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For various reasons, I hadn't updated BiaB since the 2012.5 release, even though I had purchased every release (EverythingPAK) since. I finally updated each BiaB release, one at a time, playing a bit with each version to get used to the changes. I had no problems until I installed 2017. With 2017, any of my songs that contain SampleTank voices no longer play those voices, but instead, sound like BiaB has substituted the equivalent GM voice playing thru my default MIDI (Coyote WT) soft synth. When I look at the mixer, instead of showing tyhe SampleTank HQ voice I originally chose, it now shows a voice with the exact same naming, except it includes the word "Sforzando" in it. Also, when I attempt to assign a SampleTank (H1Q) voice to a track, the list of Hi-Q MIDI patches shows every patch listed twice, once with the word "SampleTank" in it and once more withe the word "Sforzando" in it. And if I select the "SampleTank" one, it has no effect in that it still shows the "Sforzando" one in the mixer. And the sound that is played sounds exactly the same as it would if I selected the equivalent GM patch and played it thru my default Coyote WT soft synth. How do I get back the SampleTank sounds I used to get?
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Ansmith,
Can you please post a link to one of the affected backings so that we can download it and give it a test run to see what is happening first-hand and to experiment with possible solutions?
Regards,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
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BIAB 2017 no longer calls up the default Sampletank DXi for Sampletank HI-Q sounds. With BIAB 2017 the default are SFZ HI-Q sounds which invoke/call up the, free and provided, Sforzando (a SFZ player).
Couple options here:
If you want to, or have to, use the Sampletank HI-Q sounds on each track that had them before you will have to insert Sampletank, either as VSTi or DXi (highly recommend using the VSTi over DXi - less issues), for each existing track that uses ST HI-Q instruments. Then save song (Save Special - w patches)
Or simply switch the HI-Q instrument(s) in your songs from Sampletank to the newer Sforzando - and again re-save songs.
I've listened to the ST HI-Q and SFZ HI-Q BIAB sounds, side by side, they are identical (e.g. the ST2 HI-Q: "Bass, Electric, 61 Classic Sampletank" calls up the same sound (except in Sampletank's .stw format) as the Sforzando: "Bass, Electric, 61 Classic - Sforzando" sound (but in SFZ format). There MIGHT be a slight volume delta (with the SFZ's being louder by a bit)
If you are getting bad or low quality sounding HI-Q sounds when you try to use Sforzndo HI-Q's it might be an install issue.
There was some initial thrashing when folks, inclduing me, updated to 2017 but choose to not install the supplied Sforzando during the BIAB install process, etc.
Probably just need some a reinstall to verify you installed Sforzando during the BIAB 2017 install - only takes a few minutes and doesn't hurt anything. Then there is the clean up to get rid of the old ST HI-q files from the DX Settings folder . There is a way to make BIAB NOT see the old ST versions when you ask to use a HI-Q instrument WITHOUT you having to do any file "sleuthing around" in the DX Settings folder and deleting - but I forget how.
Larry
Win10Pro,i9,64GB,2TBSSD+20TBHDDs,1080TI,BIAB'24,Scarlett18i8,Montage7,Fusion 8HD,QS8,Integra7,XV5080,QSR,SC-8850,SPLAT,FL21&others,Komp.14,IK suite&others, just a guitar player-AXE FX III &FM9T, FishmanTP, MIDIGuitar2, GK2/3'sw/GI20
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Larry,
Thanks for your answer. It's very clear - though it doesn't make me happy!
I am an all RealTracks user, but, in my library of approx 300 songs, I have occasionally (about 40 songs) used a MIDI voice for selected measures to get a particular sound I can't achieve with RealTracks. I always used Roland's VSC DXi - until Windows 7 came out. I ended up spending weeks going thru my library to find the songs with MIDI (they're now documented in my library list) and altered them to either use Coyote WT or SampleTank, whichever sounded better, modifying the volume on those measures as needed to get as close to the original Roland sound as possible.
Now I need to either alter those songs to continue to use SampleTank plug-in or use Sforzando...... and, of course, my concern is, what's the chance that either of those two might change/go away in the future?
Oh, well. Sorry about the b....in'. For now, I'm going to try and use the SampleTank 2.x VSTi as a plug-in.
However, my 1st problem/issue just cropped up - when I select SampleTank 2.x VSTi in the 1st plug-in slot for the track, I get "This copy of SampleTank is not authorized - the 10-day grace period has expired - run the 1K Multimedia Authorization Manager".
I have been using SampleTank (the "free" component that came with BiaB)since it was added to BiaB years ago. I authorized it then and have never been asked to do it again 'til now.
What do I do? How do I authorize it?
Andy
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go back to your IK multimedia account - you should still have Sampletank free listed as a product you own. Download the newest authorization manger and re-authorize it (there will be serial numbers in your account for it) http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/authorizationmanager/For you serial number go to IK Support -> User area -> My Products and look for it if you used up all "authorizations" just ask IK for more - they ALWAYS seem to give you more. good luck Larry PS: I think if you switched to the SFZ HI-Q sounds and NOT the ST version of the HQ sounds you will have fewer problems in future, IMHO. The free SFZ player, SForzando, has been around a while and is the GUTS of Garrtian's sound player. I doubt PG will have occasion to change it again - just my 2 cents
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I'd feel better if someone at PG, like Andrew, confirmed everything I told you re: who new SFZ is implemented and and how to switch out (or not) older ST HI-Q sounds with the Sforzando HI-q sounds You realize I'm just a forum member - not a PG employee (?) Good luck maybe some one from PG will pop-in here, or some other forum member will confirm what I said (two wrong answers = one big wrong answer -  ) Larry
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