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Posted By: Danny A SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 07:08 PM
Hello,

Is there live playback software that does the things ShowPlay 5 does? http://www.showplay.com/

Mostly I just playback Standard MIDI Files for my solo act and edit them beforehand with Cakewalk 6.0.

Being able to make playlists, scroll lyrics, loop sections on the fly, etc are all really important.

Presently I use an old serial port version of ShowPlay 3 and it would cost $250 to upgrade to the USB version. I use a Roland JV1010 module for the Standard MIDI File sound source.

I have no idea if BIAB or RealBand or Power Tracks are very well suited for live Standard MIDI File playback for my solo act and making playlists, scrolling lyrics, looping sections on the fly, etc.

Now don't get me wrong, BIAB, RealBand and Power Tracks look interesting and I am reviewing online demos etc and perhaps I will at some point want to use some version of PG Music software live in a more expanded manner...however my priority is specifically and to the point live Standard MIDI File playback for my solo act and making playlists, scrolling lyrics, looping sections on the fly, etc. with the grace and efficiency of ShowPlay 5 ttp://www.showplay.com/

Thanks so much,

Danny
Posted By: Muzic Trax Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 07:12 PM
Danny,

Biab and RB are more suited for making the backing tracks. Those SMF files were probably made with Biab. Just a FYI.

Yes, they will play a SMF and show the lyrics.

Trax
Posted By: MikeK Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 07:12 PM
Hi Danny, BIAB 2010 is more suited than ever to do live shows with. RealTracks generate in seconds - super fast! Couldn't go with anything better.

Cheers,
Mike
Posted By: MikeK Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 07:20 PM
I looked at showplay ... naw ... I wouldn't want that one even for free, to be honest.

Cheers,
Mike
Posted By: Rob Helms Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 07:32 PM
I use .kar files, or midi files with lyrics embedded in both RB and PT, and it scrolls the lyrics and chords, and i find it to work very nice. Others prefer BiaB since it has the conductor feature and you can repeat a chorus or two with a click. I just do the songs as they are and it works great for me.
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 07:36 PM
Quote:

Danny,

Biab and RB are more suited for making the backing tracks. Those SMF files were probably made with Biab. Just a FYI.

Yes, they will play a SMF and show the lyrics.

Trax


Nope my SMF's were definitely not made by BIAB software. I am very familiar with the character and limitations of BIAB SMF's.

BIAB SMF's simply cannot get "note for note" equivalence of the actual covers tunes like a well programed SMF can.
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 07:56 PM
Quote:

Hi Danny, BIAB 2010 is more suited than ever to do live shows with. RealTracks generate in seconds - super fast! Couldn't go with anything better.

Cheers,
Mike


OK but can it get "note for note" equivalence of the actual covers tunes like a well programmed SMF?

I think I am very familiar with the character and limitations of BIAB SMF's (not RealTracks though as this is new to me). I need backing tracks not simply similar in overall style to the cover tune I am playing, I need "note for note" equivalence of the actual covers.

I can't imagine doing "Back In The USSR" by the Beatles or "Pipeline" by the Chantays or "Wild Horses" by the Rolling Stones using BIAB styles!

I say this because I have never heard a BIAB SMF that really came close to the three covers (as examples) mentioned.

However when it comes to Jazz / Pop standards then yes I have heard BIAB styles that get in the ballpark but that's because those tunes have been done by so many artists in so many different ways for so long that a "note for note" equivalence of the original not significant for my solo act.

However with more modern cover tunes BIAB styles don't cut it. And from what little I have heard of RealTracks though they sound much more realistic they are simply stylistic "quotes" and again cannot provide "note for note" equivalence of the original

Now maybe I am wrong about all this but that's been my experience to date and I would be happy to be shown to be incorrect!
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 08:11 PM
Quote:

I looked at showplay ... naw ... I wouldn't want that one even for free, to be honest.

Cheers,
Mike


OK that's fine. I have been using ShowPlay for years and I have not found anything yet that can playback SMF's with equal aplomb except maybe

MIDI Maestro for $100
http://www.midimaestro.com/index.html

Now since you wouldn't want that one even for free I exhume you must be able to use BIAB software live for a solo act in a way that can match ShowPlay?

In particular as to relates to making playlists, scrolling lyrics, looping sections on the fly and all the other live functionalities of ShowPlay including global transpose and global tempo etc?

I would be thrilled if you told me the some BIAB software can be used live with the aplomb of ShowPlay as I would prefer BIAB software (for its more creative functionalities) if it can be used live similarly to ShowPlay!

Obliged,

Danny
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 08:21 PM
Quote:

I use .kar files, or midi files with lyrics embedded in both RB and PT, and it scrolls the lyrics and chords, and i find it to work very nice. Others prefer BiaB since it has the conductor feature and you can repeat a chorus or two with a click. I just do the songs as they are and it works great for me.




Yes if the SMF's have the "kar" extension then they contain lyrics however many of my SMF's do not have the "kar" extension.

Now with ShowPlay all I need to do is get a text files of the lyrics, and give it the same file name as the SMF and it will display the lyrics while it plays the SMF.

This suites me perfectly because I type in the chords above the lyrics in the text file and then entire song can be seen at once as opposed to scrolling lyrics.

Can BIAB software show an entire lyric text file at the same time as it play the SMF?

The thing is I am not a fan of scrolling lyrics, I want to see the entire lyric sheet (with the chord symbols above the lyric) all at once.

Can BIAB do this?

I would be thrilled if it can!
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 09:07 PM
I hope you-all understand that I am in no way putting down BIAB software and I may end up buying it (for entirely different uses) but let's be clear with respect to this thread!

I do not want to make SMF's that simply have a style similar to the original cover tune. Therefore if I was to use BIAB software for my live solo act to make SMF's it would have to be "note for note" equivalence of the actual cover tunes like a well programmed SMF. I do not believe it can do this even using RealTracks (correct me if I am wrong).

Again I want the things that ShowPlay can do in a live setting for my solo act (including but not limited to):

- make playlists.
- scroll lyrics (even better would be to show the lyrics in their entirety via text files).
- loop sections on the fly.
- global transpose.
- global tempo.
- foot switch control.
- play from 1st note.
- sysex reset.
- all on-stage functions by single keystrokes
- Integrated word processor. Lyrics extracted from any MIDI or mp3, when present. Cut-and-paste from elsewhere. Insert images, i.e. scanned lead sheets. Scroll any lyrics over song's duration, with no work.
- Find songs just by typing letters. Works for title and artist alike.
- Screen layout completely configurable. Resize panels, indicators, lyrics area, etc.
- Never wait, songs load with no delay, no fuss.
- Lots of etc's.

Please check out the ShowPlay Features and tell me with assurance whether there is or is not BIAB software that can do these things with SMF playback for a live solo act.

ShowPlay Features
http://www.showplay.com/specs-detailed.htm

If there is no BIAB software that can emulate ShowPlay for a live solo act which of the things that ShowPlay can do, can BIAB software also do, and which ones can't it do?

Also any views on MIDI Maestro (which AFAICT) is the only true competitor to ShowPlay for SMF live playback, however MIDI Maestro seems more geared to theater use and multimedia. I'm not 100% sure though!

http://www.midimaestro.com/index.html

Truly appreciative and Merry Christmas!

Cheers,

Danny
Posted By: silvertones Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 09:18 PM
Danny if all you're doing is playing professionally made SMF you don't need any of the PG programs. This is a free one and is quite good in my opinion.

http://www.vanbasco.com/
Posted By: Ryszard Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 09:38 PM
Danny,

. . . But welcome to a fellow JV-1010 user. Nice box, innit?

R.
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 10:07 PM
Quote:

Danny if all you're doing is playing professionally made SMF you don't need any of the PG programs. This is a free one and is quite good in my opinion.

http://www.vanbasco.com/


Well I do far more than simply play professionally made SMF's however as mentioned in my first post, as it specifically relates to live SMF playback and my solo act I edit them beforehand with Cakewalk 6.0.

You know...remove needless parts, channel-ize, convert from 0 to type 1 as needed, apply many types of normalization so that all my backing tracks have consistency, edit controller 7, remove mistakes, humanize, the usual stuff to make them sound professional (well more so any-who).

I used to build all my backing tracks from scratch in real time, but that was a long time ago, and with the plethora of easily available SMF's on the Internet it's not worth it for me any more. Now all I have to do is find the ones I like and edit them to taste.

As to the vanBasco MIDI file player it's very basic and does not have anywhere near the live functionality of ShowPlay or for that matter MIDI Maestro.

I would be very happy to be wrong on this but I keep my eyes and ears pretty open and have yet to see any dedicated live SMF players that can even approach either ShowPlay or MIDI Maestro!

Interestingly before the advent of SMF playback software and suitable laptops I used a Roland MC500 II (and before that a Yamaha QX1).

The Roland MC500 II can still do many things that most software based SMF players cannot touch (less the lyrics thing). In fact the Roland MC500 II can do a lot of what ShowPlay can do including loop points and foot-switch control! Alas it's 3.5" floppy based and its display sux and it's useless for lyrics.

The QX1 uses 5 1/4" floppies with a drive that constantly spun to improve random access and because the RAM was too low to load an entire song at once.

The price of progress I suppose.
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 10:15 PM
Quote:

Danny,

. . . But welcome to a fellow JV-1010 user. Nice box, innit?

R.


A totally killer box for the size and price! I have two of them and use one with my Axon AX100sb and one for SMF playback.

The one for my Axon AX100sb has the Orchestral Board installed; yum! Pretty silly front panel access but with SoundDiver on a wind98 machine all is well.

One day I am going to go the laptop - software route of sample playback for my Axon AX100sb and SMF's but...

REAKTOR 5 perhaps.
Posted By: silvertones Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/21/09 10:25 PM
Ok so you want more then a player. You do extensive edits. That's all good. So now let's not talk BIAB let's talk Real Band. In RB you could take your note for note as you call them SMFs and import to RB. You can do a lot of editing right here. There are many parts within a song of the type you are doing that are nothing special. This is were Real Tracks can make your tunes really stand out. The same with Real Drums. I've played this music since I was 12 and I'm now 58 so I've done it a fair amount as well. You need to do the hooks, the stops etc. that make that song recognizable for what it is. If all you did was replace the crappy midi rhythm guitar players with Real Tracks & did Real Drums you'd pee your pants.
RB also has a juke box and you can do scrolling lyrics and a chord sheet.
BTW I used a Roland MC50II for many years. JV module, Alesis d4, strummer all the crap. I'm 100% RB.
Posted By: Rob Helms Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 12:02 AM
What he said without the pants peeing and such!

In RB, you can use the lyrics window to paste in the lyrics and chords. Heck if you upgraded your cakewalk you can do that there as well. I also use MTS as i mentioned in another thread and it has a lyrics and chords window
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 02:00 AM
Quote:

Ok so you want more then a player. You do extensive edits. That's all good. So now let's not talk BIAB let's talk Real Band. In RB you could take your note for note as you call them SMFs and import to RB. You can do a lot of editing right here. There are many parts within a song of the type you are doing that are nothing special. This is were Real Tracks can make your tunes really stand out. The same with Real Drums. I've played this music since I was 12 and I'm now 58 so I've done it a fair amount as well. You need to do the hooks, the stops etc. that make that song recognizable for what it is. If all you did was replace the crappy midi rhythm guitar players with Real Tracks & did Real Drums you'd pee your pants.
RB also has a juke box and you can do scrolling lyrics and a chord sheet.
BTW I used a Roland MC50II for many years. JV module, Alesis d4, strummer all the crap. I'm 100% RB.


I exhume you're a keyboard player? I'm a singer / guitarist / guitar synth player.

I never use any SMF guitar parts. Also I only use a very few SMF monophic solo lines preferring (naturally enough) to play as much as I can from my guitar (such as sax lines etc). I also play as much keyboard as possible from my guitar synth. I also sometimes layer both guitar and keys from my guitar synth.

However the idea of using RB with my existing SMF's by replacing parts is very interesting but...

Have you been able to take high quality SMF's of the three below tunes and replace the SMF drums and bass with RB drums and bass parts?

"Drive" The Cars
"Red Red Wine" UB40
"Wild Horses" The Rolling Stones

Note that I chose these three because the drums and bass are somewhat idiosyncratic to the individual tune. Now I can't see how they could be replaced with generic RB styles, but perhaps I'm mistaken (I like to be wrong if it means I get to do something better-easy-to-implement).

However I play a large number of cover tunes in which the drums and bass need to be the same as the covers and can't be transplanted with generic RB parts (well at least I cannot see how they could and still be the cover tunes but again I may be wrong).

Now you may well be able to use RB parts for guitar, solo woodwinds (and SMF parts that are simply poorly done) but I never have guitar parts or solo woodwinds in my SMF's preferring (as discussed) to play them myself. In fact a large number of my backing tracks are simply drums and bass because I can do so much with my Brian Moore i2.13 guitar, Axon AX100sb, Roland JV1010 and TC Helicon VoiceWorks in real-time.

Then the question comes up of consistency. It's really important for me to have all my drum and bass backing tracks to be very consistent from song to song. I cannot have some backing tracks using RB drums and some backing tracks using SMF drums. That would be a nightmare for me to mix in a live situation.

Understandably I have edited all my SMF's so that I can play any of them in any order at any time and they will all mesh perfectly in terms of the kick drum levels, high-hat levels, bass guitar range etc. So if I was to replace my SMF drums and bass I would have to do it with all my songs. Do you think this would be practical I wonder?

OK, now on to the juke box feature (ie scrolling lyrics and chord sheet) and the problems as I see them...

What if I do not want scrolling lyrics and a chord sheet? What if I want no-scrolling text (as edited prior by me or for that matter scanned in) showing the entire tune all at once and I want this text to take up the vast majority of the laptop screen so as to get maximum readability at a distance but still be able to select any song in any order at any time via foot-switches or a single key stroke? ShowPlay can do this type of thing easily what about BIAB?

At the moment it seems that Muzik Trax is most correct when he says "Biab and RB are more suited for making the backing tracks." as compared to ShowPlay or MIDI Maestro which are built for the express purpose of live MIDI / SMF / Audio/ text etc playback.

However if you would be so kind as to address further my questions as they relate to RB and replacing drums and bass parts of SMF's I would be forever in your debt!

That's interesting that you're 58, I'm 54 and have been a fulltime working solo musician for many years; however I now teach fulltime so I don't gig anywhere near as much as I once did.

Merry Christmas and I do thank you ever so much for reading this long thing!

Obliged,

Danny
Posted By: Rob Helms Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 04:07 AM
Danny you are confusing RB with BiaB a tad. RB is a full sequencer, and it does not have to rely on the BiaB styles to generate a song.

In BiaB you get the styles "version" of a song. You can start from a midi file, but it works better to generate a song in the style of. RB and PTPA both will open up and refine midi files. You can add real tracks to them with ease. I do this all the time. Some songs i want the full flavor of the original, and some songs i want it to be my interpretation of the song, so I use the sty;e system.

Some songs i want the drums to sound like the original song so i use a VSTi drum program like jamstix or something, on others i might add a flavor to the song maybe i want it to be a reggae or samba beat so i generate drums with Real Drums.
Posted By: Ryszard Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 08:41 AM
Danny A,

Quote:

I exhume you're a keyboard player




I assume that you mean "assume." "Exhume" means to disinter, i.e., to dig up a dead body. One meaning of "assume" is to make an assumption, warranted or otherwise. Signed, your friendly Grammar Nazi. *g*

Guys,

Forget trying to persuade Danny A to use anything by PG Music or anyone else to create his tracks. He doesn't want something close, he wants note-for-note copies and, apparently, a player with special capabilities. He needs to buy commercial MIDI files with licensing fees built in and load them into whatever he's using now. Then he can revoice and tweak as necessary to attain his apparent verbatim goals.

Danny A again,

I envy you that Terratec Axon. If I ever get the bucks, that will be the follow-on to my Roland VG-88. I thought when I bought it that it had a pitch-to-MIDI converter built in, but nooOOOooo.

R.
Posted By: manning1 Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 12:10 PM
Danny A
all songs are work if building a songs traks from scratch.
whichever daw software one uses.
its interesting you mention pipeline.
one of the first songs i learnt on geetar when i was a kidlet
donkeys ages ago.
in the hands of a skillfull pro AE useing prolly realband
i'm sure the song could be re created or any other covers.
but there are aspects outside any music softwares capabilities.
for example can you get the exact geetar tone recorded ??
this is nothing to do with music software.
but the other gear available to record that pipeline geetar tonality
and sound picture.
in summary the limitations are not in the software itself
but many other variables.
now i'm going off n do some..
bom bom bom bom, bom bom bom bom..
Posted By: John Conley Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 12:27 PM
I regret to announce that the Queen's English is in peril. The probable cause for this mis-spelling is the crazy dictionary we are forced to utilise on the internet. I am always having to double check the underlined words. I will be much happier if they acquire a proper fly by allowing me British, Canadian, and 'merican spellings. My neighbours is right, is suppose somewhere they dropped the U however the memory trick is school was U because You are my neighbour.

The best new word that I heard on TV recently was a New Yorker using the word 'smoover'. Eventually it was explained that this was an iron, you use it to smoove out your clothes. YIKES. It's an iron cause there are 3 of them on the wood stove, and you clamp the handle to the hot one. My son got one with a 'lectric cord when he was in the army, they taught him how to use it in cadets, then when he moved up they had to take a course, crease the pants.

At the end of the day, don't use spell check unless you recheck the word. Otherwise you might rise from the dead.
Posted By: silvertones Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 01:08 PM
Richard sit down please! I totally agree with you.
Danny you are totally ingrained in a process that you like and works. I have a friend that does the same as you. The song must be 100% accurate to the record. PG programs will not suit you. I'd just buy the latest version of one of the programs you mention and continue on. Maybe a better sound module/s.
Just out of curiosity how much do you play out for money? The reason I ask is that in the olden days when I did all of my own parts and it sounded like the record I'd always get "Oh you're just doing Karaoke" so now I do the songs more to my liking while still staying true to the basic format. There is a calling for good cover BANDS that play like the record but just wonder if attitudes have changed about soloists doing that.
Posted By: MartinB Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 01:29 PM
Quote:

I can't imagine doing "Back In The USSR" by the Beatles or "Pipeline" by the Chantays or "Wild Horses" by the Rolling Stones using BIAB styles!


The BB Style Wizard converts a Midi file to a style. Thus take a high quality Midi file and extract the gist of the accompaniment to a suitable BB style. It's a piece of cake and provides much more flexibility than just doing the robot thing.
Posted By: Ryszard Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 01:46 PM
Quote:

Richard sit down please! I totally agree with you.
Danny you are totally ingrained in a process that you like and works. I have a friend that does the same as you. The song must be 100% accurate to the record. PG programs will not suit you. I'd just buy the latest version of one of the programs you mention and continue on. Maybe a better sound module/s.
Just out of curiosity how much do you play out for money? The reason I ask is that in the olden days when I did all of my own parts and it sounded like the record I'd always get "Oh you're just doing Karaoke" so now I do the songs more to my liking while still staying true to the basic format. There is a calling for good cover BANDS that play like the record but just wonder if attitudes have changed about soloists doing that.




I wasn't thinking along those lines--one of those "never mind the answer, what's the question?" deals--but hey: why bother with MIDI at all? If Dan A wants it to sound exactly like the original, why not just do guitar over karaoke? Heck of a lot less work and better sound in the deal. What am I missing here?

Jest a thot,

R.
Posted By: silvertones Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 01:57 PM
Richard I was going to say that but am trying to turn over a new leaf and be a kinder gentler poster.
Posted By: Rob Helms Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 04:45 PM
Why not take the PG vocal remover plug and buy the original record!?

No i understand Danny to a point. There are some somes that truely need the hook lines of the song to stand out and catch people attention, but conversly there are many songs that sound o so good with an interpretation.
Posted By: Mac Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 04:48 PM
I think Danny just needs to bite the proverbial bullet and pay the man the three hundred dollars for the upgrade, get the USB provision going and get on with it...


--Mac
Posted By: Ryszard Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 05:19 PM
Quote:

I . . . am trying to turn over a new leaf and be a kinder gentler poster.




Yah, dass why I put da kitteh in mah abbatar, LOL.

R.
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 07:04 PM
Quote:

Danny you are confusing RB with BiaB a tad. RB is a full sequencer, and it does not have to rely on the BiaB styles to generate a song.

In BiaB you get the styles "version" of a song. You can start from a midi file, but it works better to generate a song in the style of. RB and PTPA both will open up and refine midi files. You can add real tracks to them with ease. I do this all the time. Some songs i want the full flavor of the original, and some songs i want it to be my interpretation of the song, so I use the sty;e system.

Some songs i want the drums to sound like the original song so i use a VSTi drum program like jamstix or something, on others i might add a flavor to the song maybe i want it to be a reggae or samba beat so i generate drums with Real Drums.


Thanks for the clarification between RB with BiaB and thanks for the description of your tune creation process What does the acronym PTPA stand for? How do you find Jamstix compared to other drum software?
Posted By: Ryszard Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 07:25 PM
PTPA = PG Music's "Power Tracks Pro Audio," the full name of their straight DAW/sequencer. Often abbreviated PT or PTW (Power Tracks for Windows).

Real Band is a hybrid of PTPA and BIAB, incorporating major features of both.

R.
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 07:26 PM
Quote:

Danny A,

Quote:

I exhume you're a keyboard player




I assume that you mean "assume." "Exhume" means to disinter, i.e., to dig up a dead body. One meaning of "assume" is to make an assumption, warranted or otherwise. Signed, your friendly Grammar Nazi. *g*

Guys,

Forget trying to persuade Danny A to use anything by PG Music or anyone else to create his tracks. He doesn't want something close, he wants note-for-note copies and, apparently, a player with special capabilities. He needs to buy commercial MIDI files with licensing fees built in and load them into whatever he's using now. Then he can revoice and tweak as necessary to attain his apparent verbatim goals.

Danny A again,

I envy you that Terratec Axon. If I ever get the bucks, that will be the follow-on to my Roland VG-88. I thought when I bought it that it had a pitch-to-MIDI converter built in, but nooOOOooo.

R.


Nope, the word choice "exhume" was not an error on my part, it was a combination of a play on words given your age (and alas mine) in concert with a humorous non sequitur.

If you read my posts in their entirety and take into account the topic of my thread, you'll see that your view of my "verbatim goals" is a bit of a strawman. My goals are in fact dependant on musical context and choice of tune.

Logical fallacies and humor aside I have the Roland VG-99, it has guitar to MIDI equivalent to the Roland GI-20, but it's no match for the Axon's speed on the low strings nor the Axon's fret, string and pick position splits. Nonetheless for ease of use and simplicity I still use my Roland GR30.
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 07:34 PM
Quote:

Danny A
all songs are work if building a songs traks from scratch.
whichever daw software one uses.
its interesting you mention pipeline.
one of the first songs i learnt on geetar when i was a kidlet
donkeys ages ago.
in the hands of a skillfull pro AE useing prolly realband
i'm sure the song could be re created or any other covers.
but there are aspects outside any music softwares capabilities.
for example can you get the exact geetar tone recorded ??
this is nothing to do with music software.
but the other gear available to record that pipeline geetar tonality
and sound picture.
in summary the limitations are not in the software itself
but many other variables.
now i'm going off n do some..
bom bom bom bom, bom bom bom bom..


Yes with my toys I can get plenty close to the timbres you reference. I have a Boss GT-10, Podxt, Roland VG-99, TC Helicon VoiceWorks and lots more. However whether I do or not is another matter as I've already outlined somewhat. Bear in mind that I did not start this thread to argue the merits of mimicry.
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 07:37 PM
Quote:

I regret to announce that the Queen's English is in peril. The probable cause for this mis-spelling is the crazy dictionary we are forced to utilise on the internet. I am always having to double check the underlined words. I will be much happier if they acquire a proper fly by allowing me British, Canadian, and 'merican spellings. My neighbours is right, is suppose somewhere they dropped the U however the memory trick is school was U because You are my neighbour.

The best new word that I heard on TV recently was a New Yorker using the word 'smoover'. Eventually it was explained that this was an iron, you use it to smoove out your clothes. YIKES. It's an iron cause there are 3 of them on the wood stove, and you clamp the handle to the hot one. My son got one with a 'lectric cord when he was in the army, they taught him how to use it in cadets, then when he moved up they had to take a course, crease the pants.

At the end of the day, don't use spell check unless you recheck the word. Otherwise you might rise from the dead.


May I suggest you review my post referencing logical fallacies, humor, and wordplay?
Posted By: Ryszard Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 07:40 PM
I haven't read your posts thoroughly and so probably did miss your intent. There was no straw man, just inattention on my part.

I have heard nothing but good about the Axon 100. The zoning and layering capabilities sound fantastic. That Steve Morse uses one can't be bad, either. Love to hear some of your playing, especially if you have some originals.

Merry Christmas!

R.
Posted By: jford Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 07:53 PM
PTPA = Play That Phunky ... no, that's not it.
Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 07:56 PM
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Richard sit down please! I totally agree with you.
Danny you are totally ingrained in a process that you like and works. I have a friend that does the same as you. The song must be 100% accurate to the record. PG programs will not suit you. I'd just buy the latest version of one of the programs you mention and continue on. Maybe a better sound module/s.
Just out of curiosity how much do you play out for money? The reason I ask is that in the olden days when I did all of my own parts and it sounded like the record I'd always get "Oh you're just doing Karaoke" so now I do the songs more to my liking while still staying true to the basic format. There is a calling for good cover BANDS that play like the record but just wonder if attitudes have changed about soloists doing that.


Nope I'm not "totally ingrained in a process that you like and works." (sic).

As discussed, if you read my posts in their entirety and take into account the topic of my thread, you'll see that your view of "totally ingrained" is a bit of a strawman. My goals are in fact dependent on musical context and choice of tune (s'cuse the argumentum ad nauseum).

OK, as to how to avoid the "Oh you're just doing Karaoke" syndrome:

I do a fair amount of improtu acapella
I do a fair amount of solo guitar
I do a fair amount of humor
When I did it on a full time basis I was totally wireless and would serenade the patrons at their tables
When I did it on a full time basis I would hand off my guitar to the patrons at their tables so that they could play it
Other interactive improtu antics

In other words there are many ways to not only engage the audience but to (at the same time) prove to them you are "real".

IMHO people do not go to local venues simply to hear regurgitated wank (regardless of whether it's note for note or approximations) they want to be entertained and engaged.
Posted By: Mac Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 07:58 PM
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Posted By: Danny A Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 08:18 PM
I'm going to take a brake from driving this topic and chew on the info-morsels. Mixed puns and corny metaphors redux.

Thank you all very much for the kindness!
Posted By: jazzmammal Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 08:41 PM
Danny, Ryzard is absolutely correct. I completely understand what you're doing and you don't need any of this stuff unless you simply want to have fun at home.
Some of the suggestions are overlooking your requirement list such as using Real Band to create some Real Track's or Drums. That's fine and it will sound great because I can tell you know what you're doing but on your list is the item you want to be able to do quick tempo or key changes on the fly. Those RT/RD's are audio files guys, you can't do that in RB without regenerating the tracks first and that takes too long on a gig. To do what he wants requires everything to be all midi. RB can create absolutely killer sounding Mp3's that can be used on a gig but then he loses the ability to make all those different loops and other things live.
Anyway Danny, go here Norton Music Notes is a complete pro, does the same thing as you plus he made a pretty nice business out of it. He's created literally thousands of very good styles and a lot of them are designed to work as covers. Because of your point about having the song sound as close to the original as possible, he doesn't use any of the RT/RD's. He has some very detailed articles explaining exactly how he uses these things live on stage. You can also do a forum search under his username Notes Norton, he's posted on these exact points many times.

Bob
Posted By: Rob Helms Re: SMF Live Playback? - 12/22/09 08:42 PM
Obviously a 'nadian fer sher! LOL

Sorry but this old californian has trouble with tat much verbiage! never could sit thru sense and sensibilities!
Posted By: OneManGig Re: SMF Live Playback? - 10/03/15 12:20 PM
Well it's 2015 now! Anything new on this subject?
I play live with just the old Martin guitar and my chord sheets in two large books. I was in New Orleans some time back and saw this guy playing his accustic guitar in a club. He had a midi playing with lyrics and chords on a 7" monitor scrolling. He had a mini pc in a old speaker box hidden. He also had a light show and video on a large screen playing with the music. An awesome show. When he got a request he could find and do the song fast not like me looking through 200 pluss songs!Is there software/hardware that can do this for me? I need to see both the lyricks and chords becouse I can't remember them. Where can I find this? I like the midi file playing also!
Posted By: AudioTrack Re: SMF Live Playback? - 10/03/15 02:05 PM
OneManGig
Welcome to the neighborhood.
Can the Big Lyrics Window do what you want?
Trevor

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Posted By: solidrock Re: SMF Live Playback? - 10/03/15 08:18 PM
It will be great when the Big Lyrics/Chord window gets added in the Video Render Option ! along with a Scroll Ahead Notation/Tab Window Option (In the next version I hope or else you need to screen capture to videos)
Then you can play the video files on a USB stick/SD Card plugged in a portable AC/DC DVD/USB LCD Media Player sitting on a sheet music stand plugged into your AC/DC Portable AMP, a bit more hardier and reliable than carrying around a PC or Laptop and you just use the little remote the quickly scroll to and play/pause the next song.







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