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there is cd baby and myspace has snowcap and there are many others. also you can sell from your own website. there are many ways. probably it has most to do with getting your music "in peoples faces" by advertising of some sort. I haven't tried any yet besides having some songs at my motogator site. seems more people visit the myspace site a lot more. i would rather have 50 percent of something than 100 percent of nothing. know what i mean?
has anyone had any success with any of these internet distributors out there in cyberland? or are THEY the only ones who make any money?
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Kristen.
I have not yet put anything on CD Baby or any of the other distribution company such as itunes.
However, I have several friends who have used one or more of the most popular systems, as well as selling their own on soundclick, myspace, motagator etc.
I do not personally know of any indie artist who is making a lot of money from internet sales. Most of their money is made by performances and selling of cd items at the venue.
If there was a magic internet solution, I would think it would have been found by now, and I'd put my material there as well.
Not trying to discourage you from an attempt, but I would keep my expectations within normal parameters, based on what is working for you now. Taxi is another company that shops your material for you, (supposedly).
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I like Toucher's comments.
CD Baby is by far my favorite distributor for two main reasons:
1) They only take a percentage of your sales, after the one-time tiny setup fee. They only make money if you make money. That sounds fair to me.
2) They will propagate your CD to many of the other Internet online sales sites, such as iTunes, for no extra charge, and keep track of the accounting.
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The topic is interesting.
If we have our personal webside on the net, we also probably have some MP3 files of our songs on our webside.
Maybe we could also put some snippets of the rest of the songs on our album (If we have one) and then make a link or at least an adress to where they could buy it???
And another thing: It looks to me (at the moment) that one of the nice things about selling music on the net is that we do not have to dublicate our CDs, The customer only take down the songs and the print out the cover and burn a replica on them CD burner.
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CDBaby requires a couple copies of the physical CD. They give it a UPC code and then get it to all the e-stores as mentioned above, but they wanted a few copies in case people did want to buy the whole CD. What's cool about the way CDBaby keeps track of things is you can tell which song is selling more at which store.
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I'd also recommend a good personal web site. You can direct traffic to it via many music site and forums. You then have control over many things and can add at leisure. There are some that offer free web pages. Here are some other sites to check that I don't think have been mentioned= promotemymusic.com promotemysong.com and taxi.com.
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A good personal site is invaluable. If built well and supported it'll pay for itself.
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I'd like to clarify a couple of things said above. CD Baby does not give you a UPC, but they only charge $20 for it, and you can use it for that product forever. Digital distribution is CD Baby's real strength. Opt in for at least 50% (better, 75%) of possible distro sources, and they'll do all of the legwork of setting you up with a dozen or two or three places, including iTunes and Amazon. Another thing CD Baby does very well is let small-time musicians like us take plastic. Accepting credit cards usually costs 1-3% (plus possibly a small fee) per transation, but setting up the account for it can costs hundreds of dollars, plus a fee every month. CD Baby charges $30 for the deposit on a chunk-chunk machine (you know the kind I'm talkin' about), and 9% from every transaction -- basically a dollar an album -- but that's it. No huge set-up fee, no cost for the forms and envelops and stickers you'll need, no ongoing monthly fee. For people working at our level, it's fantastic. We can take MC/Visa/AmEx/Discover, which makes it easier to buy from us, and being able to use their credit cards tends to inspire people to buy more.  As a few of you have said, It really helps to have not only your own personal site but sites at some of the social networking sites, e.g., MySpace and Facebook. I've got pages at MySpace, LiveJournal (where I get a fair amount of traffic), Podsafe, and Concerts In Your Home, all linking to each other, not to mention the various sites that have kinda defaulted into existence at places like last.fm. I have found SNOCAP to be a pain in the patootie, however.
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It looks to me that all of you out there on this thread (so far) is from USA and Canada?
Would it be practichal to use (for example) CD baby if you live in Europe???
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I don't know, Tono, but I don't see why not. In fact, I think it would be easier to let CD Baby handle many of these arrangements than to try to do yourself so from overseas. Life is complicated enough.
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You say that CD baby requires a couple copies of the physical CD in case people want to buy the whole CD.
Well. my experience with dublicating firmas (printing (dublicating) from a glas master) is a rather expensive thing for an amateur to do. And to be realistic, we will probably sell a couple of CDs IFF WE ARE LUCKY.
Wonders can happen of course. And I wish you all luck you can get, but I am to old to trust to much in luck.
So, why is it a bad idea to let the whole album be on MP3 Files??
Why is it not vice ( for an "amateur") to let the whole album be on MP3 and let the customer load it down with juvel case insert and everything.???
I am not negative, only hungry for knowledge.
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When I signed up for CD Baby, I remember being surprised that they said they would accept a well-made CD-R. This was three years ago and their policy may have changed.
If it is still the same, there is no reason anyone with a good printer and a CD burner could not participate. Their website is written with clear, straightforward (almost homespun) directions. You have to send them five copies. They even said that if you did not want to have anyone buy the physical copy of the CD, they encouraged you to buy the four back yourself. They have to keep one copy, for digitizing, and will report the CD as being out of stock but allow MP3 sales. Again, the way to get in the front door was to give them a good quality product, even if it is only on CD-R. Check their site FAQ and see if this is still true.
[EDIT: yes, still true. This is from their site:
You don't need to have your CDs shrinkwrapped, and yes you can sell a home-made CD-R here, as long as it looks good and has an insert with cover art.]
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Good news Matt. (That they acsept CDR. Because it would be an expensive thing to make comersial professioal CDs.
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Does the one-time setup fee include any subsequent cd's you make and want to sell though them (Cd Baby)?
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This hasn't been answered yet, so: Kristen, the one-time set-up fee is per album. Same thing with the UPC. And, yes, they're still accepting decently-done CD-Rs with home-printed inserts.
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I'm based in Cape Town, South Africa, and I've been using CD Baby for a while. The only downside is that postage from South Africa to them is expensive (works out to about $2 US per album) which cuts into my profit. CD Baby has always delivered exactly what they promise, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them. I've also just registered an album with IndieRhythm.com Very similar setup to CD Baby; too soon for me to comment, but their backup seems pretty good. There's a newsletter about promoting your music which is free and quite helpful. To subscribe, send an e-mail to indiecontactnewsletter@rogers.com Regards Mike Laatz www.capetownjazz.com
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" . . . probably it has most to do with getting your music "in peoples faces" by advertising of some sort."
To me, this is one of those "Never mind the answer, what's the question?" questions. But you've answered it your own question! For some reason, others have gone on to the mechanics of distribution. Let's stay with getting your music heard.
You're already on myspace. If you use it as a professional it can help. Make "Friends" with other members whom you respect who do music similar to what you do. Also people you like whose music is dissimilar to yours. If you like their stuff, some of their fans are gonna like yours. A lot of other members. That's a start. I have a couple of friends who are doing this with some success.
Shoutcast was originally intended as a medium for individuals to put their own programming on the Net. All you needed was a server or access to one. I don't know if this is still true, but it's worth checking out. You certainly have a better chance of getting into the rotation of existing stations by sending them a CD than with brick-and-mortar stations. (Speaking of which, have you sent demos to college and independent stations? The secret to that is knowing where your stuff is being played--there are ways to do that--and either going there or seeing that your CDs do. More on that below.)
As far as Shoutcast is concerned, I'd contact Radio Polska Stacja and "Belly Up For Blues". (The first is a Polish enterprise, but they have incredibly cool programming which I've mentioned here before. Look them up in Winamp to listen. Write to them in English.)
I also recently found out that XM/Sirius are highly receptive to listener submissions. If they'll play the kind of crap me and my experimental friends put out, they're sure to put yours on. Send them something.
Many small bookstores, and even some chain stores, will allow you to place your CDs on consignment. I learned this while in the book business, so this is hard information. You might even see about playing in some of the stores--yeah, the larger ones, too. My son saw Matchbox 20 in a Borders store in Atlanta before they broke it big. I regularly see other groups near the coffee shop. Be seen. Bring lots of CDs.
I recommend the book "Small Time Operator", a classic manual of guerrilla tactics for small businesses. It is not specifically music oriented, but you will be surprised by the cheap out-of-the-box ideas they suggest, many of which apply to any business. Perhaps you can look at it at the library before buying. It has been revised several times since its original release.
I have another book around here somewhere about making and selling your own records (yeah, it was vinyl when I bought the book.) They've updated that, too, and they have some killer promotional ideas. When I find it or recall the title I'll let you know.
HTH,
Ryszard
P.S.: Be sure that complete contact information, i.e., your URL, is on everything you put out--CDs, flyers, beer coasters, T shirts, Frisbees--so that anyone who sees it will have a way to reach you and buy more stuff. But you knew that, right?
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A site that I have had 3 great dealings with is Kunaki. This is the place for us poor musicians to get some CD-R's done up with a pro-look. The way they work is you download there software (PC Only), and when you are ready with your product (graphics, mix, etc) you let the program create a digital file package, and it will upload everything to their servers. They will then burn & print the full color CD's (no paper labels!), print the front & back CD inserts, package it & shrink wrap it, and they even give you a free UPC for tracking your sales, which you can also do from their site (tho CD Baby is way more established) After that they will drop ship them to where ever you want. My last order was for a client, 50 CD's, 5 to CD Baby and the rest to his home. Total cost was $105. (we had to do 2 separate orders, 1 for CD Baby, and one for himself). Not bad, and I think it is worth it in time & materials savings. The big downfall is the very limited templates for covers, and there is a very screwy return policy if the product is faulty (I have never had a problem, this is just what I have read elsewhere). And I am not sure about how it works for overseas costumers, but it seems like the way to grab, say 5 cd's to send to CD Baby by just uploading your files. With the ability to order 1, 5, 20, or 1000 CD's at a great price, I think it is worth it. 
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