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Garbled fish-bowl sounding track [Resolved] #801314 02/22/24 06:34 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	So I am trying to replace a RealTrack (organ) with another RealTrack. But when I replace the track in BIAB it sounds garbled, fish-bowl sounding. Sounds horrible. How is this even possible? A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801316 02/22/24 06:36 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,475 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by BIABman So I am trying to replace a RealTrack (organ) with another RealTrack. But when I replace the track in BIAB it sounds garbled, fish-bowl sounding. Sounds horrible. How is this even possible? Tease us with a bit more information. What is the name of the Style? What is the name of the RealTrack? BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801318 02/22/24 06:44 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	I am working with _JAZOR60.STY. It has just Organ and Drums as real tracks. I am trying to substitute the Organ for another organ or piano. When I audition the style they sound fine. But when I select them to play in the song (regenerate) it sounds absolutely horrible. The RealTrack I am trying to get into the song now is: 737 Piano, Acoustic A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801322 02/22/24 07:05 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,475 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by BIABman I am working with _JAZOR60.STY. It has just Organ and Drums as real tracks. I am trying to substitute the Organ for another organ or piano. When I audition the style they sound fine. But when I select them to play in the song (regenerate) it sounds absolutely horrible. The RealTrack I am trying to get into the song now is: 737 Piano, Acoustic I just tried and the piano substitute played OK here. Have you ever saved the song as an Audio file? Check the folder that the song is saved in for a WAV file with the same name. If so, rename that file, load the song again and see if it's OK. If there is a WAV file with the same name it will play alongside the song file. I loaded the demo song (the one without the solo tenor sax) and changed the Organ track to Piano as shown: BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801324 02/22/24 07:21 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by AudioTrack I just tried and the piano substitute played OK here. Have you ever saved the song as an Audio file? Check the folder that the song is saved in for a WAV file with the same name. If so, rename that file, load the song again and see if it's OK. If there is a WAV file with the same name it will play alongside the song file. I loaded the demo song (the one without the solo tenor sax) and changed the Organ track to Piano as shown: The sound is not only garbled but warbling big-time! It's absolutely horrible. I tried a vibraphone with similar results. No I don't save the song as Audio files. The only time I mess with that is when I export the tracks to Reaper. It seems every time I load BIAB to work with it, it throws a loop at me. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801326 02/22/24 07:25 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,475 Melbourne, Australia	Can you upload the BiaB song file to DropBox or similar and post a link? BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801327 02/22/24 07:37 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,956 Australia	BIABman, What you are experiencing could be audio artifacts that are related to audio compression/stretching due to using a Realtrack that wasn't designed for the tempo you need. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, so I'll explain it just in case it's not known to you. My apologies if you're already on top of this stuff. At the end of the Realtracks' names, you find numbers that a preceded by sw or EV: examples sw 060, EV 085, EV 120. The sw/EV means a swing feel or an even feel, and the numerals indicate the tempo at which the Realtrack is designed to be used. With this in mind, EV 085 means the track is an even feel and the Realtrack was created at a tempo of 85 BPM, so it is best suited to songs that are 85 BPM. My experience is that 85 BPM Realtracks are usually okay from 80 – 90 BPM songs (the –5 to +10 range). The further away from the Realtrack's creation tempo, the more likely that audio artifacts will be heard. Many organ Realtracks, have a MIDI Supertrack created from them. Because they are MIDI, these MIDI Supertracks do not issues with audio artifacts whatever tempo they are played at. These would be worth having a look at. I hope this helps, --Noel ★ a recent song of mine: Rise And Shine MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801328 02/22/24 07:39 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by AudioTrack Can you upload the BiaB song file to DropBox or similar and post a link? Try this link, it should work: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yu8crjsxzafkhy0pl84v7/Too-Late-Now4-frozen.SGU?rlkey=m5nxeow5n1ltc2nr5j9supoqy&dl=0 A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801329 02/22/24 07:47 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by Noel96 BIABman, What you are experiencing could be audio artifacts that are related to audio compression/stretching due to using a Realtrack that wasn't designed for the tempo you need. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, so I'll explain it just in case it's not known to you. My apologies if you're already on top of this stuff. At the end of the Realtracks' names, you find numbers that a preceded by sw or EV: examples sw 060, EV 085, EV 120. The sw/EV means a swing feel or an even feel, and the numerals indicate the tempo at which the Realtrack is designed to be used. With this in mind, EV 085 means the track is an even feel and the Realtrack was created at a tempo of 85 BPM, so it is best suited to songs that are 85 BPM. My experience is that 85 BPM Realtracks are usually okay from 80 – 90 BPM songs (the –5 to +10 range). The further away from the Realtrack's creation tempo, the more likely that audio artifacts will be heard. Many organ Realtracks, have a MIDI Supertrack created from them. Because they are MIDI, these MIDI Supertracks do not issues with audio artifacts whatever tempo they are played at. These would be worth having a look at. I hope this helps, --Noel Thanks for helping out Noel. Yes I am aware of the tempo marking in the track names. I deliberately searched for organ/piano/vibe tracks in the 60 beats area. I don't think this is the problem. I'll investigate Supertracks if I can figure out how. But honestly, I paid for the UltraPak to get access to RealTracks. They aren't working as they should be. Even the original organ was having drop-out issues, that I hadn't even previously mentioned. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801332 02/22/24 08:14 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,956 Australia	The wav file below is a render of one chorus of your song file. This is how it sounds using the Audiophile version of the program. How does that compare to what you are hearing? https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ql831trx5kmivq2gbz973/BIABman-Too-Late-Now4-frozen_Render-N96.wav?rlkey=flbd341yow92cnzd0zvsvq769&dl=0 --Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801336 02/22/24 08:54 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,475 Melbourne, Australia	Similar to Noel's testing, this is what it sounds like from a non-Audiophile version running on a fairly cheap laptop with just the internal audio drivers. I don't hear any 'garbled fish-bowl sounding track'. Is this the same or different to what you are experiencing? TooLateNow_LaptopRender BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801337 02/22/24 09:07 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by Noel96 The wav file below is a render of one chorus of your song file. This is how it sounds using the Audiophile version of the program. How does that compare to what you are hearing? https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ql831trx5kmivq2gbz973/BIABman-Too-Late-Now4-frozen_Render-N96.wav?rlkey=flbd341yow92cnzd0zvsvq769&dl=0 --Noel Thanks Noel. Your version sounds totally different to mine. Could you please explain why? By the way there are two issues here. My original had warbling issues which are gone in your version. It's when I started to replace the organ with other organs/piano/vibes etc. that I got really garbled fish-bowl sounding tracks. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801339 02/22/24 09:15 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by AudioTrack Similar to Noel's testing, this is what it sounds like from a non-Audiophile version running on a fairly cheap laptop with just the internal audio drivers. I don't hear any 'garbled fish-bowl sounding track'. Is this the same or different to what you are experiencing? TooLateNow_LaptopRender Thanks Audio Track. As I just wrote to Noel there are two issues. His and your versions have not swapped the original organ yet. It's when I started swapping the organ that things really got bad. But your version is playing like the one I sent you guys (like mine). I hope you can hear the big difference between Noel's and yours! A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801340 02/22/24 09:19 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,475 Melbourne, Australia	So just to clarify, the version you sent for us to try is OK and does not contain the changed track that causes the problem? If that's correct, could you upload the SGU file that does contain the garbled sounds? Presumably that will be the one with the swapped organ track? Last edited by AudioTrack; 02/22/24 09:22 PM. BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801343 02/22/24 09:32 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by AudioTrack So just to clarify, the version you sent for us to try is OK and does not contain the changed track that causes the problem? If that's correct, could you upload the SGU file that does contain the garbled sounds? Presumably that will be the one with the swapped organ track? Well almost right. Correct it doesn't contain the changed, problem track. I thought you guys would do that. BUT... the organ on your .wav version sounds the same as mine. Which still has warbling issues, which I never was fond of. Surely you can hear the difference between yours and Noel's? I'll try to set up the tracks with all the problems and freeze them to send. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801344 02/22/24 09:33 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,956 Australia	I wonder if you audio settings are the problem. Try this... 1) Under "Options >> Preferences >> Audio" set the driver type to MME and regenerate the song. 2) That you Window audio playback is set to 16 bit, 44.1 kHz. This is accessed through Control Panel. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801346 02/22/24 09:40 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,475 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by BIABman Surely you can hear the difference between yours and Noel's? Yes, I definitely hear a difference, which I also expect. Noel is using Audiophile, and no doubt is also using much more superior sound equipment than my very basic laptop setup that currently I only have available to try to help. BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801347 02/22/24 09:48 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,956 Australia	The only warbling that I hear in AudioTrack's file is due the B3's rotating Leslie speaker. This has two speeds, fast and slow. Unfortunately, there is no control over this effect. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801348 02/22/24 09:52 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by Noel96 The only warbling that I hear in AudioTrack's file is due the B3's rotating Leslie speaker. This has two speeds, fast and slow. Unfortunately, there is no control over this effect. Huh? You guys have the same file. Why isn't yours giving the B3's rotating sound then? A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801349 02/22/24 10:00 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	OK here are two files. One with the organ swapped to 1040 Organ. One with the organ swapped to 735 Piano. Both are pretty sick sounding. I have frozen the tracks. It will be interesting to learn what you guys hear on your systems. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/v69uuoj2flaih6suoqprb/Too-Late-Now4-1040-warbling.SGU?rlkey=ggmg1h8nlb64qkn18t5voxaa5&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k7sr0jc31we8moouxrsca/Too-Late-Now4-735-piano-warbling-sick.SGU?rlkey=gisprt9qt67me6sn6mk6n9tgx&dl=0 A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801350 02/22/24 10:02 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by Noel96 I wonder if you audio settings are the problem. Try this... 1) Under "Options >> Preferences >> Audio" set the driver type to MME and regenerate the song. 2) That you Window audio playback is set to 16 bit, 44.1 kHz. This is accessed through Control Panel. I don't think this is the problem Noel. I had my driver set to MME already. And Audio set to 24-bit 48000 studio quality. I lowered it to the settings you suggested but nothing changed. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801364 02/22/24 11:06 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,475 Melbourne, Australia	Does the piano version sound like this? Piano Version of Too Late Now BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801368 02/22/24 11:26 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,475 Melbourne, Australia	Another thing to try, is to drag the Master track radio-button to the WAV drop-zone area, then when the icon turns green, upload the corresponding output file in the \bb\DragDrop\ folder to Drop Box and send us the link to what you are hearing. BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801391 02/23/24 06:11 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,956 Australia	Hi again, BIABman. The SGU file using piano RT735 sounded like it had artifacts present. I did a few things. These were... 1) In Song Settings... (a) Make sure that "Force song to simple arrangement" is off (b) Turn on "Avoid transpositions in Realtracks". (c) Set Natural Arrangements to "Enable for this song". 2) Press CTRL+F7 and make sure the "Simpler" is unchecked for the Piano Realtrack. 3) Turn off the "Auto-fix Sour Notes" (this is accessed by right-clicking on the track, and selecting "Track Settings" from the menu that pops up). 4) Unfreeze the track and regenerate the song. After I did the above, I got the below sound. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r94coa8rffzui5aau5wm5/BIABman-Too-Late-Now4-frozen_Render-Piano-735-N96.wav?rlkey=gn7ci35we2rowz3joy6awz2cd&dl=0 When it came to the artifacts I was hearing, I think the "Auto-fix sour notes" was the main culprit. (I'm not 100% sure of this, though, without further testing.) I hope this helps, --Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801452 02/23/24 01:38 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by AudioTrack Does the piano version sound like this? Piano Version of Too Late Now Yes! That is TOTALLY sick! A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801453 02/23/24 01:46 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Hi Noel, First I want to give a big thanks for you being able to fix the problem (at your end). The file link you gave sounds perfectly fine now. I will now go through all the suggestions you made to see if I can fix it at my end. Having said that, I must be honest. Shouldn't one expect BIAB to work correctly right out of the box? Should one need to make all of your suggestions to play a simple song as it should sound? A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801470 02/23/24 03:11 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by AudioTrack Another thing to try, is to drag the Master track radio-button to the WAV drop-zone area, then when the icon turns green, upload the corresponding output file in the \bb\DragDrop\ folder to Drop Box and send us the link to what you are hearing. OK AudioTrack I have done what you suggested. Here's the file with 735 piano. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vuov8qwv73t7ouzhvlcxs/Too-Late-Now-BBCombo__Render_DragDrop.wav?rlkey=ezl99oquglcjgmnu6fkdqxxhv&dl=0 Enjoy the scooping, sliding, glitching, thinness, out of phase, warbling, vibrato, sick! A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801480 02/23/24 03:45 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: May 2002 Posts: 6,975 Victoria, BC	I looked at "Too Late Now4 1040 warbling" and the cause is the "auto-fix sour notes" setting applied to the organ track. Unfreeze, right-click on track \| track settings \| Auto-fix sour notes \| disabled, and then re-generate. Andrew PG Music Inc.

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801481 02/23/24 03:47 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by Noel96 ,,, After I did the above, I got the below sound. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r94coa8rffzui5aau5wm5/BIABman-Too-Late-Now4-frozen_Render-Piano-735-N96.wav?rlkey=gn7ci35we2rowz3joy6awz2cd&dl=0 When it came to the artifacts I was hearing, I think the "Auto-fix sour notes" was the main culprit. (I'm not 100% sure of this, though, without further testing.) I hope this helps, --Noel Hi Noel, OK I followed all of your above steps and had success. I was able to eliminate all of the audio problems with the Piano 735 track. Thank you! (A chat agent copy and pasted the 'kitchen sink' at me yesterday asking me to do ridiculous things with my computer system to address the problem. Of course I didn't do any of them). Two things. First, your link that you gave had sound that was 10 times better than my fixed sound. What exactly is done to accomplish that? Does PGMusic deliberately compromise BIAB versions depending on how much money you want to dish out? Second, why can't BIAB work as it should after I type in chords and choose a style? Why should I have to come here and seek help and go through all these arcane steps just to get a song to work properly? A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Andrew - PG Music #801484 02/23/24 03:58 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by Andrew - PG Music I looked at "Too Late Now4 1040 warbling" and the cause is the "auto-fix sour notes" setting applied to the organ track. Unfreeze, right-click on track \| track settings \| Auto-fix sour notes \| disabled, and then re-generate. Thanks for helping out Andrew. I disabled Auto-fix sour notes for the Organ track and it also fixed it on my computer. I prefer having organ over piano for this song. But I must say Noel's clean piano sound was something else! Andrew can you please tell me why my AmMaj7 and GmMaj7 chords aren't playing as they should? They are just either m7 or Maj7. On some regenerations I have gotten AmMaj7 and GmMaj7 chords to sound and immediately froze them so I wouldn't lose them, but those animals are rare indeed. Why is this? A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801512 02/23/24 05:55 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,956 Australia	Hi BIABman. I'm pleased to read that you got things going. Originally Posted by BIABman Shouldn't one expect BIAB to work correctly right out of the box? Should one need to make all of your suggestions to play a simple song as it should sound? My experience is that BIAB does work correctly 99% of the time once the initial release of a new version has settled down. One of the issues will all software is that despite however much beta testing a product goes through, it is not until it is released and the millions of users around the world play with it that bugs are found. I think that music software has extra hurdles to jump because of all the various pieces of equipment and software links that are peripheral to the main piece of software. In your case, had "Auto-fix sour notes" been off (which is the default setting), things would probably have been fine. What you have discovered is a limitation (or a bug, even) associated with "Auto-fix sour notes". Andrew (from PG Music) is now aware of this and so it's something he and the development team now know about, thanks to you --Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801513 02/23/24 06:02 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,956 Australia	Originally Posted by BIABman Two things. First, your link that you gave had sound that was 10 times better than my fixed sound. What exactly is done to accomplish that? Does PGMusic deliberately compromise BIAB versions depending on how much money you want to dish out? Second, why can't BIAB work as it should after I type in chords and choose a style? Why should I have to come here and seek help and go through all these arcane steps just to get a song to work properly? FIRST I have the Audiophile edition of the software and I had that running when I created the wav file. I think that piano is one of the Realtrack instruments that is noticeably better in the Audiophile edition of the software. I'm sorry. I should have used the wma version of the files. In this case, I'm guessing that the sound would have been very similar to yours. PG Music do not compromise versions. The Audiophile version uses 16 bit, 44.100 kHz uncompressed wav files. In other words, these files are 'CD quality' audio created from the original recordings of the Realtrack artists. With the versions of BIAB beneath the Audiophile edition, the audio files are compressed wma. As a consequence, some audio information is lost during the compressing process. Depending on the instrument, this loss of fidelity may or may not be noticeable. Matt Finley has posted an article on the differences between the wav-version and wma-versions of the program at the below link. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=378939#Post378939 SECOND Whenever I start a new song, this is my process... Select "File >> New" before selecting a style. (This loads the default chordsheet and strips it of any left-over settings that may have been part of the previous song I was working on and that I've forgotten about.) Go to Song Settings and disable "Natural Arrangments" for this song. (This stops BIAB from potentially changing any chords I entered.) In Song Settings, set the option "Avoid transposition of Realtracks" (as this helps avoid audio artifacts). After doing the above, I load a style and enter the chords. Once I started following this sequence, creating songs became much smoother and the need to solve problems reduced. (My process is the BIAB equivalent of starting with a "new" blank document in Word and setting the tabs and fonts to those that I want to use in this document.) I hope these thoughts help. --Noel P.S. I was very lucky to have AudioTrack also working on the problem. He has a great understanding of the program, and that meant that we could try different things and cover the different possibilities faster. I'm glad everything is up and running for you now. If you are comfortable that this thread has reached the end of its journey, please click on the "Resolved" button in the original post that started the thread. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801514 02/23/24 06:35 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by Noel96 FIRST I have the Audiophile edition of the software and I had that running when I created the wav file. I think that piano is one of the Realtrack instruments that is noticeably better in the Audiophile edition of the software. I'm sorry. I should have used the wma version of the files. In this case, I'm guessing that the sound would have been very similar to yours. PG Music do not compromise versions. The Audiophile version uses 16 bit, 44.100 kHz uncompressed wav files. In other words, these files are 'CD quality' audio created from the original recordings of the Realtrack artists. With the versions of BIAB beneath the Audiophile edition, the audio files are compressed wma. As a consequence, some audio information is lost during the compressing process. Depending on the instrument, this loss of fidelity may or may not be noticeable. Matt Finley has posted an article on the differences between the wav-version and wma-versions of the program at the below link. Thanks Noel. Before I heard your audiophile version you sent with your link I didn't even know there was an 'audiophile' version and what it even meant. For me it was always just BIAB and pay more for more RealTracks etc. etc. I would pay the extra money to get a better sound, but disk space is a big issue for me (as I've mentioned in previous posts). And I also explained that simply buying a bigger disk drive is not going to fix the problem for me. Quote SECOND Whenever I start a new song, this is my process... Select "File >> New" before selecting a style. (This loads the default chordsheet and strips it of any left-over settings that may have been part of the previous song I was working on and that I've forgotten about.) Go to Song Settings and disable "Natural Arrangments" for this song. (This stops BIAB from potentially changing any chords I entered.) In Song Settings, set the option "Avoid transposition of Realtracks" (as this helps avoid audio artifacts). After doing the above, I load a style and enter the chords. Once I started following this sequence, creating songs became much smoother and the need to solve problems reduced. (My process is the BIAB equivalent of starting with a "new" blank document in Word and setting the tabs and fonts to those that I want to use in this document.) I hope these thoughts help. --Noel Thanks for this tip. I will try to use it myself in the future. I'm surprised that you actually have to make those adjustments for every new song you start. PGMusic hasn't found a way yet in all these years to allow users to set their song setting preferences? Set it and forget it? Quote P.S. I was very lucky to have AudioTrack also working on the problem. He has a great understanding of the program, and that meant that we could try different things and cover the different possibilities faster. I'm glad everything is up and running for you now. If you are comfortable that this thread has reached the end of its journey, please click on the "Resolved" button in the original post that started the thread. Yes we are lucky to also have had AudioTrack help out! I will click on 'Resolved'. I was just waiting for your comments first. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801830 02/26/24 04:22 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: May 2002 Posts: 6,975 Victoria, BC	Originally Posted by BIABman I'm surprised that you actually have to make those adjustments for every new song you start. There is a global setting in Options \| Preferences \| Arrange. One other tip for starting new projects is to have a folder of song 'templates' that you can draw from which are just blank song files with descriptive filenames that you have set up a certain way. Andrew PG Music Inc.

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