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Greetings Everyone,
I am trying to use RealBand as a multi-track recorder/DAW. How do I assign tracks to the individual inputs of my mixer? Can this be done or am I misunderstanding how this program works?
I have gone to Preferences, Audio Drivers and can see My ASIO device and the individual (0-11) input channels.
I've assigned various channels as default in the Windows Sound Control Panel. There are no error messages and properties tell my my device is working properly.
When I right click a track, I can select track type MIDI, Stereo, Mono but do not see anything which would lead me to input assignments.
I have scanned the FAQs and the forum area, but don't see instructions for "How to assign input channels in RealBand." I'm not suggesting that the info isn't here somewhere, but I have failed to discover it and certainly can use some help. Thanks in advance.
Software: BIAB/RealBand 2011.5
Hardware: Mackie ONYX 1220i firewire 12 channel mixer
Computer: 64Bit Windows 7, 16Gig RAM, Intel i7
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Have you been able to get your Onyx to work with Tracktion from Mackie? Tracktion should have shipped with the mixer.
-Scott
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It was a download, but yes, it works with Tracktion, so that tells me the mixer and computer are working together. So how does one select inputs in RealBand?
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It was a download, but yes, it works with Tracktion, so that tells me the mixer and computer are working together. So how does one select inputs in RealBand?
That will have to be a question answered by someone else here. Just wanted to make sure that you got it to work with something else. One thing to think about is that Tracktion will likely default to the ASIO audio drivers for your Onyx. ASIO support with PG products is one of those gray areas that has to be answered by someone with deeper knowledge of PG current offerings.
-Scott
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I appreciate your attention to at least see that I have the mixer interfacing correctly. Good place to start. Let's see what the "deeper knowledge folks" have to say.
Thanks Scott.
-Les
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First thing to do is see if you can tell what IS working in the other program, you'll want to try the same device setting (drivers) in RB first.
Options-Preferences-Audio tab (in RB)
Select ASIO if the other program was using ASIO, if it was MME or WDM or something else .. just leave it as MME in Realband.
Now select 'drivers' button. This allows selection of the input and output device settings via their drivers. This is how RB can tell which device you want to record from and play back on, so use the columns to select your intended device by making it the only one highlited. Then click 'Move selected device to top' button to make your selection the default in RB.
Click OK, and try the input/output device (previously selected via its driver). If it doesn't wotk, try another logical devcie (driver). But if the driver works in another DAW, you should be able to get it working in RB with a little effort. Try not to change windows soundcard settings, as this may affect the process sometimes. Stay in RB drivers area to make changes or the soundcards mixer applet if needed. Those should take priority from RB once selected.
Last edited by rharv; 12/01/11 05:17 PM.
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First thing to do is see if you can tell what IS working in the other program, you'll want to try the same device setting (drivers) in RB first.
I can see/select each of the 12 input channels using Tracktion and Vegas Pro. ASIO is chosen. When I produce a sound source, I see the corresponding VU indications.
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Options-Preferences-Audio tab (in RB)
Select ASIO if the other program was using ASIO, if it was MME or WDM or something else .. just leave it as MME in Realband.
Now select 'drivers' button. This allows selection of the input and output device settings via their drivers. This is how RB can tell which device you want to record from and play back on, so use the columns to select your intended device by making it the only one highlited. Then click 'Move selected device to top' button to make your selection the default in RB.
When I navigate here, ASIO is chosen. In Drivers, there is only one device: Loud ASIO (My mixer) and it correctly reflects all my input channels in the left Input Port(s)column. The right Output port(s) column displays Output 1 + Output 2. (There is no move command, but I suspect this is because I have but a single device???)
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Click OK, and try the input/output device (previously selected via its driver). If it doesn't wotk, try another logical devcie (driver). But if the driver works in another DAW, you should be able to get it working in RB with a little effort.
The settings appear as I would expect. This is where I get stuck. All my tracks are output tracks. MIDI, mon or stereo are the choices, but all output and I see nothing which allows me to assign an audio track to a particular input channel. In fact, I can find nothing at all which referes to input. What view should I be viewing? I've looked through track setting in mixer view as well as track view.
Thanks for walking me this far. Ready for the next steps. lol
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Right click each track (in tracks window) and assign them to an audio output port available in MOTU. It's 'port' option after right clicking. This assigns output per track. You want to send your individual tracks out to the mixer, so select an individual port for each one. Then (hopefully) those outputs from the MOTU are physically wired to the mixer.. and should register signal at the mixer when played.
However, there is no 'input' port selection from the tracks view; just *output* for existing tracks.
You select the *input* in the same drivers button section described above (opt-pref-audio-driver). Remember previously when you recorded 8 tracks at once? They were made available there in the drivers input section.
This forces RB to record all selected input ports (devices - selected via drivers button) in that one 'drivers' window. Once you select a blank track to record on it puts the rest of the ports on the next blank track. You did this part before; so you know you want to enable only the two inputs coming back in from the mixer to record your mixdown... onto a blank track.
Last edited by rharv; 12/01/11 06:13 PM.
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Hmm. I have not a clue what MOTU is. I've not recorded 8 tracks at once.
As I understand, I want to capture the individual tracks from my mixer onto RB. I am not interested in a mixdown.
Not to be rude, but is it possible that my thread has been confused/mixed with an adjacent thread?
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Does your soundcard (mixer) allow recording to multiple tracks
If so-
For *inputs* you go to 'options-preferences-audio tab- drivers button' and enable the inputs you want. These inputs (if highlited) will be recorded.
Then go to tracks view, select a blank audio track to record to, and hit record for a few seconds (to test). Hit stop, and you'll be asked to 'keep take'; say yes.
RB will put the recorded inputs onto the selected (record) track and then the next available blank tracks (in order) from the selected drivers.
One key here is selecting to record to a stereo or mono track. If a stereo track then input 1/2 goes to L/R of first track .. input 3/4 goes to L/R of next available track .. etc.
If a mono track is selected to record to, input 1 goes to that track, input 2 goes to next available track, input 3 to next .. you'll see them after testing (if it is working)
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LOL
*whew* for a bit there I thought I was losing my mind..... worse than normal. lol
OK, I I've discovered the procedures and think I finally have a better understanding of the RB interface.
As I see it: There is no way to manually assign channels to tracks. However many inputs are highlighted in the options, audio, drivers windows will determine the quantity of inputs tracks/channels to be recorded. It will associate that number of tracks, in sequence, first to last , begining with the currently highlighted track.
While this doesn't allow preassignment of channels/tracks, it does provide basic multitrack recording.
the cons I see to using RB for recording live input:
1) Cannot easily perform a prerecording soundcheck to adjust levels
2) One cannot assign fixed channels to tracks. It can be setup to record as desired, but a simple inadvertant click leaving the cursor on a different track and next recording is in a new, unexpected location.
3) To turn on or off a particular channel for recording isn't as simple as arming or disarming track recording.
(I admit to being rather anal about control and documenting my projects - assign and label tracks re: input type, other grouping, etc and assign tracks based on my factors and not simply numerical sequence)
My conclusion is that to have the control I desire over my recording, I best use Vegas or Sonar for recording and then manually import the recorded files into RB.
I'd prefer to stay within BiaB and RB so I am disappointed with my assessment and needing to go to a difference software. If anyone disagrees or sees flaws with my observations and views RB as the recording DAW of choice, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks again for taking the time to look into this.
Les
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My conclusion is that you are a fast learner.  Oh and of course Rharv is a good teacher.... 
Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper
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LOL Thanks.
And I agree that Rharv's attention to detail does make it easier to troubleshoot when addressing issues remotely.
(if we can keep him on the right thread! hehehehehe sorry, I couldn't resist)
Les
P.S. By the way, It took a lot of research to find a mixer (affordable in my price range) that does multitrack recording. All but a handful will only mixdown to one stereo track. The Firewire interfaced mixers do, but only the USB interfaced mixers labeled as: USB 2.0 will. The onles simply labeled "USB" do not. I did get to play with the Alesis Multimix USB 2.0 and almost kept it before deciding I liked the features and Mic premaps better on the Onyx. Behringer is planning on a USB 2.0 mixer sometime in 2012.
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Nostrovio - once you get to the point of mixing down, make sure to fire up Tracktion for the mastering plugins alone. Final Mix is a great final mix plugin with tons of presets that can put that extra icing on the cake.
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Nostrovio
For your 1-2-3 list.
Soundcheck for levels is a function of the soundcard applet, open the software for the mixer of the device you are using. Most complete setup you'll get, and will run while RB is running.
Yes clicking on a wrong track to record on will wreak havoc; out a 'locked record track' item in the wishlist. I've not heard anyone else say that was an issue, so it's a new one on me.
I agree that 'assigned' order of inputs is clumsy. I'm going to suggest that device selection window (drivers button) allows the listings to be re-arranged so we can a least pick the order of the inputs and that would correspond to the order of resulting tracks.
That said, it is possible to move the tracks around in the order you want once recorded, so all the guitars are together, all the violins, all the bagpipes .. Click on track number and drag them up/down.
Make your sound your own!
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Soundcheck for levels is a function of the soundcard applet, open the software for the mixer of the device you are using. Most complete setup you'll get, and will run while RB is running.
Great idea. simple. That hadn't occurred to me.. Solves the major issue.
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Yes clicking on a wrong track to record on will wreak havoc; out a 'locked record track' item in the wishlist. I've not heard anyone else say that was an issue, so it's a new one on me.
Sounds like it wouldn't hurt for me to be a bit more flexible. lol
Thanks again.
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