Currently am trying to generate a soloist track.
Soloist, I believe bounces off the melody track for its
source.
Wanted to copy/move the track from PIANO RT 1865 which
is playing some fine music.
Did the copy move thing "Move selected channels to" in the case melody.
The piano track is a RT, and Ya know what.
It copied "note for note" the RT content to what accidentally was a midi piano
in melody track and plays just fine.
This will allow the soloist to pick up what it needs, but sometime in the future
this little gotcha(good one) may be helpful elsewhere.
Just wanted to share.
BTW, the Melody now just plays fantastic with the midi piano.
You mean it copied the piano Real Track onto the melody track and converted it to a midi track? Mmmm, interesting.
Yes precisely, floored me...
This is result...very much WIP, but you get the gist of it.
http://www.mp3cloud.mobi/DirtyStatus2.MIDAdded another RT conversion....
http://www.mp3cloud.mobi/DirtyStatus2mor.MIDAnd yes I tried changing the MIDI voicing, worked great,
albeit Piano rif's dont fit other instruments very well
maybe vibes.
Am going to experiment some more with this, as time permits.
BTW, am using the RT source version for melody in new song
working on.
Hi Frank,
A number of Realtracks have a silent midi track underlying them. This midi track is what is used to create the Realchart notation. Since it is midi, it contains all the information needed for playing; it's just that the volume is set to zero. From the sounds of things, it is this underlying midi track that has come into play (pun intended).
The above being said, I had no idea that this could be accomplished by using copy/paste. Thank you for the information. It's a handy discovery. I'll add it to my BIAB toolbox
All the best,
Noel
Noel,
Don't think copy/paste.... BUT?
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EDIT>Copy/Move Tracks.
Set pop up as follows:
1. Enter Source track.
2. Action "move selected Channels to.
3. Soloist or Melody track.
4. OK -Do it.
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I just repeated this and worked good.
"You MAY have to have a midi track already there, have not
pursued that fully.
THZZZ, learning something like this is Sidetracking new song work.
I just tried the same thing on a song and I did work exactly they way he said.
1. I put in the chords for the old Dixieland Standard "Just A Closer Walk With Thee" using a RT style of _DIXIELD.STY
2. Generated the song and it played using 100% RealTracks
3. Clicked on SOLOIST and used Solo Style 1865 Piano, Acoustic, Soloist WesternSwingJohn Sw 165\
4. When it generated the solo, the Solo went track from White to Green and it did play a pretty mean solo I must say.
5. Moved the solo track to the melody track as per the instructions
6. The melody track went from White to Yellow indicating a midi track was now present
7. Played the song again with the soloist track muted and heard the identical piano track playing in Midi format. I could tell it was Midi from the very cheesy Microsoft Wave Synth sound. God that is awful!
8. I then pressed F6 to create a standard MIDI file and once that was done, played the resulting MIDI file using the standard Windows Media Player.
9. Can some one explain this to me?
10. After doing all this, I absolutely have no idea what I am going to use it for but it sure was fun accomplishing it.
JC.
Just put it into your tool box for future use.
Not cool enough to be a blessing but just a nice "extra" feature.
Good accidents do happen, not often, but they do.
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10. After doing all this, I absolutely have no idea what I am going
to use it for but it sure was fun accomplishing it.
Your Steps 4 & 5 in themselves are useful.....
Create the solo, move it to melody, then create another solo.
BTW, PG has Forte for think it is $40 bucks, not too bad for the money.
Glad another person run it thru...Thanks
This is very likely a BUG and may just get fixed in a future program update, so be aware that it may not be something to lean on for long...
--Mac
Mac,
Even if it is a bug, my original goal was to move a RT track to
Melody or Soloist.
So end results will still be good.
Have a good one!
Well, maybe development could come up with a way to have the program still be able to do both things, since it is already doing the one. Its just that the thing it is doing is not what one would expect to happen, given the command.
You like this "feature" -- but along will come someone who loses the RealTrack that they wanted to KEEP and...
Two more buttons or checkboxes and there's the best of both worlds.
--Mac
Here, here! Although after awhile I thought that the reason for that was what Noel explained above about the underlying midi notes being there in some RT's. It's still interesting how it was done though, but I can see Mac's point too, and yet it would be good if the "bug" gets implemented as a bonus feature somehow without interfering with the intended purpose. I'm assuming that this is happening on 2012.5, right?
Thanks
Several years ago now, when RealTracks first came out, PG Music paid me to transcribe the soloists blowing over chord changes to produce some of the guitar and sax RealTracks, so I knew there were MIDI notes 'under' many of the RealTracks. This would be a MIDI track that was pretty close to what you heard. However, MIDI just doesn't cut it for lipping notes or playing a gliss etc. Although there are pitch to MIDi converters, they have a lot of trouble with certain instruments.
I did the best I could with the tool at hand. I always assumed the transcriptions were needed by the program.
There is an EDIT>COPY/MOVE tracks function built in.
Due to my ignorance I just assumed it would move a RealTrack.
And got the MIDI results.
Also Matt's comments would identify the poor quality of the Electric
guitar transfer.
I thought the Piano transfer sounded pretty good tho.
Transcription versus Live playing two different "Cats".
Listening to you folks conversations regarding qualities of RealTracks and
also midi versus "Real Live" performances was very enlightening to me.
Your earing of the music is critically tuned to hear these difference.
I think that that feature is there since the introduction of realcharts. You can save any realtrack to a midi file if that realtrack has a realchart associated simply saving your song as MIDI. However, you must select the "Save realcharts to midi files" option on the "Realtracks options" window. It works very well for many RT, especially for pianos.
saving the realtrack to midi is one thing BUT having a library that can play that correctly is very rare for some instruments. It has to be one of the top class libs & for me (for the aforementioned guitar) then I have only found a couple that can faithfully play the midi's. Efimov nylon guitar being one of them. Garritan just doesn't cut it for the realcharts converted to midi
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I think that that feature is there since the introduction of realcharts. You can save any realtrack to a midi file if that realtrack has a realchart associated simply saving your song as MIDI. However, you must select the "Save realcharts to midi files" option on the "Realtracks options" window. It works very well for many RT, especially for pianos.
Yes. And there's nothing mysterious about that edit=>copy/move functionality when you think about it. All it's doing is re-channelizing any midi data associated with the source track. If the source track is RT & RC it simply re-channels the RC data so they appear to be transferred to the target track - Well, they *are* transferred, since the target track's channel replaces the original channel. The RT audio remains active in the source track. (If you don't want it there, you can kill it.) If there is a RT but no RC, you get an error message when trying the move. (The error msg incorrectly names a different track as the one being "empty", but it makes its point.) If the source track's midi was generated by the style, ie. the traditional way, it too can be moved using the function. If you truly want a move - ie. for the source track to stay empty - you gotta take care to reconfigure so that the next time you hit play, the style doesn't regenerate midi for the source track.
Channel number is an attribute of all channel specific voice midi events. (It's the second nibble of the status byte, in case there's another nerd here 
) Re-channeling functionality is as old as the original midi sequencers. (Anyone remember Voyetra Sequencer Plus, running under DOS?)
The unique aspects of BB are so exciting, it's easy to lose track (pun intended) of the good old fashioned midi sequencer functionality that's buried in there as well. EDIT - I agree, though, that the interface isn't informative about what's actually happening, and it's easy to assume that RT audio would move.
As Noel says, thanks to all for the reminder that this functionality is there.
-Ron
I believe I asked this question over a year ago and got the answer from the Horses Mouth Dr Peter Gannon himself, so seems its no bug.
http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.p...true#Post314461musiclover
It might be a nice extra to include all midi-data like velocity and sustainpedal on the midi-track. We'd have a lot of extra supertracks.
Rob,
Vol, Pan, and reverb had setting inserted, as well as pedal control
quite a few places in the song. Also velocity ranges were from
about 8 to 125, which is reflect in the midi to mp3 conversion.
The first link in the third post down, does sound
like some attributes are in the midi.
I did not do anything but render and create the mp3.
This may not be the case in all instances, so you have a valid suggestion.
Have a nice day.
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It might be a nice extra to include all midi-data like velocity and sustainpedal on the midi-track. We'd have a lot of extra supertracks.
As seeker has pointed out, that data is already there.
If it wasn't, the SuperTracks wouldn't be so super...
--Mac
Indeed , It's a wonderful option in Biab. I got it working. Will it also work in realband?
How is that data already there Mac? Didn't you also do some of those Real Tracks transcriptions? When you did that, did you also insert midi vol and sustain commands? If not then how did they get there? I thought the transcriptions were for notation and that's it, not to create a good sounding playable midi file. I admit this doesn't make sense to me but that's just me I guess. If someone took all the time and effort to insert the midi dynamics and other controllers into these transcriptions then why wasn't this touted all along? That would be pretty cool.
Bob
I'm not Mac, but about the transcriptions, I can't give proprietary details. I also can't speak for anyone else's work, but if you played my MIDI transcription on the left and the original audio on the right as I did to test, you wouldn't hear much difference.
Note that in my previous post I specified the MIDI SuperTracks and NOT the RealTracks.
Personally I would NEVER attempt to use the MIDI that accompanies a RealTrack to actually play a part, simply because of the lack of what we MIDIOTS call the "performance data" -- those parameters already mentioned. There are some cases where a Real Instrument was used along with a MIDI capture device and both were recorded simultaneously, but I can't easily figure out which ones are like that and they may either be few and far between or nonexistent.
But I'm not very likely to want to try to get a RealTrack to play my assigned notes either. Because that is what we already have, a MIDI sampler, and using the MIDI sampler, hardware or software is the right tool for that job.
The noob at MIDI will often think that simply changing a Patch will change the Instrument Part. Things like changing Piano track to Vibes. But then you have a Vibes player with ten mallets. Or attempts to change a Piano to Organ, you yield an organist who does not know how to voice for the organ. Or an organ that does the realworld impossibility of being Touch/Velocity sensitive, etc.
One thing I've learned painfully years back is that any attempts to shortcut things in the studio typically don't work very well in the production...
--Mac