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I wonder if you audio settings are the problem.
Try this...
1) Under "Options >> Preferences >> Audio" set the driver type to MME and regenerate the song.
2) That you Window audio playback is set to 16 bit, 44.1 kHz. This is accessed through Control Panel. I don't think this is the problem Noel. I had my driver set to MME already. And Audio set to 24-bit 48000 studio quality. I lowered it to the settings you suggested but nothing changed.
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Does the piano version sound like this? Piano Version of Too Late Now
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Another thing to try, is to drag the Master track radio-button to the WAV drop-zone area, then when the icon turns green, upload the corresponding output file in the \bb\DragDrop\ folder to Drop Box and send us the link to what you are hearing.
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Hi again, BIABman. The SGU file using piano RT735 sounded like it had artifacts present. I did a few things. These were... 1) In Song Settings... (a) Make sure that "Force song to simple arrangement" is off (b) Turn on "Avoid transpositions in Realtracks". (c) Set Natural Arrangements to "Enable for this song". 2) Press CTRL+F7 and make sure the "Simpler" is unchecked for the Piano Realtrack. 3) Turn off the "Auto-fix Sour Notes" (this is accessed by right-clicking on the track, and selecting "Track Settings" from the menu that pops up). 4) Unfreeze the track and regenerate the song. After I did the above, I got the below sound. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r94coa8rffzui5aau5wm5/BIABman-Too-Late-Now4-frozen_Render-Piano-735-N96.wav?rlkey=gn7ci35we2rowz3joy6awz2cd&dl=0When it came to the artifacts I was hearing, I think the "Auto-fix sour notes" was the main culprit. (I'm not 100% sure of this, though, without further testing.) I hope this helps, --Noel
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Yes! That is TOTALLY sick!
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Hi Noel,
First I want to give a big thanks for you being able to fix the problem (at your end).
The file link you gave sounds perfectly fine now.
I will now go through all the suggestions you made to see if I can fix it at my end.
Having said that, I must be honest.
Shouldn't one expect BIAB to work correctly right out of the box?
Should one need to make all of your suggestions to play a simple song as it should sound?
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Another thing to try, is to drag the Master track radio-button to the WAV drop-zone area, then when the icon turns green, upload the corresponding output file in the \bb\DragDrop\ folder to Drop Box and send us the link to what you are hearing. OK AudioTrack I have done what you suggested. Here's the file with 735 piano. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vuov8qwv73t7ouzhvlcxs/Too-Late-Now-BBCombo__Render_DragDrop.wav?rlkey=ezl99oquglcjgmnu6fkdqxxhv&dl=0Enjoy the scooping, sliding, glitching, thinness, out of phase, warbling, vibrato, sick! 
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I looked at "Too Late Now4 1040 warbling" and the cause is the "auto-fix sour notes" setting applied to the organ track. Unfreeze, right-click on track | track settings | Auto-fix sour notes | disabled, and then re-generate.
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Hi Noel, OK I followed all of your above steps and had success. I was able to eliminate all of the audio problems with the Piano 735 track. Thank you! (A chat agent copy and pasted the 'kitchen sink' at me yesterday asking me to do ridiculous things with my computer system to address the problem. Of course I didn't do any of them). Two things. First, your link that you gave had sound that was 10 times better than my fixed sound. What exactly is done to accomplish that? Does PGMusic deliberately compromise BIAB versions depending on how much money you want to dish out? Second, why can't BIAB work as it should after I type in chords and choose a style? Why should I have to come here and seek help and go through all these arcane steps just to get a song to work properly?
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I looked at "Too Late Now4 1040 warbling" and the cause is the "auto-fix sour notes" setting applied to the organ track. Unfreeze, right-click on track | track settings | Auto-fix sour notes | disabled, and then re-generate. Thanks for helping out Andrew. I disabled Auto-fix sour notes for the Organ track and it also fixed it on my computer. I prefer having organ over piano for this song. But I must say Noel's clean piano sound was something else! Andrew can you please tell me why my AmMaj7 and GmMaj7 chords aren't playing as they should? They are just either m7 or Maj7. On some regenerations I have gotten AmMaj7 and GmMaj7 chords to sound and immediately froze them so I wouldn't lose them, but those animals are rare indeed. Why is this?
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Hi BIABman. I'm pleased to read that you got things going. Shouldn't one expect BIAB to work correctly right out of the box?
Should one need to make all of your suggestions to play a simple song as it should sound? My experience is that BIAB does work correctly 99% of the time once the initial release of a new version has settled down. One of the issues will all software is that despite however much beta testing a product goes through, it is not until it is released and the millions of users around the world play with it that bugs are found. I think that music software has extra hurdles to jump because of all the various pieces of equipment and software links that are peripheral to the main piece of software. In your case, had "Auto-fix sour notes" been off (which is the default setting), things would probably have been fine. What you have discovered is a limitation (or a bug, even) associated with "Auto-fix sour notes". Andrew (from PG Music) is now aware of this and so it's something he and the development team now know about, thanks to you  --Noel
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Two things.
First, your link that you gave had sound that was 10 times better than my fixed sound.
What exactly is done to accomplish that?
Does PGMusic deliberately compromise BIAB versions depending on how much money you want to dish out?
Second, why can't BIAB work as it should after I type in chords and choose a style?
Why should I have to come here and seek help and go through all these arcane steps just to get a song to work properly? I have the Audiophile edition of the software and I had that running when I created the wav file. I think that piano is one of the Realtrack instruments that is noticeably better in the Audiophile edition of the software. I'm sorry. I should have used the wma version of the files. In this case, I'm guessing that the sound would have been very similar to yours. PG Music do not compromise versions. The Audiophile version uses 16 bit, 44.100 kHz uncompressed wav files. In other words, these files are 'CD quality' audio created from the original recordings of the Realtrack artists. With the versions of BIAB beneath the Audiophile edition, the audio files are compressed wma. As a consequence, some audio information is lost during the compressing process. Depending on the instrument, this loss of fidelity may or may not be noticeable. Matt Finley has posted an article on the differences between the wav-version and wma-versions of the program at the below link. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=378939#Post378939SECONDWhenever I start a new song, this is my process... - Select "File >> New" before selecting a style. (This loads the default chordsheet and strips it of any left-over settings that may have been part of the previous song I was working on and that I've forgotten about.)
- Go to Song Settings and disable "Natural Arrangments" for this song. (This stops BIAB from potentially changing any chords I entered.)
- In Song Settings, set the option "Avoid transposition of Realtracks" (as this helps avoid audio artifacts).
After doing the above, I load a style and enter the chords. Once I started following this sequence, creating songs became much smoother and the need to solve problems reduced. (My process is the BIAB equivalent of starting with a "new" blank document in Word and setting the tabs and fonts to those that I want to use in this document.) I hope these thoughts help. --Noel P.S. I was very lucky to have AudioTrack also working on the problem. He has a great understanding of the program, and that meant that we could try different things and cover the different possibilities faster. I'm glad everything is up and running for you now. If you are comfortable that this thread has reached the end of its journey, please click on the "Resolved" button in the original post that started the thread.
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I have the Audiophile edition of the software and I had that running when I created the wav file. I think that piano is one of the Realtrack instruments that is noticeably better in the Audiophile edition of the software. I'm sorry. I should have used the wma version of the files. In this case, I'm guessing that the sound would have been very similar to yours.
PG Music do not compromise versions. The Audiophile version uses 16 bit, 44.100 kHz uncompressed wav files. In other words, these files are 'CD quality' audio created from the original recordings of the Realtrack artists. With the versions of BIAB beneath the Audiophile edition, the audio files are compressed wma. As a consequence, some audio information is lost during the compressing process. Depending on the instrument, this loss of fidelity may or may not be noticeable. Matt Finley has posted an article on the differences between the wav-version and wma-versions of the program at the below link. Thanks Noel. Before I heard your audiophile version you sent with your link I didn't even know there was an 'audiophile' version and what it even meant. For me it was always just BIAB and pay more for more RealTracks etc. etc. I would pay the extra money to get a better sound, but disk space is a big issue for me (as I've mentioned in previous posts). And I also explained that simply buying a bigger disk drive is not going to fix the problem for me. SECONDWhenever I start a new song, this is my process... - Select "File >> New" before selecting a style. (This loads the default chordsheet and strips it of any left-over settings that may have been part of the previous song I was working on and that I've forgotten about.)
- Go to Song Settings and disable "Natural Arrangments" for this song. (This stops BIAB from potentially changing any chords I entered.)
- In Song Settings, set the option "Avoid transposition of Realtracks" (as this helps avoid audio artifacts).
After doing the above, I load a style and enter the chords. Once I started following this sequence, creating songs became much smoother and the need to solve problems reduced. (My process is the BIAB equivalent of starting with a "new" blank document in Word and setting the tabs and fonts to those that I want to use in this document.) I hope these thoughts help. --Noel Thanks for this tip. I will try to use it myself in the future. I'm surprised that you actually have to make those adjustments for every new song you start. PGMusic hasn't found a way yet in all these years to allow users to set their song setting preferences? Set it and forget it? P.S. I was very lucky to have AudioTrack also working on the problem. He has a great understanding of the program, and that meant that we could try different things and cover the different possibilities faster. I'm glad everything is up and running for you now. If you are comfortable that this thread has reached the end of its journey, please click on the "Resolved" button in the original post that started the thread. Yes we are lucky to also have had AudioTrack help out! I will click on 'Resolved'. I was just waiting for your comments first.
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I'm surprised that you actually have to make those adjustments for every new song you start. There is a global setting in Options | Preferences | Arrange. One other tip for starting new projects is to have a folder of song 'templates' that you can draw from which are just blank song files with descriptive filenames that you have set up a certain way.
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