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I would love to try my hand at it but have no clue as to how, who, or where.
I have some suitable tracks but don't know how to proceed.
Anyone know?
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HI Donny Well that is a big ask. There is no reason why you cant create a series of musical clips/songs in BIAB and REALBAND But working to a video timeline or story board is something else. You could write your clips to suit you scene lengths if you know them. by working out the play time from the BPM and Tempo I guess. But to write one long evolving song that would change on cue would be quite a task. A lot of work would have to be done in the video editing prog in trimming both the audio which will be noticeable, far better to trim the video as the eye is more tolerant than the ear. Much depends on exactly what you mean by soundtrack. A generic film score with no particular video in mind so no hard scene changes to cope with, can be just a long evolving type song production probably best done in the unfolded mode. Background music for a home video could be done this way. But a sound track for an action movie with lots of quick cuts would be something else. It is always a bit of a chicken and egg thing which comes first, the video to which you fit the music, Or the music to which you fit the video. You don’t say what movie editing software you would be using. You may be interested in something I done like this. I used multiple instances of Kontakt 5 to record tracks in Sona (you could use Realband) and created the movie in windows movie maker from a collection of images. You can read my notes on this and see the movie on the front page of my web site. It is called TOWARDS THE LIGHT just scroll down my home page. Link to my web site below. Hope you find this of interest.  Mike
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King Arthur The Epilogue
First I apologise to any ardent Rick Wakeman fans out there.
This is not in any way supposed to be my version of his work, more a question of inspired by.
Ever since hearing the album Myths And Legends of King Arthur by Rick way back in 1975 (I think) Two melodic phrases have haunted me, every time I see Tintagle Castle, or walk below Glastonbury Tower, with the low mist swirling beneath my feet; they play back in my brain. Holy Cow, you and me both brother. RW's series of musical art pieces caught my attention, then and always, as some of the most brilliant music of my time. Your "epilogue" brought it all back. Well Done. 
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Holy Cow - again. Just spent some time on Mike's web site. Very impressed. Mike, Your music tells a lot about you and I feel like I got to know you a wee bit. Thanks for sharing so much. And welcome to the Forum.
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HI Dan
Thank you for your nice comments glad you enjoyed your visit.
Don’t want to hijack Donny’s thread here but I hope it spurs him on to follow his dreams and give it a go by whatever means, and software he has available.
A lot of it can be in the mind I had no video for King Arthur just images and memories that flowed in my brain while I worked on the music.
This can be an easier approach. As it leaves more room to develop the music.
Mike
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Don, it may be worth asking what you mean by "a movie sound track" If you mean suitable mood music for a home video or photo collage, then BIAB is pretty much the perfect one-stop shop for any mood you might need to match your video. But if you mean background music for a more cinematic movie... one that requires appropriate themes for chase scenes, suspenseful moments, love scenes, dream sequences, comic relief, opening and closing credits etc... BIAB is not exactly overflowing with such styles. You might consider using the style maker to create your own cinema-ready patterns. Or, there are some very good loop companies that specialize in cinematic sound. Here's one I like, and they happen to be having a sale at the moment: https://www.bluezone-corporation.com/formats/wav-samples-downloadunfortunately, a lot of this is sound effects more than thematic bits and pieces. I kind of wish that PGMusic would jump on the cinematic music bandwagon to support the ever-growing number of people who are empowered to make films due to the abundance of such software. But so far, they have ignored this market niche altogether.
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Hi Mike,
" Towards the Light 0002 "is a fantastic composition. Brilliantly scored and magically presented . For me it was somewhat an eerie composition not only hearing the music but also watching in anticipation the visions you presented from frame to frame.
Thanks for sharing and providing the technical information for the tech geeks in the crowd.
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Donny, you mentioned that you have some suitable tracks, so that's certainly a great starting point.
Here are my tips that I hope would help get you started.
Create a Story Board. It needs to describe what each part of the video presents to the viewer and what you need/intend to deliver 'musically' for various parts of the video.
Decide if you need to treat the music that goes with the video as one continuous musical phrase or in several different segments to match different scenes, etc.
Timing and Feel are important.
Set BiaB with the a tempo that matches the mood and feel of your vision.
Set the correct number of bars to match that segment, if required.
Don't be afraid to change tempo's and style to create a better fit for certain scenes. An audience needs variety, and will become bored if there is a lack of variance.
Decide on the use of dynamics to emphasize particular scenes, and use F5 to adjust volumes Up/Down accordingly.
Also consider how you can create tension by lifting the volume of only certain instruments (maybe only bass, maybe drums).
Use fills in BiaB with Part Markers to add further emphasis.
Don't believe that the music has to be continuous throughout the vision. Breaks in sound where music is not important can work too, especially as this allows you to introduce new musical phrases to enhance / support changes in scenes etc.
Create further tension by bringing in the music a few seconds before the next scene begins. This adds anticipation.
I presume you will export to Wav or similar and then add these musical phrases with a video editing program, or use some similar technique.
Don't expect to get it right first time. Review what you have created, and don't be afraid to be critical of your achievements, and to make adjustments/improvements along the way if you consider this necessary.
Hope these are of some use.
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See why I love this "family" of friends!?
I can ask a boneheaded question without fear of being flamed. Other sites seem to lay in ambush waiting for an opportunity to shoot others' ideas down.
However, one site gave some great advice stating that I will require two separate agents, one for the music, and one for the video. There seems to be a industry separation between the two. Not that one agent can't handle both, but I would have to submit everything twice.
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Donny, you mentioned that you have some suitable tracks, so that's certainly a great starting point.
Here are my tips that I hope would help get you started.
Create a Story Board. It needs to describe what each part of the video presents to the viewer and what you need/intend to deliver 'musically' for various parts of the video.
Decide if you need to treat the music that goes with the video as one continuous musical phrase or in several different segments to match different scenes, etc.
Timing and Feel are important.
Set BiaB with the a tempo that matches the mood and feel of your vision.
Set the correct number of bars to match that segment, if required.
Don't be afraid to change tempo's and style to create a better fit for certain scenes. An audience needs variety, and will become bored if there is a lack of variance.
Decide on the use of dynamics to emphasize particular scenes, and use F5 to adjust volumes Up/Down accordingly.
Also consider how you can create tension by lifting the volume of only certain instruments (maybe only bass, maybe drums).
Use fills in BiaB with Part Markers to add further emphasis.
Don't believe that the music has to be continuous throughout the vision. Breaks in sound where music is not important can work too, especially as this allows you to introduce new musical phrases to enhance / support changes in scenes etc.
Create further tension by bringing in the music a few seconds before the next scene begins. This adds anticipation.
I presume you will export to Wav or similar and then add these musical phrases with a video editing program, or use some similar technique.
Don't expect to get it right first time. Review what you have created, and don't be afraid to be critical of your achievements, and to make adjustments/improvements along the way if you consider this necessary.
Hope these are of some use.
Trev
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Don, it may be worth asking what you mean by "a movie sound track" If you mean suitable mood music for a home video or photo collage, then BIAB is pretty much the perfect one-stop shop for any mood you might need to match your video. But if you mean background music for a more cinematic movie... one that requires appropriate themes for chase scenes, suspenseful moments, love scenes, dream sequences, comic relief, opening and closing credits etc... BIAB is not exactly overflowing with such styles. You might consider using the style maker to create your own cinema-ready patterns. Or, there are some very good loop companies that specialize in cinematic sound. Here's one I like, and they happen to be having a sale at the moment: https://www.bluezone-corporation.com/formats/wav-samples-downloadunfortunately, a lot of this is sound effects more than thematic bits and pieces. I kind of wish that PGMusic would jump on the cinematic music bandwagon to support the ever-growing number of people who are empowered to make films due to the abundance of such software. But so far, they have ignored this market niche altogether. Thanks for your highly respected input, Pat. I've really enjoyed your cartoon work. I had thought that I would jump in at the proverbial "deep end" and try a movie soundtrack. I have since learned that I am not qualified for obvious reasons. I sincerely believe that BIAB is sufficiently robust but not quite up to the task yet.
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Who cares about "qualifed"? Biab was created to allow us unqualified composers to create something. The big deal with a soundtrack is it has to be coordinated with the video. The "easiest" way is like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_5Cka5FYRkIn the studio with a live orchestra being conducted by a person who's watching the movie live. The music has already been written with all the scenes in mind but the conductor still has to tweak the tempos, pauses and entrances to make it all match up perfectly. And, he probably still misses in a few places which is where all of our magical editing tools come in. A little time stretching here or there, maybe insert a second or two of silence and it's right on. Obviously none of us have any of this to work with. You can still have some fun and experiment. Take a simple little five minute video of a single mountain or cityscape scene or something and work up a five minute Biab song to go with it. Then move on by adding a second scene and do something with that. When you have the vid and the music they have to be merged together and that takes an audio/video program. Windows has Movie Maker built in and it works well enough, check it out. For more elaborate videos you have to spend some cash to get a better program like Vegas Studio for example. I checked it out some time ago and like anything else, it's expensive and very complex. Basically you see the video on the top of your screen and the audio on the bottom and you use various tools to match them up just like you see the conductor doing in the vid I posted. Bob
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I had thought that I would jump in at the proverbial "deep end" and try a movie soundtrack. I have since learned that I am not qualified for obvious reasons. I sincerely believe that BIAB is sufficiently robust but not quite up to the task yet.
what??? who says you aren't qualified? There's a lot of demand for cinematic music right now... even if you never place anything with a major studio, there are lots of hobbyists making movies, and they all need music. You know how to make music. What other qualifications would you need? regarding the 2nd part of your post... I do think that BIAB is "up to the task" especially since film scoring would likely be MIDI intensive, and BIAB started out as a MIDI focused bit of software. At present BIAB doesn't have a lot of cinematic styles that are ready to plug N play... but with a little time spent in stylemaker that could change A lot of cinematic music is built on highly repetitive patterns, so you wouldn't even have to make much more than a few measures of a pattern. Listen to some movie themes on youtube and you'll very quickly start to hear the recurring patterns I'm talking about. Best of luck to you in this endeavor, and please keep us posted.
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Knowing the type and length of the video will affect Biab's ability and use for the audio.
If you are looking for a song to run over a 5 minute home movie as a mood background will elicit different recommendations than an actual soundtrack with sound effects. Biab can do both but each require specific and different approaches and processes.
To quickly demonstrate the first example, which is very, very easy within Biab, follow these instructions:
Access Generate Soundtrack from the Melody Menu....
There you will find you can choose genre, style and more.
Note that you can load demo songs or generate your soundtrack from the existing song that's open
Generate SoundTrack can load and use ANY sgu file.
You will see you can set the whole song, a specific range of bars, the duration tempo, whether to include the count in and fade ins/fade outs. If the song length does not cover the complete length of your video, you can select for your soundtrack song to automatically loop.
If you movie or video requires more than a standard Biab song, varying moods/emotions and sound effects. You would split these sections of your video into their respective lengths and create separate biab sgu songs for each individual section.
Also note that audio sound effects can be imported into Biab, moved to performance tracks and mixed with your Biab generated audio.
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