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This style has piano comping and guitar comping in the vein of Wes M. There are places where the guitar and piano play as a flam with the piano sometimes just a bit behind the guitar then they switch and the piano comes down on the note behind the guitar. This doesn't sound quite right to me. There used to be a slide tracks feature somewhere in 09 version but I can't find it now. It may have been a midi thing, or perhaps it was in R B. Also, just now, trying to confirm this was a real style I can't find the style in the real styles list. At least it is not where I think it should be alphabetically. The filter is for swing in a wide tempo range three to five instruments.
Ron
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Hi Ron,
You can offset a track by right-clicking on the track name (bass etc) at the top of the screen, and choosing the menu option to offset the track. +10 would offset the track so that it plays later than it used to. Note that you have to press PLAY to hear the offset.
I wouldn't think that this will fix the issue that you are hearing with piano and guitar on the _jazzWes.sty. I think that is just hearing 2 people comping at once - the _JazzWes style purposely has a guitar comp that is "in a groove", and doesn't get in the way on the piano comp much, but occasionally they will comp close together (in time). Another solution is to reduce the volume of the guitar.
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Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.
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Is Jazzwes anything like Cheesewizz?
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Might be easier to just eliminate the Piano or the Guitar.
This can be done on a song-by-song basis by using the "Save with Patches and Harmony" window and not checking the part that you don't want played.
I've done just that on the _jazzwes style in the past, like dropping the guit track when I'm the guy playing the guit part. Worked well enough for cover gigs like that. Less is often more anyway.
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Part of why I posted was to see if anyone heard the same thing I was hearing? Loosing one part or the other is an obvious solution same for volume but I like the idea of having both in a track but it's the places that each comes down on the note in some instances that made me question my sense of what sounds right. Have any of you besides Peter listened to that RT style. I will try sliding one or the other a little. In audio editing in other environments I find that this is seldom the right solution if you have to do it globally as the discrepency is not that consistant. Do those of you who have listened to the track think it should sound that way in reference to the two instruments and where they come down on the beat?
Thanks to all for the help.
Ron
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In the bands I played in we traded off so as not to stomp on each other.. Me on keys and a guitar, and you can end up with darn close but off if you know what I mean. Hence the index cards I carried. I put the > or the < where needed and used a lot of mf and p, or when my turn f or whatever. What becomes intuitive after a while can't happen with software, yet. And a whole rest with a 5 over it and I got some refreshment.
John Conley
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I am listening AGAIN to one of the two pgmsic demo songs of this style, _jazzwes as I type (picked the second one down of the two this time).
The guitar comping is laid back as compared to the piano, but to my ears, the places where the two don't hit dead on together aren't distracting, it works.
Now I've loaded the first demo song again and find the same results.
"FLAM" to me is a percussion command, but I take it that you mean the one instrument hits first and then the other hits a fraction of a second later or so. While such is taking place when I listen to the two demo songs, it is not so severe as I'd complain, so perhaps something else is taking place at your end. The style works here and is not out of line with what one might hear in a good live jazz combo using the same instrumentation. Personally, I don't think I'd *want* both instruments to comp in lockstep, anyway, but perhaps that is not what you are hearing and referring to here.
Have you listened to the DEMO songs for this style on your setup? Do you find the same problem as you do with your own custom created song?
Does your chosen Tempo go to any extremes?
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I will try sliding one or the other a little. In audio editing in other environments I find that this is seldom the right solution if you have to do it globally as the discrepency is not that consistant. Do those of you who have listened to the track think it should sound that way in reference to the two instruments and where they come down on the beat?
Thanks to all for the help.
Ron
I haven't used that particular style, but I did run into the same problem with a different style a while ago where the piano and rhythm guitar were out of sync every so often. Not so good, makes it sound like the "band" is sloppy.
You are right, you can't shift the entire track because then everything else is out of sync. I use Adobe Audition here for mixing, what I did was split the offending guitar downbeats from the rest of the guitar track and just shifted them so they were in sync with the piano. Not a big deal if it only happens once in a while.
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Thanks Mac the tempo is 120 or 130, Haven't listened to the demo song but I will. I'd like to hear the melody track again. I think I'm close cause the lines work over the changes so now I'm just curious.
I agree that it would be unmusical to make the two parts align perfectly. I never used quantize with my midi stuff for the same reason. I think retyping the chords with a rest for g or p is the best solution to what I'm hearing. It is more natural for the instruments to switch of on comping anyway. Comp comes from the word compliment not compete. I appreciate you guys for answering everyone's questions with such tireless grace.
Ron
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