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I have the UltraPak "Audiophile Edition" on the external hard drive, and have been really getting into practicing along with Band-In-A-Box. I play several instruments, but currently I'm concentrating on the flute; I started on it in April of last year. So I still consider myself a beginner on the flute, and I realize I have a lot to learn. Part of my progress so far on the instrument has to be credited to BIAB... I have so much fun playing Real Book tunes with BIAB that I can sometimes play for hours and forget about the time. :-)

I've recently been rehearsing with a vocalist (Paula) who is a very good jazz singer, and I think we're going to work well together as a duo, with BIAB as our backing combo. One thing that is great about BIAB is the ability to generate separate .wav files for each instrument. I've taken some BIAB songs and rendered the audio to .wav files (using all RealTracks), and imported these to a DAW called Reaper (highly recommended). I've recorded flute and vocal tracks along with the imported BIAB instrument tracks on several standards, and created a MySpace page to showcase these tunes. You can listen to my current material at the following page:

http://www.myspace.com/elegancemusicinfo

All of the rhythm section instruments were originally generated by BIAB and transferred to Reaper for multitracking, recording and mixing. I'll let you folks be the judge, but I feel that the quality of these mixes is in large part the result of being able to use the RealTracks in my mixes. Hats off to Peter Gannon & the PG Music developers for creating such an outstanding piece of software.. And I haven't even scratched the surface of its capabilities yet.

I'll also be using BIAB as my accompaniment (live) on upcoming gigs, both as a soloist, and with my vocalist as a duo. Fun stuff!

Regards,
Doug
Hi Doug,

An excellent outcome - well done

I have been using BIAB for backing tracks for some ten years and agree with you that with the advent of all the Realxxx's it has pushed it to a very high level

jazzman
Excellent work in every aspect. A fantastic listen. Thank you for posting the link.

Noel
Hi Doug,

Good sounds there.

And Welcome to the Forum!



--Mac
Thanks, guys, for the comments & compliments. I'll be working on some more mixes this week from my rehearsal/recording session with Paula this past Sunday. I posted one of the tunes from that session last night- "Summertime". So far, I've kept the production very simple on these songs- nothing but the BIAB instrument tracks, vocals, and flute, because that's pretty much how we're going to sound live. If I make a CD, I might dress things up a bit with sampled strings and whatnot.

Mac, I remember you from my previous lurking on the forums here... Your location caught my eye, because I was in the U.S. Army "TRADOC" Band at Fort Monroe in Hampton for over 13 years, from the mid '70s to late '80s. A major part of my 22-year career with the Army Bands. I wonder if you might know guitarist Bob Roetker, who I worked with there at the Ft. Monroe band. He's also an avid BIAB user and has been sighted on these forums. I'll wager that there's a bunch of former and retired military band folks on here, in fact.

--db
I don't know if I've met or seen Bob or not, as you say, the service bands provide a lot of musicians to the area, many of whom elect to stay here and live after their military band service.

I'm USAF band alumni, which kind of makes for a bit of parochial fun when we do manage to get together, the majority here being Army or Navy band alumni, but not exclusively so.

Always thrilled to meet any service band member and the door is always open to same here.


--Mac
Nice work Doug! You and Paula sound great!

I bet others are interested in the process of starting in BB, and going to the finished product, as you have done.
For example, did you edit the RealTracks at all, or just take them 'as is'. What type of effects were added. How were the vocals and flute recorded? What other tools were used? That type of thing....

If you have time to post something on that, the ideal forum for that would be the Tips n Tricks forum.
Holy smokes! Mr. PG Himself!

(picking myself up off the floor)

Thank you, Peter. I would be happy to provide details of how I arrived at this recorded product using BB, including the recording session details, mics, editing, processing, etc.. In fact, I've already explained most of this to one of my facebook friends, so I'll take that explanation, do a little wordsmithing, and post it in the Tips'n'Tricks forum. Since I love to play and record, I can blab all day long about this! But I think I'll do some reading here, too, because there's always something new to learn. ;-)

Best Regards,
Doug
Very professional sounding Doug. The recording sounds fantastic, gotta love those Real Tracks. Biab is my favorite "go to" software for creating music with. Paula is an amazing singer with an incredible voice. You two make an awesome duo team. I loved the Flute chops as well. In fact, all of your tracks sound professional.

I am also in Southern California, about an hour north of you.

I really enjoyed your music, thanks for posting it. Keep on track'n !!

Trax
Doug,

1st of all dittos on the welcome to the forum, secondly you cats sound great! I especially liked When Sunny Gets Blue and your great flute playing on Fly Me To The Moon. Congratulations on some very fine work.

Later,
Very professional recordings and impressive playing and singing. I sampled a few of the tunes and they were all top notch.

Kevin
Hi Doug. I was in the Langley Band from 1970 to 1976. I played piano (still do). We've had to have crossed paths. I worked every now and then with Bob R. and Tom J. Bob and I have exchanged a couple of e-mails. I've been using BIAB since 1995. Love the program. The Real Tracks and Real Drums are great! Later, Ray M.
Doug:
Really great stuff...you and Paula sound fine together, and your flute work is very nice. As a clarinetist who is sometimes forced to double on flute, I am really impressed with your flute chops. Thanks for sharing!
Doug;

You and Paula make a really good team. I liked all of your songs. Great arrangements, flute and vocals. I went to boot camp in San Diego, and used to enjoy the night blooming jasmine in the evenings as we walked to Ocean Beach to build a fire and drink beer. Some nice memories of your town. Thank you for posting.

Gene
Hi Doug

Nice work, you and Paula sound great !

Happy playing
André
Thank you all for your kind words! Paula doesn't use BB, but I've forwarded the URL for this thread to her, and she said she really appreciates the encouragement.

I'll check in sometime later- gotta go to my day job now...

Best,
Doug
Doug,

Outstanding!

Steve
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Hi Doug. I was in the Langley Band from 1970 to 1976. I played piano (still do). We've had to have crossed paths. I worked every now and then with Bob R. and Tom J. Bob and I have exchanged a couple of e-mails. I've been using BIAB since 1995. Love the program. The Real Tracks and Real Drums are great! Later, Ray M.




Hi, Ray - well, we overlapped for a year or two in Hampton. You do seem familiar, although I don't remember if we actually met. I got there in early '75. Did you by chance know a guy from the Langley band named Walt Street? I don't remember if he played an instrument, but he was certainly a good singer- wonderful booming baritone voice. Imagine Lou Rawls' voice, but even fuller and richer. He performed the vocal on a song demo of mine, and did a great job. I think that was probably around '78, so he may have gotten to Langley after you left.

Bob Roetker is one of the finest guitarists I've had the pleasure to know, and he has been very generous with his BIAB help and song collection. You jazz fans should check out Bob's youtube videos. He is a huge part of the Cincinnati jazz scene- wish I lived in Ohio so I could catch him sometime. The spirit of Joe Pass lives on through Bob's playing.

I remember Tom Jeffrey's excellent stage band drumming at Ft. Monroe. He still plays, from what I heard.

Take care, & see you around.
Doug
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Doug:
Really great stuff...you and Paula sound fine together, and your flute work is very nice. As a clarinetist who is sometimes forced to double on flute, I am really impressed with your flute chops. Thanks for sharing!




Thanks! Well, I've been primarily a clarinet player (and electric bassist) for most of my adult life, but since last year, I've been playing mostly flute, and my poor clarinet feels neglected, collecting dust in the corner. Like I mentioned, I've only been playing flute since last April ('08), so I am still a beginner, stumbling around, but I do appreciate the compliments. Listenting to flutists like Bill McBirnie, Sir James Galway, Lori Bell, Linda Chatterton, Yusef Lateef, Robert Dick, Nestor Torres, Holly Hoffman, and many others too numerous to mention, have inspired me to try to learn this instrument.

There are many things I like about the flute, but my favorite are: A) a beautiful flute tone almost brings tears to my eyes (okay, I'll 'fess up, it actually has brought tears to my eyes, in the case of Linda Chatterton's beautiful version of Debussy's "Arabesque #1" with harp accompaniment), B) there are no reeds to mess with! and C) I have much better endurance on the flute than on the clarinet.

But I will probably get back to the clarinet, cautiously. I may pick up a 'C' clarinet, so that I can read off the same parts as the flute and not have to transpose. I said "cautiously" above, because there is a school of thought that contends that reed instrument playing, particularly clarinet, can be damaging to one's flute playing. We'll see.

Regards,
Doug
I will venture to say that it is that Bass playing experience that comes in handy for you today on the wind instruments.

A better perspective on the thing, so to speak.


--Mac
Quote:

I will venture to say that it is that Bass playing experience that comes in handy for you today on the wind instruments.

A better perspective on the thing, so to speak.


--Mac




You may be right, Mac- as a bass player, I'm definitely conscious of the chord progressions in whatever I'm playing. I think my challenge, with the flute or clarinet, involves trying to play more melodically and less 'vertically'.

--db
Hi Doug those are great renditions! My wife plays flute and has for a lot longer than you. You play circles around her in the jazz venue though. You mix/blend works very well. I hope you and Paula get lots of commercial gigs.

Stan
Hi Doug. I worked with Walt for about a year. Great singer. Now-a-days Walt works a single with karaoke CDs, in addition to his day gig at a small Army(?) depot near Richmond. Glad to hear that you like BIAB. It's a great program. Later, Ray
Very impressive, this is great stuff. I was in a three piece group called Just Friends down in LA Calif area all all over the Valley. We did a lot of this stuff in dinner clubs. My favorite venue of all.

Great job, welcome to the forum.
Thanks Ray, toucher, and Stan, for your comments.

Ray- thanks for the info on Walt Street. I'm sure he can karaoke with the best of 'em- a true talent.

Stan- thanks for the kind words. Well, although I've been playing the flute for only a little over a year, I've been a musician for a long time on other instruments (I started on clarinet in 5th grade, circa 1965!), and as you probably know, there are a lot of musical skills which quickly transfer to a new instrument. An Am7 arpeggio is still an Am7 arpeggio, whether it's played on a trumpet, flute, or bass. Each instrument has it's unique problems of tone production and fingerings, of course, and that's the main challenge, I guess.

Plus there are differences in the function of different instruments in a given genre. But it's all music. I think playing several instruments gives one a broader perspective on music overall, because you come to understand each instrument's function and contribution to the whole, as Mac alluded to above. Know what I mean?

toucher - glad to see you on MySpace, too. Yes, we may be on the dinner club circuit, eventually. Thanks!

Best,
Doug
Hi Doug. I certainly agree with your major point re different instruments. However, I sure wish I had learned the piano or guitar before playing the trumpet. If I had, the simple arranging I'm trying to do now would be a lot easier for this old curmudgeon.
Very nice work. Excellent mixing. Thanks for sharing!

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Thanks, PgFantastic!

Shastastan - you may be right about learning a chording instrument before (or simultaneously with) a melodic instrument. I came from a musical family. My mom played a Lowery organ at our house back in the '60s, when I started on the clarinet (I was 10). The Lowery was a two-tiered keyboard with a bass pedalboard. She was no Lenny Dee on it, but she could read and play fairly well. So I became familiar with the basics of chords (and hearing how the bass lines fit in) at about the same time I started my music studies. Plus, music was played often on the stereo. My dad didn't play an instrument, but he was an avid listener. He had a couple of Pete Fountain records which I would play along with, trying to copy his phrases note-for-note. I particularly remember Pete's album "At the Bateau Lounge", on Coral Records (1960). I played it so many times that I can still hear most of it in my head. I think that the practice of relying on my ear from the very beginning, as well as hearing and seeing a chording instrument being played, helped me to pick up the bass guitar and other instruments without too much effort, in my adult life.

I've heard that learning additional languages works in a similar way to learning additional musical instruments- we've heard of people who can speak 4 or 8 or 15 languages fluently, and it seems like a miracle. But they say that the first additional language is the most difficult, the second is a bit easier, and subsequent languages can be picked up even more easily. Because all human languages have many things in common- verbs, nouns, adjectives, syntax similarities. The same thing is true of musical instruments- the elements of music are common among all instruments. So if you become really familiar with the commonalities, the particulars can be picked up without too much trouble.

As far as arranging goes, yes, that's a special skill, but I think it relies upon familiarity with the commonalities of music, mainly. As well as creative aspects of musical expression similar to how a painter chooses to mix the colors in his palette. I haven't really tried my hand at traditional arranging, so I will have to defer to the experts in this area. But I do believe that knowing several instruments (melodic, chordal, and percussive instruments) can be a help in arranging (and mixing, and producing), because you become familiar with how all the instruments fit together to form a particular sonic texture.

Regards,
Doug
Funny; your backing band sounds just like mine.
Nice flute and vocals! well done!

Mike Laatz
Capetownjazz.com
Quick note - I have just posted details about the Elegance Music recording sessions I've done so far, over here:
http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showfl...ge=0#Post227372

Hope this is helpful to you guys when you try a project like this.
Many thanks Doug. That's a great article, and should help a lot of people.
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