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I am a newbee to BIAB and RealBand, so excuse this simple question. I searched the forum and the manual but did not find any valuable answer, and now am very nervous because I fear I lost all the recordings I did today ...
Where saves RealBand recorded audio? What are the file names and file types? What happens with that kind of data when the RealBand session is "saved as ..." as a BIAB file?
I imported a BIAB-file in RealBand and recorded several tracks. On each track I recorded about 10 or 12 takes (rewind to start, record, rewind to start, record ...)
Then I saved the file as an BIAB-file, this option was automatically offered in that situation as the default file format.
After reopening the session only one track of audio with only one take re-occured in the session - without effects and on a different location in the tracks view window. The file that re-occured is the file I assigned as "Audio" in the "Save as BIAB-file"-dialog.
I searched for wav files with todays date and I checked all audio files in the folder C:\Users\<name>\AppData\Local\Temp\. but I did not find any of my recordings. Where is my mistake?
Many thanks for any hint.
Wolfgang
Last edited by Wolfgang58; 02/13/16 12:57 AM.
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This is a commonly occurring problem with real band,
it has been asked to to have real band default to save as SEQ on every save,
but it has not been implemented.
Band in a box only has one audio track so when it asked what audio track to save this is what it does, where save as SEQ with save all the tracks.
Did you look in the backup folder in the real band folder c:\realband\RBBackup, if it is there as a *.bks go to file - open special - open backup file
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Thank you for that information!
I am used to work with ProTools and so I expected that every recorded file I committed to be saved is stored somewhere on the disk - in separate, but not within that session file.
So with Realband I need to know, that all the recorded audio is gone, when the session file is lost, and if saved in BIAB-file-format. Is this correct?
Can anyone provide a hint, where I can read about the file concept of BIAB and RealBand?
Again many thanks for your help, even if it did not help to recover my recordings.
Kind regards,
Wolfgang
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Basically BiaB format (sgu and mgu) only save one audio track as a wav file with the same name as the sgu file in the same folder. RB native format (SEQ) saves all tracks as one file with seq extension. Whenever you save a SEQ file, RB will create a backup of the previous version in your RBBackup folder. These files can be opened using File- Open Backup (or open special, depending on the version) as mentioned above. You can often recover some disk space by cleaning up the RBBackup folder. SEQ files do not save the individual tracks; they are all woven together to stream smoother. When opened they are available as individual tracks and can be exported as individual wav or MIDI, but when saved as a SEQ file you will not find any individual tracks anywhere on your disk. They are all one file. For the difference between sgu and mgu see #37 here - http://www.pgmusic.com/techfaq37.htm Hope that helps. Many of us have been asking for RB to at least give a warning if SGU is chosen as the Save format so we know work may be lost.
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Rharv is this reference right (for the .SGU vice .MGU)?
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It's a PGMusic reference, I can't vouch for it other than that ..
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BIAB file types.
BIAB has two basic file types:
1. A song file
2. A song file with a melody (or solo)
Song files have the default extension .SGU. These are songs that only use the basic accompaniment tracks (that is, they do not use the melody or soloist track). Once you put anything on the melody track and/or the soloist track, BIAB will now save the file with a default .MGU extension. It doesn't mean that the melody track necessarily has a "melody" on it, I just means that some data is contained on the melody track.
There is a special version of the of the MGU file called an MGX file. This is where you have imported a MIDI file into BIAB (and remember, BIAB imports all of the MIDI file directly to the Melody track and sets it as a multi-channel track). But the "X" indicates that the style loaded with the file is muted (or disabled). This ensures that only the MIDI file is played and there are no channel conflicts between the channels used in the MIDI file and the channels used by the other BIAB accompaniment tracks. You can turn the style back on, but there are potential channel conflicts when you do.
You may also see SGU and MGU files that end in something other than a "U". These go back to the early days of BIAB where the original build-in styles (also known as the ZZ styles) were each assigned either a number (1-9) or a letter. That way, you may have a file called myfile.sg1 or myfile.mg1. That just indicates that the file was saved using the ZZJazz style (if memory serves correctly).
Once they created more styles than they had numbers and letters, they switched to using the "U" convention for the final letter. This stood for "User" and there is an option to convert all the numbered/lettered songs to SGU or MGU.
All that being said, when you are using RealBand, the native format is the SEQ file. That format allows you to save everything RealBand can do, so it totally preserves your session.
However, if you instead save as an MGU or SGU file, it is going to strip out anything that isn't normally part of an MGU or SGU file (so basically, you just end up with a chord progression, an associated style, maybe - can't remember - a melody and/or soloist track, and lyrics). You won't get any audio you recorded, nor will you get any MIDI specific tracks you created.
Likewise, if you save as a MIDI file, you are only going to get the MIDI data found on tracks. You will not get any audio tracks, nor will you get any information regarding softsynths used or any effects used. Just a plain vanilla MIDI file.
If you save as a WAV file, you will just get a WAV file. You will lose all your individual tracks and any effects assigned to them.
That's why it is so important to save RealBand files as SEQ files. That ensures you keep all your work. Once saved as a SEQ, you can then create any of the other file types mentioned, but the SEQ file is needed to make sure you don't lose anything. That's why a lot of folks are asking that this be the default way to save, so you don't accidentally lose anything if you didn't know that.
Sorry for the long post, but hopefully it helped.
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