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I don't know if this might be useful to anybody, but I thought it was an interesting article. http://nofilmschool.com/2013/06/free-music-film-moby-mobygratis The thought that film makers can't get music, and music makers can't get into films seems incomprehensible to me. Surely there's some way to get people matched up!!
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Just a thought, maybe it is a case of music writers writing music for films the film makers don't want to make, and conversely, the film makers are making films that the writers don't want to write music for.
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Hi Pat. I started a website a while back www.custommusicforyoutube.com to try and get into this. Haven't had any responses yet but then I guess I haven't really been marketing it!! (been busy with other stuff). I think there is definitely potential especially for BIAB composers in indie films as it does not take very much effort to custom make a track.
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In the same sense that PGMusic is a Canadian company that makes software for rapid development of music, there is also a Canadian company that makes software for the rapid development of animation/films. The company is TOONBOOM Like PGMusic, they have a user forum. Like PGMusic, their users are rabidly devoted to the company and the product. I've often thought that one way to get an insider position for making music for other peoples' videos might be to join the TOONBOOM forum and participate as a music provider who wants collaborations. Their user base appears to be a good mix of amateurs, self actualized content creators, animation sub-contractors, all the way up to pro level animators. Bottom line, there would be more likelihood of collaborating than there would be of getting a major film opportunity. And since a lot of these people are trying to break into the big time, there's the chance you might form a relationship with somebody who gets a break later. If nothing else, you might get some practice... and some helpful advice from people who know the differences between what film makers need and what the pop music world needs. In my opinion, BIAB and TOONBOOM are a natural alliance. If you like making videos for your music, you might even consider buying one of TOONBOOMS products. That would position you even better on their user forum, because you'd also be a user of their product.
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WOW! That is VERY cool!
ESPECIALLY the way they make it so convenient to add hits and special effects at exactly the right place in the time line!
But, reason with me here:
We all know how the "SNOOTY" factor keeps some people from using BIAB. If there is any group on the planet that's more snooty than musicians, it would have to be film makers. I have a hard time seeing that community embracing an automated solution that gets equal billing with their human creativity. They can afford symphonies.
This product would be a good fit for indie film makers and the basic crowd that uses TOONBOOM products... but if it turns out being too expensive, that crowd may be priced out of the market.
Or not, hard to tell. Some of TOONBOOM's products are already pricey. (I'd bet that the sample movie was created in one of TOONBOOMs products... it looks like demos I've seen on their site )
DEFINITELY a cool product, and I thank you for making me aware of it... if fo no other reason, so I am prepared to answer objections based on its existence and availability to people I might be pitching.
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another consideration is that collaborations tend to be attractive to people who either don't want to invest in the time or money to acquire new capabilities. There will always be people who would rather strike a deal with somebody who knows how to do what they need. And forums where film makers hang out are probably the best place to look for collaborators.
Also, that product isn't available yet. All of you already have years invested in learning a mature product to deliver original music TODAY.
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That is completely AMAZING. Especially that they will fingerprint the piece and it will not be generated again. I must say I wonder how similar another piece with the same keyword (ie Fantasy) will be....
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They problem I see with this software is that you are at the mercy of the algorithms. I do not see a place to input your chord structure. But I do like the idea of adding more instruments, much like the old Jammer program. I wish PGMusic would open up the other dedicated channels so the user can do whatever they wish with them.
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Hi Pat. I started a website a while back www.custommusicforyoutube.com to try and get into this. Haven't had any responses yet but then I guess I haven't really been marketing it!! (been busy with other stuff). I think there is definitely potential especially for BIAB composers in indie films as it does not take very much effort to custom make a track. Joanne, That's a cool idea, and my guess is that the main reason it isn't doing anything is because there's no way to get people to the site. You perform live on a regular basis, and therefore you have an opportunity to advertise in person. It has been my experience that people are quick to laugh... especially at others. One look at the greeting card section in your local store and you get the idea that our culture uses special occasions like birthdays, retirements, graduations, babies, weddings, etc etc to touch base in a humorous way. If you let people at your gigs know that you can provide funny songs about their friends, grandchildren, etc.. and the price is right... I think you could find that you can't keep up with the demand... especially after you get the first one or two out there and word of mouth advertising takes off. I tried this many years ago with cartoons, and got overwhelmed pretty quickly. It doesn't generate the kind of money to live on, so I stopped and focused on making a living. But as a retirement or 2nd income, it can be fun and (depending on how you price the product) it can generate income if you resist the urge to give it away. Bottom line, by playing live you have already established credibility as a real person (something that's lacking on a web site). If you talk about it and give funny examples, you may be surprised how many people out there have somebody they want to tease. Or a business they want to promote.
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They problem I see with this software is that you are at the mercy of the algorithms. I do not see a place to input your chord structure. But I do like the idea of adding more instruments, much like the old Jammer program. I wish PGMusic would open up the other dedicated channels so the user can do whatever they wish with them. I think the reason why they don't let you input the chords is because they've already decided what patterns sound suspenseful or mysterious or romantic... and in a way that's part of the appeal to somebody who doesn't want to know what chords or musical approaches yield certain emotional reactions. PGMusic could do the same thing by introducing cinematic styles that contain keywords like "suspense" or "Romance" in the description. Also they could introduce a series of sound effects that are especially useful in the same application, like the way the demo showed accents being added to line up with action scenes in the video. Hits, splashes, explosions, etc.
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Excellent points Pat! As you well know you can take on genre style and use it in other genres, for instance a country ballad style used as a jazz ballad style, so I'm not sure that those keywords would be appropriate in all cases. However it is a good idea to expand those keywords to include as much detail as possible. I use either OrangeFree Sounds, http://www.orangefreesounds.com/or freesound, http://www.freesound.org/for my sound effects. They are free and easily inserted in and DAW.
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Thanks Mario! These are getting book marked!
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Floyd Thanks for bringing awareness. This is really a sensational application with amazing possibilities. Maybe the end user market is a little limited, but it certainly has its place. Yes, I'm also wondering about the pricing structure... Thanks Trevor
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They problem I see with this software is that you are at the mercy of the algorithms. I do not see a place to input your chord structure. But I do like the idea of adding more instruments, much like the old Jammer program. I wish PGMusic would open up the other dedicated channels so the user can do whatever they wish with them. Hi Mario Thanks for the links to the sound effects. Have been looking for something like that. I think the users of this software may not know (or rather care) about chord structures/keys/tempos etc. That is the beauty. The filmmaker doesn't have to know much he just chooses what sounds good.
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"... they'll be able to do it themselves... no musical knowledge required..." and "The filmmaker doesn't have to know much he just chooses what sounds good."
Both of these statements reveal serious limitations of this product.
In the arena of higher end films, the art and craft of background mood/theme music is firmly established and the libraries feeding the industry is also staffed by people highly skilled in their craft. I would be surprised these industry artists and craftsmen storm to a generic, very limited software that only provides control over a theme'd sound created by unknown person's definition of the theme.
This product seems directed toward the filmmaker who doesn't know much or the amateur videographer.
As cool as this product is, Band in A Box is much better suited to provide a higher quality, unique theme than what this product is trying to create. And, nearly as painlessly!
Combining RealBand, the song creator, melody maker and soloist features. Instrumentals can be created in stages within RB that has each stage independently marked using markers. Each stage can have its own style, and tempo. Measures with dialog that have either underlying background music or no music can be marked as a stage.
So, for example, it is easy to create a 10 minute independent film with 4 distinct themes in the video without a lot of musical knowledge. Combining the various elements of the above BB features to quickly create, add new instruments and use volume automation, create your first theme with song maker, melody maker and soloist. Repeat for the other three themes and one does not have to know a lot about music to create a theme track for a film.
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