? Is there Drums MultiRiffs to give more variation with drums ?
RealDrum Charts that can be use with a 3rd party VSTi or a PG's own sampler
to give more control over individual drum vol, pan, comp, FX ?`
All these things would have been easy to implement and would vastly improve the flexibility of the program for producing music how you want.

One thing i like is the ability to detect transients. I have been playing with that in Studio One, and it allows separation of stereo drum tracks to multiple tracks.

Really? I don't think you know what Real Drums are. They are AUDIO files of a real session drummer playing in a studio and mixed down to a stereo track. Stereo, not multitrack. Ever tried to record a live drummer in a studio? You get mic bleeding all over the place, it's very difficult to have a multitrack AUDIO recording of a 12 piece drum kit.

Plus, where do you get midi information from a studio recording of a drummer? He's not playing on a midi drum kit, he's playing on REAL DRUMS. I guess that's where PG got the name from.

And what's with the big crybaby? It's annoying as hell.

Bob

I think when he mentioned multriffs he was referring to eh ability in RTs to generate multiple copies of the track and choose the best one. I am not sure that would help or not, but certainly is interesting.

As far as chart, RTs generate charts, why not RDs?

I can see the idea of supermidi drum tracks, being useful

lastly what i mentioned above of using transient detection would be interesting. I plan to experiment with RDs and this concept.

Ok this is the main reason what I have talked about before and what you are up against "Condemnation without investigation....." Like don't history show this ? it really puts you off wanting to help make the product better, I think why bother.
It happens so many times, a new suggestion and a bone head response (sorry but I know you might mean well),
but why do these suggestions get implemented in BB ???
I have just been given yet another recorded drum session and the drums were crap, they were recorded to multitracks how drums are recorded so then I trigger each track and beat to midi and I put the samples in I want.
It is a lot more time consuming doing this with stereo drums.
How many RealDrums were recorded using a midi Kit ???



solidrock *Apprentice "IT'S ....... MEANT TO BE" If you don't want me to make any more suggest I won't, just say the word.

>>> How many RealDrums were recorded using a midi Kit ???


None of our RealDrums have been recorded using a MIDI kit. They are all stereo recordings of a real Drummer in a studio. It would be the same as if you bought drum loops.

Though we use several mics to record them, all that is released is the stereo mix, and there isn't a way to isolate each instrument in the drum kit.

Here is a user video of how to do this in presonus Studio one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNZ8KOK_qrY

This uses transient drum replacement. Some work but it is what you want to do. The other option is rather than generate RDs, have BiaB generate midi drums and split them to separate tracks.

I know that you want RealDrums to be multitrack, but they simply are not. and to go back now and record them all over is not likely to happen. For most tracking the stereo drum sound just fine. But for those who are tracking a full on session and want true multitrack drums you have a few choise, a couple are listed below others are obvious, get a drum track and mike the rascals, and record them. Buy a midi drum kit.

Take a close look at the video. To me this is one of the features i would love to see PG develop in RB.

That's alright if they were not midi drums, as long as you still have the original multitracks you can separate them, but doing it with stereo tracks is a pain, have a look at Drumagog, this will give you the RealDrumCharts :

SR, you are missing the point my friend, they were recorded with several mikes, but not on separate tracks, most likey some of those mikes were overheads, and such. Ambiance was the goal. There are no multitrack masters, as they were recorded to a stereo file. This is what Peter has been saying now for a few years whenever this subjet comes up. This technology was primarily made for BiaB, and as we all know it is not a multitrack DAW. So the tracks needed to be stereo to fit on the drum track and make auto-generation work as it does. It was not intended as a split drum tracking software solution.

I'm not saying to have multi wav files for each drum that would be massive in size but to have the RealDrumCharts. I don't think they would have just recorded drums straight to stereo surely not, but maybe they did in that case there is not much hope for improvement.

With the MultiDrumRiffs you highlight the section of track and you have different Rolls & Fills etc.. to choose from.

Hi SR,

The concept of MultiRiffs for drums is a great idea. I'd put it in the wishlist. I've noticed that Realdrums give variations (not as many, though) just like other instruments and I sometimes do multiple generations to find a riff that suits.

Regards,
Noel

Yea been there done that, thanks.

You got me thinking now SR. hhhmmmm so many options. Let's hope this keeps progressing. I am going to give that video you posted a run this evening, thanks.

All that works only if you have separate drum tracks. With stereo tracks you need to split at the transients. So much to play with getting brain overload need beer!

More on RealDrums:
Re: New site: www.realdrumsforbiab.com



Also:

RealDrumCharts

Midi SuperTrack Drums

is there a way to split drums into separate tracks ?

Yes it is a pain to try an separate stereo kits, that's why I say if PG recorded original drums in multitrack it would be great but if they just recorded direct to stereo there is not much hope for improvement.

A lot of Drum Loops come in MultiTrack, 24bit even:
Acid_Loop_Preview.MP4
Acid_Loop_Preview.WMV

Also we need an instant preview in the loop browser as in most other DAWs, in most loop browsers it will preview the loop in the project tempo and key, it would be great if you could have RB looping a section while and be able to preview the loop at the same time as you can in Acid & Others.

SR, acid loops are very different from RTs. They are meant to pieced together piece by piece. I started in Acid pro back in the 3.0 days, and man piecing together a drum track was a lot of work.

RTs, and RD tracks are meant to be quickly generated, and blended into songs with other RTs and RDs, and along with midi tracks.

Take a real close look at BiaB there is not enough tracks for a 5 or 6 piece drum kit. So the technology was developed for folks to assemble live songs or songs to jam with, or songs to practice to BiaB was never designed for DAW recording to make albums and such.

If you look at RealBand, and see that it has the ability to add acid loops, RTs, RDs, midi tracks, multitrack midi, and wave file, and enough tracks to mix that.

I get that you want PG to make RDs with separate tracks, but it was never done, and never planned. If you want to generate separate tracks use midi styles and the split midi command and go to work on it. For now that is all there is.

I was just replying to Pete, he said when you buy realdrums you only get Stereo same as Drum loops. It has Acid loops support ONLY because I asked for it, as not much thought went into the loop feature at all, it took a year to get Acid now it will take another to get the other suggested loop features, have a look at the loop managers in other DAW's. In RB you still can't even use EZDrummer, yet it works in all other DAW's, using it gives so many variation rather than the limited variation in RD. But if you had the RealDrumCharts and MultiDrumRiffs you would then have an "OPTION" as I said OPTION to use a VST sampler that has the drum tracks mixer that makes things so easy.
Stereo RealDrums are fine for the home user that's no problem like they don't want to screw around with multidrums and AudioPhile versions.
That is all I'm really getting at. Do you think for the next 50 years we will only have Stereo Drums.

That's All Folks

No i suspect you are right in part. Many of the cool features we have are due to folks like us asking for them. I wonder though if we will ever have such things in BiaB. I do believe that RealBand as a expand it's VSTi capability. I do not know about some of this in Biab since it was based on limited generation of a few tracks.

I can certainly appreciate your requests, as I have been asking for them to fix the VSTi timing lock issue for several years now. If that worked, Drum plugs like EzDrummer, Jamstix, and the like could lock and the brain function would be an option.

Have you tried EZD in RB it works there for me, and yet i have not used it full yet, just bought it. Jamstix works, but with out the brain module, which really cripples the program, and makes it no better than a dumb drum machine.

Try this Multi Drums AC3, open in Audacity

Hi-Hats Kick Toms Snare
Audio: 448 Kbps, 48,000 Hz, 24 Bit, 5.1, AC3 4.5meg Multi_Drums.AC3 (right click save link, target as)

the 44100 16bit wav file is 42meg

Notice the ending, you can't get that "yet" in RealDrums