I thought the 2018 installation was supposed to reorganize the files and folders in our bb folder so everything was contained in subfolders? I just ran the installation and accepted all of the default locations on the C drive and ended up with 11,688 files and 177 subfolders in the bb folder. My 2017 installation had 11,684 files and 171 folders.
I just looked up PGM's list of 49 problems solved and the cleanup is supposed to happen automatically upon 2018 installation. Any idea of why it did not? Is there a way I can force it? Should I just leave it alone? If it ain't broke...
In the help menu (if I remember correctly) there is a command to run the cleanup. Have you tried that? Have you looked to see if there are new subfolders that weren't there before with lots of files in them (duplicate files, perhaps)? I'm not sure what happens if a file is found in the new folder and in the original folder, since PGMusic mentioned they don't delete files. Definitely sounds like something glitched in your installation, but my guess is everything should still be there and is fixable.
John
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The Cleanup utility should run in the installation of BIAB 2018. It sounds like it did not in your case, so you should run it again. You asked how it will help. The older installers, for older versions of BIAB and bonus paks, xtra styles etc. use the older organization and load up the /BB folder.
Run the Cleanup using either method above and report back.
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I would try a couple of things. 1) Backup what you have now (just to make sure you don't lose anything) and then run the cleanup utility to see the effect. 2) Revert to a pre-installation image/folder structure (if you had backed up before installing the new version, and then run the installation routine again to see if it works properly this time.
Again, I'm not sure what it will do in the end, but PGMusic has stated they don't delete the file, but move them. I know it worked fine when I installed 2018, although there were a few additional files left in the main folder, but those were files from other things I had done (some zip files, some document files, etc, that wouldn't have been picked up by the cleanup routine).
John
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I think you will find that the cleanup routine is more of a tidy up. Prior to 2018 many many files were scattered around in the BB root folder C:\ BB or what ever. The routine has just gathered most these up and organised them into logical folders. It will not remove any thing, just tidy. This makes it much easier to find things as it was getting unwieldy
You can run it from within BIAB got to Help /Utilities / run clean up routine.
Correct and in my case, accumulating carp in that folder since DOS days
I had .sgu's, mgu's, .locs (folder pointers to BB applications like "Blues Pianist," etc.) and a few other kinds (some old setup files) that ARE BIAB things but are just fine where they are because where would you move misc songs to?
plus the main "BBW.exe" remains there, songlisttemp4.bin if you made a song list starting at ROOT folder down, .ticket files, etc. the root folder will probably never be EMPTY
In my case it did a 99+ % cleanup in the ROOT folder.
But I DID review EACH sub-folder to note where things had been moved and reorganized as
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What I was getting at was that if for some reason you had the same file in two places (but perhaps different date-time stamps), does the cleanup routine cleanup do nothing, or overwrite the target (which effectively deletes it), or create a 2nd instance of the target (e.g. filename(2).sty)?
This could happen if you, for example, created a backup of 2017, installed 2018 and ran the cleanup, then copied 2017 back over to try re-installing 2018 (not saying anyone did that, but a possible scenario). What happens then, say, if the new style file already exists in the cleanup folder, but your copying over from 2017 was a non-updated file with an older date-time stamp.
I know, that's wonky, but my brain thinks about things like this (I suspect Larry Kehl's does too).
John
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Right. I suggested that as well, because if you run an older installer, you would put things where they used to be, and would need to run Cleanup again.
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Yeah, there was no older installer or copying 2017 back over 2018! This appears to have simply been a failure of the installer to do its work. I ran the cleanup and it looks like it fixed everything. Oh and even though it has been said that it does not delete any files it definitely deletes files after it copies them to their new location!
Thanks to everyone for their help and suggestions. I'll report back if this does not resolve everything but it looks like it is good now.
Well, that’s a move, not a copy then delete. A move within the same drive is very fast, just changing pointers. A copy then delete of that many files would take far longer.
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Not to harp on it, but while yes a move is strictly a "move" (not a copy and delete, since all that happens is the pointer to the file gets changed to the new folder location), if the same named file happens to be found in the destination folder, and the move causes an overwrite of that file, that is technically a delete of the original file being replaced by the moved file. Not sure what happens in that situation. If both files are exactly the same, no harm done. If the original file in the destination is older, it gets replaced by the newer file and the original file is gone (or it might create a second instance of the file with a new name, but then the program may or may not "find" the new file). Just saying there are scenarios where weird things can happen and probably doesn't apply here, but could.
Okay, off soapbox now.
John
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My only point is you cannot rely on a "promise" that no files are deleted as proven by what I have seen. And since the installation failed to do the cleanup automatically then clearly the process still has issues.
My bottom line: backup everything before trusting that the new install will work like it is supposed to!
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This appears to have simply been a failure of the installer to do its work. I ran the cleanup and it looks like it fixed everything. Oh and even though it has been said that it does not delete any files it definitely deletes files after it copies them to their new location!
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