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RE; USB AUDIO INTERFACES THAT ARE MULTICLIENT> (mc).

1..Note , this list is not complete i’m sure and ymmv , and i recommend renting any interface for a month to see how well any interface works with your rig. Before buying…cos There are so many configs of pc’s.
Here is mc defined >>>

https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/multi-client/

2..Heres an example of how pg user ‘mountainside/jeff’ uses mc in pracrice to quote him >>>
“In practice, I am typically using BIAB, RB and Cakewalk all at the same time, transferring tracks back and forth. One thing I have found is that you have to be careful with how your sound cards and USB ports are set up. Never checkmark to allow anything to have "exclusive" control of anything.” << nice jeff.

3..Heres a list so far in no particular order >>>
..audient
..rme
..behringer umc
..ssl
..motu 828MK3 and micro Lite (what bout m.2//m.4?)
..focusrite generation 3
..native instruments komplete i believe << check on this.
..now please add your own mc device.

if your unsure if your device is mc capable email the manufacturer of your device.

4..AS I SAID THIS LIST IS NOT FINALISED AS THE INDUSTRY IS ALWAYS CHANGEING WITH NEW PRODUCTS ALL THE TIME !

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ps to pg...make this a sticky that can be amended over time ??

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Thanks for the list justanoldmuso! This is a very helpful post!


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Jerry.
thanks.

here is a very interesting comparison done by julian krause..who does very detailed technical analyses of usb audio interfaces.
at the link below at 10mins or so is a very interesting
table // technical analysis of various interfaces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL_HZZwRJnQ

dotted thru the vid are various technical other tables.

i would suggest anyone in the market for an interface check out julians vids on YT which impress me and are very detailed.

i'm trying to get info currently on more interfaces also that are multi client.

i suggest as always renting an interface for a few days to see if its copacetic with ones recording rig.

best/ymmv

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UPDATE Jan 2023.

note..i recommend renting before buying to see if the interface works with your particular rig and win version OR contact the interfaces manufacturer if more clarification needed.

ive found out the following asio interfaces also support multi client asio.

1. motu m4 and m2.
(looks like m2 is MClient asio..but no blend feature.)
2. ssl 2/2+ interfaces.

as usual ymmv etc etc.blah blah lol.

heres a sweetwater shootout tween various usb interfaces
with live instruments n' vocs. (note all might not be MClient). personally i found its a tad of a wash listening to the various live examples....but you form your own opinions...

https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/best-audio-interfaces-shootout/

NOTE >> if you anticipate using a dynamic mic like a sm7b
that requires lots of mic pre gain you might assess if the usb interface your thinking of buying has a powerfull enough mic pre..OR use something like a front end booster eg a cloudlifter or for budget in line booster i understand klark teknik make one.


btw if anyone knows any win usb audio mixers that are asio multi client ..it might be of interest to pg users.
so far with the most in depth googling i'm having great difficulty finding this info.

happiness.

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re : Allen Heath Zedi10 fx.

apparently this 4x4 usb audio mixer is multi client asio on pc.

its 24 bit/96khz.

https://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/zedi-10fx/


as always try/rent before buying as so many pc configs.
see user manual on above site for further info/specs etc.


happiness.


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New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
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BIG TIP.

some cheaper usb audio interfaces dont have mic preamps with enough gain to drive some dynamic mics. i recommend googling in line mic booster.
ive been testing out a fethead with an older interface. works great and results in me not haveing to put the interface gain up as high.
rather impressed. but as always ymmv blah blah.

in summary if you find you have to really crank the gain on the interface mic pre you might look at a fethead or equivalent if your getting problems.

an update on my audient interface.
..not one prob ever.
..great drivers.
..latency of 4 millisecs reported and i could get lower but dont bother.
one tech review i saw on the net mentioned the audients low 0.6 millisecs
internal latency. i believe it as ive not had latency issues. but note my new mini pc has one of the lowest dpc latencies for a pc. one major problem is that some people arent aware of the importance of useing preferably a low microseconds dpc pc for music production.
if the reader of this is thinking about a new pc a great resource that checks out dpc latencies of lots of pc's is notebook check.
just google notebook check dpc latency and the resulting display will show a table of dpc latencies from high to low.
..one thing i really like about the audient is it has 48v switches on each channel via a small app. some gear doesnt have such a feature but just a global 48v for all channels.
..imho the audient mic pres are impressive when i compare them to songs i once did in commercial studios.

ps...i forgot to mention..another thing that has impressed me re audient is how quickly they got back to me when a couple of times i needed clarification on something.

happiness.

om

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New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
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(and rock song THE STALLION and bluegrass song... BANKER MAN....90 songs useing bb/rb.)
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Good to see you again muso !! let's hope we get that new RealBand soon.

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Intruding on an old and great tip ...

RME is mentioned. What I don't see is focus on it's four outstanding features. This should absolutely be one of the first products you check out.

1. Most audio manufacturers buy 'packaged' audio device drivers from various software companies. RME writes it's own drivers permitting recording latency down to 3.2 milliseconds and 32 sample buffer ... even on USB 2. Their high end units have both Thunder Bolt and USB ... but there is no difference in performance.

2. RME's digital mixer, TotalMix, is the most comprehensive imaginable permitting every hardware and/ or software input to be routed to any output individually or combined.

Google Barry Johns Studio Talk 'RME - Simply The Best' on YouTube and his multi-part introduction to TotalMix.

3. RME includes a 'real time' audio analyzer app, DIGICheck, with programmable options for full frequency range, Peak and RMS metering and phase coherency.

4. RME has never abandoned a product due to ongoing Operating System changes, i.e., Win 7 to 10 to 11, etc.

And disclaimer, I have no association with RME other than having been a satisfied customer for over 15 years.

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Just learned I can't edit a post on this forum ... which I would have done if I could have!

Here's a recent video demonstrating RME across their line features and setting up a unit that functions 100% as a stand alone recorder if not connected to your computer. Very good demonstration of RME TotalMix.

RME UCXII Interface


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DFT.

without a doubt rme and drivers are superb.
but the music industry has a problem...viz lots of people have meagre earnings from the music biz.

eg a slew of plays paying 10 bucks to a muso.
in summary thus small project studios just dont often have the budget.

in my case...and im sure lots of musos are in a similar situation..much as i would like various gear..i have family responsibilities.
actually im happy with my chosen budget interface cos
i get only 4ms latency and its multi client.
the songs in my sig used it..now maybe you will think the songs are junk...lol..but ive had various likes and messages from net people i dont know.
sweetwater.com has a section with audio examples of various interfaces for various budgets. i had trouble telling the difference frankly.

to summarise i think more musos would like to buy high end gear if they had income from their songs.

re the interface market its interesting to note well known big studio audio console manufacturers have started offering
interfaces....from my marketing background i suspect this is because the market for these lovely consoles has shrunk.

happy new year.

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OM ... I want to thank you for bringing the issue of multiclient asio to the forum's attention. I sincerely hope I've not offended nor been insensitive or in anyway disdainful of other multiclient asio interfaces. It's true that even RME's entry level Baby Face is several times the cost of many very good 2 channel interfaces ... and that the overall industry continues to bring forward better products at ever better prices on a regular basis.

It is also true that 'you get what you pay for,' and it is often difficult to get in the weeds and truly understand what it actually is you've paid for. As someone who had purchased four or five interfaces my studio outgrew for one reason or another before I happened across RME, I just wanted to share here my experience for others to consider when they investigate purchasing a multiclient asio interface.

Happy New Year and Happier Music Making!


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DFT.

sincerely i appreciate your comments.
you are obviously very knowledgeable.
let me say one problem im always faceing in purchasing new gear is how quickly tech gets obsolete.
the fact that older rme gear is still supported from what ive read is impressive.

frankly my current interface was what i call a temporary buy as i expect further interesting developments re usb interfaces. but frankly its surprised me day in and out nary a problem and no driver issues....just works.

fyi ive made more than a few suggestions to manufacturers of interfaces. it will be interesting to see what namm brings.

i wish you a great happy new year

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another interesting interface ive found.
sterling audio h224....80 bucks.
see you tube for more info.
looks like big bang for the buck.
but global 48v phantom i believe ?
not per channel ?

i havent used it so do your own review.. but lots of nice features.
if anyone knows if its drivers are multi client please post back....as icant find this info.

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New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
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UPDATE FOR LOW GAIN MIC PRE's IN INTERFACES.
(MARCH 2024)

i mentioned before how to solve the issue of some sound interfaces not having enough gain in their mic pre's for low output dynamic mics.
(i.e. use an in line booster product between the mic and the interface.)
but i notice now a trend to actually build the boosters into the dynamic mics themselves.
Here's some budget ones to consider.
(see you tube for reviews).

..sterling audio p30. about 80 bucks.
..se electronics dynacaster dcm 6. about 200 bucks ?
And I believe Logitech has one ?
and of course there is now a version for the sm7b.

I heard the p30 on a singer. sounded nice to me.
and the dynacaster sounded good too. but do your analysis. didnt have time to hear sm7b or logitech.
i heard one of the above either p30 or dcm (forgotten where on you tube) put up against a very expensive
mic costing over 3 g's . sounded good to me but do your evaluation.
if anyone knows more mics with built in boosters please post back.

another option for low output mics to interfaces is to firstly plug the mic into a mic pre.
so mic >> mic pre >> interface idea.
eg you could use a cheap art tube mp or another mic pre.
(NOTE. please dont yammy on me about the 50 buck art being only for bass players…lol.
ive used very high end pre's and compared vocals to the art...if you doubt me further just go on gearspace.com and look for a hilarious thread where an audio engineer posts blind tests audio examples of the art viz other mic pres...and then reveals later which examples were art. its an entertaining thread for one of those rainy days…many people got it wrong…lol.)


Now go make some great vocals.

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Re sterling audio audio h224 interface…

There is an interesting video i found comparing on you tube the h224 and focusrite….

It seems the very inexpensive h224 might have several advantages.
see the vid…



lots of other videos on you tube too including sound examples.

NOTE…i dont know if it's multi client.
but for someone getting into music production not wanting to spend oodles…it might be of interest.
The sound examples I heard were impressive.

as always/caveats …ymmv…blah blah..youll have to test one etc.
Most gear shops have a 30 day policy.

happiness.

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FYI: Both +++ Guitar Center +++ and +++ Musician's Friend +++ have the Sterling H224 audio interface on sale for $79.99.

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