I thought I would move it from here:

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=246092#Post246092

as this deserves some more attention.

Somewhere back several years ago BIAB load time increased dramatically. No one seemed to notice. Many of us are running SD drives and it was manageable. However, with a recent update the load time had apparently been reduced. The claim was 20% but my experience saw a much more dramatic reduction, from all most a minute to 5 - 10 secs. I was thrilled and mentioned this in the forum. But alas for no apparent reason the load time has again increased. Actually it is inconsistent. Two days ago on my Surface it was 5 secs (wow), today 40 secs.

There must be a fix to this.

To find out exactly what your boot times are, we added a reporting function in BiaB 2014 Build 381.

Do the menu action [main menu] [help] [display log of yellow/green messages]

You will see lines like this:

- Bootup time in milliseconds =11,336 [4/1/2014 8:38:34 AM]

That means it took 11 seconds to bootup. So please search through that log, and post several entries.
Note that this is the time from when BiaB first gets control of the program to when its finished booting and drawn everything. So if there was a problem before that (such as a virus checker blocking things, then the bootup time would be listed as shorter than it really was, since the time we display is when we first get control of the program.

Once we get some data from people, we can work on finding out what is causing a boot delay from some people.

Cool, here is from my Surface:

From 6 sec to 57 secs, you can see why I am concerned!

- Bootup time in millseconds =7,428 [4/1/2014 10:51:34 AM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 10:51:34 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =57,168 [4/1/2014 9:31:24 AM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 9:31:24 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,279 [3/31/2014 2:10:36 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 2:10:36 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =6,275 [3/31/2014 1:26:05 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 1:26:05 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =31,336 [3/31/2014 1:22:59 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 1:22:59 PM

I tweaked my MSE antivurus to ignore the BIAB program (BBW.EXE) and that dramatically improved my time. Maybe look at something like that.

- Bootup time in millseconds =19,741 [4/1/2014 11:47:16 AM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 11:47:16 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =44,389 [4/1/2014 7:40:26 AM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 7:40:26 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =24,170 [3/31/2014 1:38:28 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,318 [3/30/2014 8:04:17 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 8:04:17 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,260 [3/30/2014 12:37:20 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 12:37:20 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =16,354 [3/30/2014 12:02:19 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =47,084 [3/26/2014 11:04:10 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/26/2014 11:04:10 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =47,300 [3/22/2014 7:31:22 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/22/2014 7:31:22 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =46,735 [3/21/2014 11:24:29 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =13,951 [3/18/2014 10:42:27 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =19,036 [3/18/2014 10:37:34 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/18/2014 10:37:34 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,116 [3/17/2014 9:41:28 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/17/2014 9:41:28 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =13,724 [3/17/2014 9:35:27 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/17/2014 9:35:27 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =18,262 [3/17/2014 9:35:02 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/17/2014 9:35:02 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =13,677 [3/16/2014 1:19:17 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/16/2014 1:19:17 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =13,608 [3/16/2014 1:16:50 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/16/2014 1:16:50 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =42,394 [3/16/2014 9:16:08 AM]

This happens to be one evening.
Note initial boot time at bottom for that day.

- Bootup time in millseconds =8,338 [3/20/2014 9:31:17 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/20/2014 9:31:17 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,195 [3/20/2014 8:46:33 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/20/2014 8:46:33 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,151 [3/20/2014 8:05:38 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/20/2014 8:05:38 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,163 [3/20/2014 6:51:48 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/20/2014 6:51:48 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =22,834 [3/20/2014 6:40:00 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/20/2014 6:40:00 PM

Thanks folks!

Start-up time is the most when I open BIAB for the first time of the day. When I close and re-open it's a lot faster.

Here are my most recent bootup logs. Seven seconds seems to be the norm, with an occasional 11-12.

My system takes longer upon the first start of BIAB after a reboot than does a restart. The first entry (today) is an example of this.

Note that I use a SSD boot drive that has the /BB folder (though the RealTracks and RealDrums are on another drive, a regular hard drive).

- Bootup time in millseconds =12,652 [4/1/2014 1:11:42 PM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 1:11:42 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,005 [3/27/2014 12:02:19 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/27/2014 12:02:19 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =6,758 [3/26/2014 11:56:53 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/26/2014 11:56:53 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =6,994 [3/22/2014 6:58:40 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/22/2014 6:58:40 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =11,340 [3/22/2014 3:57:42 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/22/2014 3:57:42 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,003 [3/21/2014 4:13:37 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/21/2014 4:13:37 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,399 [3/18/2014 5:21:11 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/18/2014 5:21:11 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,138 [3/17/2014 11:38:55 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/17/2014 11:38:55 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,443 [3/17/2014 11:23:29 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/17/2014 11:23:29 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =12,888 [3/17/2014 11:12:48 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/17/2014 11:12:48 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,224 [3/15/2014 3:33:07 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/15/2014 3:33:07 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,136 [3/15/2014 3:06:39 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/15/2014 3:06:39 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =23,620 [3/14/2014 4:56:34 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/14/2014 4:56:34 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,314 [3/13/2014 6:54:54 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/13/2014 6:54:54 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =6,992 [3/12/2014 2:37:03 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/12/2014 2:37:03 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,242 [3/12/2014 2:20:40 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/12/2014 2:20:40 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =11,630 [3/12/2014 2:19:38 PM]

This is on a 10 year old XP machine. I'm impressed!!

- Bootup time in millseconds =8,835 [4/1/2014 1:12:38 PM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 1:12:38 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =10,054 [4/1/2014 11:42:18 AM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 11:42:18 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,176 [4/1/2014 11:17:10 AM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 11:17:10 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,326 [4/1/2014 11:11:31 AM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 11:11:31 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =11,576 [3/31/2014 6:45:04 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 6:45:04 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,480 [3/30/2014 2:36:37 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 2:36:37 PM

and on 6 y/o Vista
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,798 [4/1/2014 2:51:16 PM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 2:51:16 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =6,723 [3/31/2014 2:10:28 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 2:10:28 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,007 [3/31/2014 2:07:33 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 2:07:33 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,998 [3/30/2014 4:32:19 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 4:32:19 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =6,015 [3/30/2014 11:02:14 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 11:02:14 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =6,179 [3/30/2014 10:34:30 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 10:34:30 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =6,158 [3/29/2014 8:47:17 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/29/2014 8:47:17 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,995 [3/29/2014 8:43:58 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/29/2014 8:43:58 PM

Startup times all over the shop, from ~5 to ~20 secs

Stats:

- Bootup time in millseconds =5,718 [02-Apr-14 06:25:59 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =17,884 [02-Apr-14 06:24:20 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,499 [28-Mar-14 02:23:22 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =16,430 [28-Mar-14 05:54:37 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,557 [25-Mar-14 09:13:07 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,240 [25-Mar-14 03:09:38 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =14,524 [24-Mar-14 11:17:51 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =37,986 [23-Mar-14 10:05:21 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,967 [22-Mar-14 03:40:28 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,937 [22-Mar-14 01:31:10 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,637 [22-Mar-14 12:58:00 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,265 [22-Mar-14 11:40:57 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =17,904 [22-Mar-14 11:23:34 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =13,137 [21-Mar-14 06:25:55 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,150 [20-Mar-14 04:20:07 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =13,020 [20-Mar-14 02:16:08 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =11,021 [17-Mar-14 12:20:12 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,092 [16-Mar-14 02:10:41 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =15,043 [16-Mar-14 10:46:15 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =10,453 [15-Mar-14 01:26:31 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,004 [14-Mar-14 11:13:18 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =19,965 [14-Mar-14 07:22:53 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,450 [12-Mar-14 11:33:54 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,326 [12-Mar-14 06:26:16 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =15,011 [12-Mar-14 06:00:55 AM]

Intel core i7 3.2GHz
12Gb RAM
Always faster after restart, probably because of Windows Cache
Just doing a single launch of the application, no song loaded etc shows a lot of I/O:

- Bootup time in millseconds =23,901 [1-4-2014 21:48:35]
**** New Session started at : 1-4-2014 21:48:35
- Running Windows Notepad.exe to display file C:\bb\Data\FlashMessageLog.txt [1-4-2014 18:53:25]
- Bootup time in millseconds =22,493 [1-4-2014 18:53:16]
**** New Session started at : 1-4-2014 18:53:16
- Running Windows Notepad.exe to display file C:\bb\Data\FlashMessageLog.txt [1-4-2014 18:49:42]
- Bootup time in millseconds =22,839 [1-4-2014 17:35:36]
**** New Session started at : 1-4-2014 17:35:36

- Bootup time in millseconds =42,026 [1-4-2014 12:52:47]
**** New Session started at : 1-4-2014 12:52:47
- Bootup time in millseconds =21,903 [31-3-2014 17:43:49]
**** New Session started at : 31-3-2014 17:43:49

- Bootup time in millseconds =22,063 [31-3-2014 15:58:52]
**** New Session started at : 31-3-2014 15:58:52
- Bootup time in millseconds =37,630 [31-3-2014 11:44:15]
**** New Session started at : 31-3-2014 11:44:15
- Bootup time in millseconds =28,348 [30-3-2014 22:02:48]
**** New Session started at : 30-3-2014 22:02:48

My mean and standard deviation looks to be the worst!! Why me?? I hope this can be fixed I hate long load times and my entire working career I have tried to reduce variance (SD^2).

FWIW: I've noticed the incredible number of IO reads too. No other program I use (e.g., Adobe Premiere, Lightroom, or Photoshop, or Cakewalk Sonar X1) takes nearly as long to launch as BIAB. As others have noted, relaunching BIAB results in a much faster time.

Seems BIAB loads a huge number of files it doesn't really need to minimally operate before displaying the chord window. I think old Windows operating system did something similar years ago. MS got around that by changing the series of events, such that the OP displayed the splash and login screens sooner, while the OP continued to load files. Maybe BIAB could do something similar? Seems like a simple programming solution, but I'm no programmer.

Bob

It's hard to discern any pattern from these numbers, but I hope the reporting of same helps PG Music. I can see why several of you are frustrated. We haven't heard from rharv yet; it might be his fault.

Those with horrible load times, try disabling your antivirus.

switching on my keyboard and my (usb) soundcard before starting band in a box seems to reduce my loading time with 50 %

Not bad, actually:

- Bootup time in millseconds =6,771 [4/2/2014 2:17:26 PM]
**** New Session started at : 4/2/2014 2:17:26 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,154 [3/29/2014 1:05:37 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/29/2014 1:05:37 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,144 [3/29/2014 1:04:16 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/29/2014 12:32:11 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,156 [3/29/2014 12:28:10 AM]
**** New Session started at : 3/29/2014 12:28:10 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,181 [3/28/2014 11:42:40 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/28/2014 11:42:40 PM

WIN 8.1 64 Bit RAM 8GB

The load-up time is also impacted by what soft synths are present on the various tracks. For example, if Sampletank is present on a track when BIAB loads, the time increases noticeably.

Peter specifically said this reported time is related only to BIAB and starts only when it has grabbed all the files. So it should not be dependent on any AV scanning. But it is a good idea anyway and I did just this long ago.

My computer has 1.84 Dual Core Celeron processor, 2 GB of DDR2 memory, 80GB main drive, 1TB secondary drive and Windows XP. BIAB 2014 Build 381.

Avast antivirus program is programmed to ignore my music programs. Below are the boot-up times.

- Bootup time in millseconds =56,210 [4/2/2014 5:56:42 PM]
**** New Session started at : 4/2/2014 5:56:42 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,202 [3/31/2014 8:57:30 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 8:57:30 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,840 [3/31/2014 6:52:22 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 6:52:22 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,924 [3/31/2014 6:38:48 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 6:38:48 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,174 [3/31/2014 6:34:49 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 6:34:49 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =20,611 [3/31/2014 6:10:13 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 6:10:13 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =27,880 [3/31/2014 5:12:40 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/31/2014 5:12:40 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,279 [3/30/2014 7:45:18 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 7:45:18 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,194 [3/30/2014 7:32:55 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 7:32:55 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,355 [3/30/2014 7:22:38 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 7:22:38 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,106 [3/30/2014 6:42:50 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 6:42:50 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =25,007 [3/30/2014 6:38:23 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/30/2014 6:38:23 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =58,253 [3/29/2014 8:57:57 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/29/2014 8:57:57 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =36,979 [3/29/2014 8:37:45 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/29/2014 8:37:45 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,415 [3/25/2014 6:36:55 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/25/2014 6:36:55 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =29,052 [3/25/2014 6:20:26 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/25/2014 6:20:26 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,277 [3/24/2014 9:55:26 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/24/2014 9:55:26 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,924 [3/24/2014 9:34:59 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/24/2014 9:34:59 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =34,989 [3/24/2014 9:27:54 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/24/2014 9:27:54 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =56,724 [3/17/2014 6:10:37 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/17/2014 6:10:37 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =35,372 [3/16/2014 9:24:43 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/16/2014 9:24:43 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =48,318 [3/15/2014 8:49:42 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/15/2014 8:49:42 PM

Here is my Home DAW - this machine is huge... and load time sucks.

- Bootup time in millseconds =18,438 [4/2/2014 5:15:34 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =12,447 [4/1/2014 5:42:29 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =13,365 [4/1/2014 12:23:20 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =48,456 [3/31/2014 7:34:53 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =37,001 [3/30/2014 10:07:00 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =18,588 [3/22/2014 8:03:04 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =35,246 [3/19/2014 5:49:06 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =6,309 [3/16/2014 10:45:46 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =34,832 [3/16/2014 10:38:24 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,967 [3/15/2014 3:27:59 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,985 [3/15/2014 12:25:40 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,932 [3/15/2014 9:45:39 AM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =51,112 [3/15/2014 8:16:13 AM

Dan,

When BIAB boots up, do you have special settings such as "at boot up 'open previous song'"?

Noel

Here's the most recent load times for my system, submitted to balance out the reporting. All the recorded times are within 1 second of the fastest loading of 4.5 seconds.

That's the what - don't know why.

- Bootup time in millseconds =4,500 [4/2/2014 11:51:43 PM]
**** New Session started at : 4/2/2014 11:51:43 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =4,719 [4/2/2014 11:40:44 PM]
**** New Session started at : 4/2/2014 11:40:44 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =4,958 [4/1/2014 11:27:19 PM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 11:27:19 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,059 [4/1/2014 12:01:20 AM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 12:01:20 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =4,988 [3/30/2014 11:29:11 PM]

Seems pretty fast. BIAB resides on a plain Jane hard drive, but is kept defragged and optimized. Nothing unusual on the set up - i7; 16 GB ram; Windows 7.

A side note: The 'yellow box' report log is very interesting in itself. Thanks for reminding me of its existence.

John E.

I do.

Bit late to the Party but here are my results. Not impressive. It HAS got this bad since the upgrade from 2013. Prior to it, I would be able to boot up to a useable screen in under 10 secs.
- Bootup time in millseconds =36,779 [03/04/2014 09:50:36]
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,881 [01/04/2014 14:34:51]
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,859 [01/04/2014 13:31:37]
- Bootup time in millseconds =34,479 [01/04/2014 13:28:58]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,201 [31/03/2014 21:58:39]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,304 [31/03/2014 19:34:46]
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,931 [31/03/2014 17:57:16]
- Bootup time in millseconds =32,693 [31/03/2014 16:34:51]
- Bootup time in millseconds =10,665 [26/03/2014 10:59:35]
- Bootup time in millseconds =32,268 [25/03/2014 10:09:11]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,222 [24/03/2014 21:43:08]
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,735 [24/03/2014 20:40:27]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,586 [24/03/2014 20:35:17]
- Bootup time in millseconds =32,510 [24/03/2014 11:33:06]
- Bootup time in millseconds =32,699 [23/03/2014 20:04:45]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,202 [19/03/2014 20:01:10]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,238 [19/03/2014 19:56:24]
- Bootup time in millseconds =25,400 [19/03/2014 19:46:48]
- Bootup time in millseconds =34,385 [19/03/2014 12:05:56]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,225 [18/03/2014 21:01:56]
- Bootup time in millseconds =32,905 [18/03/2014 20:58:20]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,296 [17/03/2014 20:53:40]
- Bootup time in millseconds =34,460 [17/03/2014 18:59:06]
- Bootup time in millseconds =34,692 [17/03/2014 10:18:14]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,407 [13/03/2014 21:03:53]
- Bootup time in millseconds =35,100 [13/03/2014 20:57:13]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,821 [12/03/2014 19:53:57]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,169 [12/03/2014 16:38:43]
- Bootup time in millseconds =13,124 [12/03/2014 16:38:15]

Seems to me to be the first Boot up of the day that is long. Provided I keep the PC running, later BB bootups are in the 8 - 10 sec region.

cheers
ian

PG,
In my effort to keep this flame burning...

I would be pleased to offer my service to beta test an upgrade patch to resolve this mystery. I have BIAB running on both a Win7 and Win8 machine and am experiencing some of the longest boot times and the broadest variablity reported on both of them.

I can tell you my evaulation as a beta tester will get my highest priority.

hehe, hope I am not being presumptuous!

I don't, always starts up as new 'blank' song, yet there is significant variance in the boot time.

Y'all should consider yourselves lucky....

- Bootup time in millseconds =36,212 [4/3/2014 10:14:11 AM]
**** New Session started at : 4/3/2014 10:14:11 AM
- Bootup time in millseconds =61,266 [4/1/2014 12:09:30 PM]
**** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 12:09:30 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =36,294 [3/27/2014 1:05:08 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/27/2014 1:05:08 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =50,934 [3/18/2014 6:43:25 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/18/2014 6:43:25 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =58,278 [3/14/2014 8:19:42 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/14/2014 8:19:42 PM
- Bootup time in millseconds =62,001 [3/14/2014 3:26:06 PM]
**** New Session started at : 3/14/2014 3:26:06 PM


I leave it open for long periods (I'm always working on something).
More annoying for me is the time it takes to "get back to work" after dropping a rendered track to a folder - returning to biab, there is the Windows "spin icon" for several minutes - like it's doing the render again.... That being said... I love the program - I could not live without it at this point... so I am content to bide my time - what's a few seconds wait - considering what I get in return...

I remember when Sampletank was first provided those with big ST libraries were reporting long load times. Somebody said that there is a setting in ST that tells it which libraries to load and which not to load. If any song that is loaded on bootup has even one of the new PG supertracks that uses a ST patch then ST will load everything. One of my projects I haven't gotten around to yet is to figure out how to tell ST what to load and what to ignore on boot up and then test the boot times.

I'm too busy at work for the next few weeks to mess with this but it could be something for you guys to look at.

Bob

Accidently hit the close button so immediately had to reopen.

- Bootup time in millseconds =7,733 [4/3/2014 3:34:49 PM]

- Bootup time in millseconds =72,483 [4/3/2014 3:34:17 PM]

Ok, here are mine:

- Bootup time in millseconds =36,706 [4/3/2014 6:55:30 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =43,763 [4/1/2014 5:42:13 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =47,272 [3/31/2014 6:09:36 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =40,442 [3/27/2014 6:24:21 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =40,629 [3/26/2014 6:48:16 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =35,817 [3/25/2014 6:25:03 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =42,901 [3/24/2014 7:20:35 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =49,731 [3/23/2014 6:36:27 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,135 [3/20/2014 7:40:56 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,144 [3/20/2014 7:39:33 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,151 [3/20/2014 7:37:39 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,155 [3/20/2014 7:29:38 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =13,236 [3/20/2014 7:13:09 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =41,519 [3/20/2014 6:21:51 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =5,092 [3/17/2014 8:12:10 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =21,697 [3/17/2014 6:07:41 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =41,262 [3/16/2014 5:56:54 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =42,647 [3/15/2014 7:22:18 PM]

As noted earlier, relaunching BIAB results in significant reduced start time.

Bob

Now that a wide range of start times has been established, I wonder if PG Music needs other info?

Yes, all they have to do now is ask.

Regarding antivirus and the lag --

I excluded the BB: folder from MSE protection, and it made quite a difference. Look below:

- Bootup time in millseconds =8,995 [4/4/2014 7:10:10 PM]
- Bootup time in millseconds =36,706 [4/3/2014 6:55:30 PM]

April 3rd (lower listing) was prior to exclusion @37 seconds, while it only took 9 seconds when MSE didn't scan the BB: folder.

After excluding BBW.exe:
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,387 [4/5/2014 9:11:35 AM]

FWIW.

Bob

Try excluding the BBW.EXE process as well.

OK, turns out I did not have these excluded. So when I do:

After Excluding:
Bootup time in millseconds =7,445 [4/4/2014 8:23:08 PM]

Before Excluding
- Bootup time in millseconds =36,327 [4/4/2014 5:54:52 PM]

We have seen the faster second loads in the past. Given that I rarely turnoff this machine I didn't think this could really be a factor. Time will now tell if the AV exclusion (the whole c:\bb folder) really helps.

Its the next day now, and the machine has not been turned off:

Bootup time in millseconds =6,227 [4/5/2014 8:10:58 AM]

Now for the test. I am going to shut down the machine and restart.

- Bootup time in millseconds =14,651 [4/5/2014 8:16:33 AM]

Still some large variation going on, but the magnitude of the time appears to be significantly decreased by excluding the c:\bb folder from AV scanning during startup.

Yes. Excluding BBW.exe reduced startup by 1.5 seconds (see my edited post).

Bob

Hi Bob

I'm interested if that start-up time without the MSE scan is consistent over multiple starts, including after computer reboots. Many other users (myself included) got wide-ranging start-up times with the A/V scan included.

Thanks
Trevor

Hi Trevor:
I launched BIAB again this evening and got this:
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,059 [4/5/2014 5:08:49 PM]
That's pretty close to my earlier startup with MSE excluding bbw.exe. Obviously, not enough samples for statistical significance, but the similarity suggests that excluding bbw.exe from antivirus probing may be the way to go.

Bob

I don't have that option on my latest mac BIAB version to check load speed....but this week I bumped my 2011 iMac up to 32g RAM and everything is flying. I can re-gen and render much quicker. In fact, I loaded every memory intensive program I have, Logic Pro X, BIAB, Amadaeus, iTunes, Pages, iMovie, Safari and 4 photo editing programs -- and the result was a usage of "only" 10g and I could detect no slow down on any operations. I can render a track from BIAB and pop it in a Logic project in a very few seconds. I was previously running 4g. I have no idea how my load time was affected by the upgrade (seemed fast before) but overall the upgrade dramatically changed my whole production experience. And it's cool to have EVERYTHING you might need open with no issues.

I have learned to live with this. Since restricting my Avast AV and excluding all BAIB activity from it, the load speed has been more consistent and generally quicker. Not as quick as v2013 or before. I have an SSD and a i7 DAW and in the past it was much quicker. But not too much of a problem today.