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Let's say I have a midi track that has multiple trumpets, how can I seperate to individual horns, extend to seperate tracks etc. I may have asked this before but am unsure. Thanks 
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You could copy and paste them to other tracks and remove the notes to separate them in piano roll .
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Assign a different MIDI channel to each of the trumpets, then use "extract channels to tracks" option in the Edit menu.
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I can't get the track to open up either way,there are 4 trumpets on the track which is channel 3, I guess I need baby steps, I hate to waste PG support time for this which is probably something simple which I neve tried to do before. With garritan I want to use all the possibilities I can, I love the sounds. I have JABB, would this be easir with instant orchresta? Just a thought..........I am willing to invest in the program if it will aid in production, also I am finding that strings would be a good asset.
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Critter,
You are going to need to do some work here. Select the midi track with the 4 trumpet parts. Open the Piano Roll. Start with 1 trumpet part, say, the highest part, copy just those notes to a separate Real Band track (make it a midi track) and assign it a channel. Repeat that process for all the parts, 1 by 1, ending up with 4 midi tracks, each with 1 trumpet on it.
Make each track a different midi channel, apply Garritan to each track, and pull up the sound you want using the same track in Garritan as the midi channel you assigned it to in Real Band. ie. Trumpet part #1 you assign to midi channel 1, in Garritan, on TRACK 1, apply a trumpet patch. Repeat for part 2 (midi channel 2, Garritan TRACK 2)
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As MitchC has pointed out, you are going to be doing some MIDI Channel editing. I don't know of any easy one button solution here but MitchC's suggestion works well. There are a couple of other ways to do it so I humbly submit them with some screenshots that may help. Everyone has their own way of working so the more to choose from the better. The first way is using the Event Editor but you need to know which notes you want each trumpet to play. This is easier to do than it looks like written down. The screenshot shows a brass track with all 3 brass instruments assigned to MIDI channel 6 and the Event Editor screen where you can change the channel numbers. In this shot you can see the 3 brass instruments all have 6 as their channel number.  The next screen shot shows the changed MIDI channel numbers. In this case I've chosen 6,7,8 etc. (you can choose whatever MIDI channel numbers you want)  Once you have changed the channels for the whole brass track it is then easy to extract to separate tracks using the Edit menu command "extract channels to tracks" This shot shows the extracted tracks. Notice the different MIDI channel numbers. The original Brass track 4 notes have been extracted and moved to 3 separate tracks.  The other way to try is probably easier than the event editor and is similar to what MitchC is doing.  This is using the notation window using the editable notation mode. The notes shown are the 3 brass instruments all using channel 6 as before. If you right click each note in turn then you can edit the MIDI channel numbers using the edit option. You then use the "extract channels to tracks" command as before and your trumpets are each on their own separate tracks with their own MIDI channels ready for you to assign in Aria with the JABB instruments you want. Good luck!
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After trying these options I assume you have to go chord by chord, measure by measure and there is no way to alter one time like in measure one and then the whole track is done?
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Unfortunately I don't know of a way to edit once and then have it apply to the whole track.
Maybe others here who know RB in much more depth than I do can offer a way to split a chord onto a separate track for each note of the chord. So far it seems like the only way is one note or chord at a time.
MitchC's option of using the piano roll may be the fastest way to separate the trumpets out. At least that way you could select a whole lot of notes to delete in one go.
You could make 3 more copies of the track then delete all the notes except the top notes of the chord. Then in the next copy delete all the notes except the 2nd notes down from the chord, and so on until you have the 4 tracks separated out. Then as MitchC said assign each track a different MIDI channel and match the channels in Aria to the ones in RB.
Experiment with the different options to see which one works best for you.
I have to log out for now (pressed for time again as usual) but good luck!
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Yep. Copy your existing tracks to 3 more midi RB tracks, then settle in for a nice editing session in Piano Roll. You can highlight multiple notes and delete. So on track one, delete everything except trumpet part 1, then on track 2, delete everything except trumpet 2 notes etc.
Not fun, but hey, once it's done then you have nice tracks to work with.
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Exactly! Worth all the work in the end.
All the best.
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Most pop music horn parts are fairly simple to play. It could be much faster to simply hook up a midi keyboard and play the parts one at a time to a separate track then since it's midi go to the piano roll and edit any clams. Also, those parts usually repeat several times throuout the song so while you can't edit the first phrase and have it somehow automatically flow through the entire piece, you can fix say the first verse and just copy/paste the verse using the Bars window then do the same thing with a bridge or solo part.
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Maybe a wishlist?
Something like "extract chord notes to separate tracks"
Just a thought.
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The problem with that is the midi instruments being used. A drum kit is listed as one instrument but inside the kit each element is treated as a separate instrument by the midi standard. That means the kick, snare, cymbals etc are already identified as those things in the midi's drum track. That makes it easy for the software to separate each element of a drum kit to a separate track. With a horn track comprised of 4 trumpets, how is the software going to know how to separate them? All it sees is a bunch of notes played by one instrument, a trumpet. Remember midi only allows one instrument per channel. You may hear that trumpet track as four parts but it's really just one as far as any sequencer is concerned.
Biab does have a way to have a midi guitar part separated out per string to a separate midi channel. Maybe there's some way to do that with horn parts? Worth a thought. Hmmm, that's got me thinking. I'm not a guitarist and I've never played with that but maybe all you have to do is play that track in Biab using a guitar patch, Biab thinks it's done by guitar strings and it will separate them? Then you save that part as a separate midi file and put it back into RB and switch the instruments back to trumpet?
Maybe it doesn't work that way, dunno.
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I was thinking of a filter type thing like I use in Sibelius. I know Sibelius is a dedicated notation programme but it has filtering options where you can filter chords among other things,so that just the top notes or 2nd ones down etc are selected. It's really handy because you can then copy the selected notes to their own separate track. It would be great if RB could have something like this. Just wishing!
The guitar track idea is an interesting one. It might just work. I'll fiddle with it when I get a chance.
Always something new to try.
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I have been doing this note by note in notation for some time now. I appreciate you guys taking the time to explain some other options. Of course we are always wishing for that magic bullet shortcut.  Yeah, sure.... I had not even considered using the Event List to do this. Thanks again.
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Try the "duplicate" track function and simply drag/hi-lite sections you want to delete. Don't forget to use the "re-channel" function for the "new" tracks.
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Let's say I have a midi track that has multiple trumpets, how can I seperate to individual horns, extend to seperate tracks etc. I may have asked this before but am unsure. Thanks
There's perhaps an easier way to do what you want. Open the BiaB sequencer window on the melody (or soloist) track with your midi file. If the track is not already multi-channel it'll ask you if you want to make it multi. Answer yes.
If the notes for each horn are on separate channels you'll see them separated in the sequencer window. This will only fail if the midi is an older standard. Most will separate just fine.
Now, in the sequencer window you can assign different patches to the channels, copy or move channels or mute channels. In addition, each channel is in numerical order so you can assign voices in Garritan, Sampletank etc.
Nice and simple.
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Open the BiaB sequencer window on the melody (or soloist) track with your midi file. If the track is not already multi-channel it'll ask you if you want to make it multi. Answer yes.
This is not what we're talking about here P. The question concerns one track of a multitrack midi file with one instrument playing chords, in this case trumpet. Or, to make it simple say you have a midi file with only one track on it, solo piano. How do you separate each note of the piano to a separate track?
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If you don't mind spending a little bit of money ($49), here's what I would do to save a lot of time. Noteworthy Composer (NWC) (a notation program that has been discussed on this forum before) has a User's Tool feature which lets you write your own little utilities (or run other people's utilities) to make changes to your score. One of the folks who frequents the Noteworthy Composer user forum wrote a little user tool called "Parts". What it does is let you import a MIDI file into NWC, then iteratively pick off either the top or bottom note of chords. I would bring my file into NWC and then get rid of everything except the trumpet track (channel) in question. Then create enough blank staffs for the maximum number of notes in a chord there will be. Go to the chord track and run the tool to keep the top note. Copy the results to the clip board, then undo the tool (CTRL-Z), and then paste to the first blank track. Run the tool again to now remove the top note. The repeat the process until all the notes have been separated. You'll now have multiple staffs with the chord notes extracted. Get rid of the original trumpet staff, make sure you've assigned different channels to each staff, and then export back out to MIDI. Bring it back into RealBand and you'll have your individual notes for each track. I know my description sounds convoluted, but it's easier to do than it is to document. And it's a whole lot faster than going note by note or chord by chord. Just a thought.
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Hi John,
This sounds like a good option if you don't need a full blown notation programme like Sibelius or Finale. A really great suggestion!
In Sibelius I can select just the top notes or next ones down and so on, then copy to their own staffs the same as the NWC programme. It's quick and sure saves time and is a lot less complicated than trying to do it with the event editor or note by note in the piano roll.
It's good having all these different options to choose from.
Keep making music!
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