I downloaded SampleTank 3.5 and also the Free Sounds. The application works when I run it stand-alone to listen to the sounds.

In RB 2015 (7) I clicked on 'Specific VSTi/DXi Synth for Midi Track' then 'Add VSTi plug-in'. I could not find any of the SampleTank instruments I had just installed because RB was looking for .dll files and all the files are st3i files and RB apparently doesn't use them. I know I'm looking in the right place.

Does anyone know how to make this work? I did a search of the RB help on SampleTank and also on st31 but nothing was there.

I need some nice midi instruments. I couldn't get Kontakt to work either but I didn't document it.

thanks...

Larry, where you been? ST3 is 64 bit and needs a 64 bit host, which BIAB and RB ain't.

"...So you can use your 64-bit VST plugins and VSTi instruments with Band-in-a-Box, using jBridge. Since Band-in-a-Box has built-in support for jBridge, you just use your plugins as you normally would, by selecting 32-bit or 64-bit plugins within Band-in-a-Box"

10 bucks.

http://www.pgmusic.com/jbridge.htm

what Jazzmandan said

need to buy Jbridge and install ($10) - MAKE SURE YOU DOWNLOAD THE 1.72 version (yes it's beta but it's what you need)

https://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/betaupdates/

Good Luck
Another Larry

Can you just run the standalone or load the 64bit dll into VSTHost64 and use LoopMidi ?

or just spend the 10 bucks.

Hi Larry - thanks. Any tips on where to install it? I kept all my BIAB and RB on the USB drive they came on. Not sure which directory to install jbridge into.

I think I'm all set. I had missed Dan's message. I watched the video and I went to http://www.pgmusic.com/jbridge.htm and bought jbridge. The email says I'll have it within 24 hours.

Not sure if this will work in RB because the video only talks about BIAB. I guess I'll see.

Hi larrymagee,

It works for RealBand.

Not working, yet, in either BIAB or RB. I can open the synth panel in both but the keyboard doesn't play anything. The track won't play either.

The stand-alone SampleTank works fine. ??????

any thoughts?

Is your ASIO driver set to always active?

Hi John, Yes but I don't have an AISO driver. should I buy one? I'm running on MME now.

not at computer right now but no you do not buy ASIO drivers they come with your audio hardware or you can download asio4all for free. Google it


Also fotgot -there are videos here at PG about using JBridge and i think ASIO


ood luck
Larry

Thanks Larry K - I'm making progress. I downloaded the asio4all. Now samples play in the synth panel config DST window (just like in stand-alone mode) but still nothing plays in RB. I also got the 32-bit DST Komtakt synth to play, but only in the DST Window, not in RB.

In both cases the green volume indicator on the track moves but the master volume indicators show nothing.

This is a head scratcher ??

A new problem is now I can't have BIAB and RB open at the same time. They don't share the asio4all.

ASIO is a one-at-a-time audio driver. So if you need to have both BIAB and RealBand open at the same time, then you should set one of them to MME and the other to ASIO. You'll probably need to open the MME app first. Unfortunately, that's the way it is.

I know Steinberg has a multi-ASIO driver you can download, but depending upon your computer and sound card(s), the results have been mixed. Worth a try, though.

"but still nothing plays in RB"

Sounds like an output routing/configuration issue, especially since the Tracks show activity in RB but you don't hear it.

Prefs-Audio-Drivers or MIDI Device routing most likely.

Hi rharv - you're right. I checked and it's a midi driver problem. I have 2 drivers that show up in midi preferences - midi mapper and gs wave table sync. Evidently, neither will work with AISO. But I need AISO in order to make SampleTank work.

I guess I need to find & install another midi driver. I'd appreciate any advice on where to get one.

I agree with "rharv", you seem to have a routing problem. I have just tested RealBand with Sampltank 3.5 as a VSTi in a midi file. In RealBand, I deliberately set Coyote WS as the default VSTi Midi Synth. The Midi Driver was set to MME. I changed the Ports for a number of tracks to 17 and assigned one instance of SampleTank 3, as the VSTi Synth, to the above ports. Then I assigned ST instruments to match the Channel numbers of the various RB tracks using Port 17.

This worked as designed. It is unnecessary to use ASIO drivers unless you have a need for reduced latency.

I hope this helps

I mentioned ASIO because the OP talked about using his keyboard, which would incur latency with any softsynth.

Hi Lyn - thanks so much for taking the time to test this. I followed your exact instructions and they didn't help.

Switched back to MME, Coyote assigned as default midi device, Chose a track with midi data and assigned it to port 17, configured this port to SampleTank, selected the instrument -

The instrument would not play inside the synth window (because I'm back to MME). It wouldn't play the midi track in RB either.

BTW Coyote works as do some other older synths that I downloaded a while back (MDA piano, etc.)

Are you with PGMusic support? If not, it's probably time for me to call them.

I may be wrong, but I think that if you want to play live on your keyboard using SampleTank as your synth, you'll need to (at least temporarily) make it your default synth.

When I was playing with it (using 64-bit Kontakt rather than SampleTank), the only way I could get Kontakt to respond to my keyboard input was to make Kontakt the default synth. Otherwise, it just played using the TTS-1 synth (which was previously the default).

You might want to give that a try. And I use ASIO when doing that; otherwise, you'll hear the sounds a short delay after pressing the note on the keyboard.

When I'm just inputting something to record, though, I'll just use the GM synth with an appropriate instrument set to do the recording. Then I'll change the track to use a different softsynth.

DUH! Should have seen this earlier:

Let's back up - to what YOU actually said - before any of this other stuff occurred

What RB initially told you is correct: RB IS looking for the .dll (VSTi) for Sampletank 3 - the VSTi application for Sampletank 3 (OR ANY VST/VSTi) is GOING TO BE A FILE NAME ENDING IN .dll

Specifically, RB needs to find, and YOU will need to point RB to the file called "SampleTank 3.dll"

It will PROBABLY be somewhere in/under your C:\Program Files\?? (one of it's sub-directories)
Probably in C:\Program Files\IK Multimedia or C:\Program Files\VST or .. (just search for that file named" SampleTank 3.dll")

I can't tell you where exactly because I do not use default installs and move stuff around AFTER it's installed.

The *.st31" files you mentioned are the SampleTank 3 INSTRUMENTS themselves and they will be used by the SampleTank 3.dll (VSTi ).

YOU can't load the .st31 directly into a RB track, period (immaterial which audio driver you use (MME, ASIO, or other) or what PORT it's on.


now try it
Larry

Hi john and larry - thanks so much for continuing to think about this.

John - I tried setting the midi default to SampleTank and got the same bad results.

Larry - yes, I discovered the .dll file for SampleTank a day or two ago but I forgot to mention it so, unfortunately, that's not the issue.

The closest I can get is setting Audio preferences to ASIO. That, at least, will get the SampleTank to play in the synth panel but then it's silent in RB.

BTW I hate ASIO. I can't even play youtube videos or the Windows Media Player when I have RB open with ASIO as the auidio driver.

The problem is not ASIO. You mentioned that you also could not get 32 bit Kontakt to work so the problem isn't jBridge either. The problem is a routing one. It could help us if you would include a few screenshots as maybe we could see the problem.

What soundcard are you using? From what I have read ASIO4all is very good but it can be tricky to set up when using some sound cards. If you are going to record using your keyboard then an ASIO driver is a necessary driver otherwise latency (press a key and a second later hear it) will drive you nuts.

See if your current soundcard has native ASIO drivers. If it doesn't and you are planning on recording your keyboard then you should very seriously consider a new soundcard.

As mentioned ASIO will only drive one program at a time so no you will not be able to use Media Player with RB open if both are using ASIO drivers. This is why I use MME drivers in BiaB and ASIO drivers in Sonar. You would use MME drivers in BiaB and ASIO drivers in RB. Note I would record in RB and not in BiaB.

I really appreciate the help. Here's some info for you.

Sound card is the one that came with the HP Windows 7 computer by
Realtek set to 16 bit 44.1 Hz.

I don't use a keyboard.

Output drivers in RB with MME are Realtek or Microsoft Midi Mapper. I've tried both. Three output driver ports are available when I switch to AISO - Only the first one will allow the synth panel in the VST Window to play (It's called HD Audio Output 1 + 2)


Here are 3 screen shots. Need any others?

http://larrymagee.wix.com/rb-screen-shots

Maybe you don't have speakers set as the default WINDOWS audio playback device? or they should show up in Real Bands "MME drivers" window as something to select?

Hope this helps

EDIT

I forget to mention Real Band (without getting into MID thru settings) will NOT send MIDI data out to your MIDI device (e.g., Coyote, SampleTank 3) UNTIL you hit record! translation you won't hear anything until you hit record

Now I also forgot how to (or even if you can) with MME HEAR the MIDI device while you are recording something but I know you can with ASIO (which is my default because I use a MAINLY external MIDI keyboards and guitars so I want very little latency - I like to hear the stuff I'm triggering while it's being recorded).

Larry

Hi larry k - Thanks. Are you on a Mac? My RB doesn't have that little button on the bottom right. I'm on Windows 7. Anyway, I got to where you were ultimately pointing through preferences and made sure that speakers are highlighted and moved to the top to make them the default midi out devices. No change. I pushed the default MME button on preferences/audio, too, just in case.

I went back and re-installed SampleTank, this time using the default file locations instead of a location on my Dropbox. The synth panel configuration window now shows many more instruments so I must have messed something up in the first installation. The bad news is that it still doesn't play in RB and it took a step backwards, too. I used to be able to hear sounds when in the synth panel if I had RB set to AISO. Now that doesn't work, anymore.

I also experimented with the changing the track in the sampletank synth panel. The track I'm testing is Track #4, midi channel 3. I've tried putting the desired synth on both tracks 3 and 4 and also on track 1 in the sampletank synth panel and it makes no difference.

I ran the DX diagnostics tool in "options" on the sampletank synth panel and everything checked out.

???

One more thing - the "speakers" midi out you mentioned is not an option in preferneces/audio when I'm running AISO. Maybe there is something that can be done ????

Not at computer now but I run Win 7 64 also
and my example above was for MME

Asio won't show "speakers" as output it assumes you set your ASIO device driver output to there or WHEREVER you want it

But you should have the button in realband bottom right like my picture?

Larry

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Hi again, Larry. I'm on the latest 2015 (8) version of RB and don't have that button. odd.... Maybe it's because I don't have a large screen.

But I can set "speakers" as the audio out driver in preferences when I'm running MME. The midi out driver can be either Microsoft GS Wavetable Synch or Microsoft Midi Mapper. And neither will play SampleTank.

When I change to AISO, RB will not allow me to select either of these 2 midi drivers at all. Maybe if I can find an alternate free midi driver that AISO likes, I could get somewhere.

This won’t help your current issue - but as info:

The MIDI "Output drivers," determines where to route/send RealBand MIDI data to EXTERNAL MIDI devices, which includes (paradoxically) things like "MIDI yoke," LoopBe2 (free by the way) or LoopBe30 or other virtual port devices.

So as far as getting ST 3 or any plug-in to work within Real Band the "MIDI Output Drivers" (all, one, or none) are immaterial. For the purists, yes we can MAKE them matter if we start using software re-routers like LoopBe2, Loopbe30, MIDI yoke to send MIDI data to ST3 standalone - but that is NOT the way to troubleshoot this problem or even work in general)

The MIDI "Output drivers" are in play: (again without confusing the bigger topic with "MIDI Thru" settings) If you don’t have "Re-Route MIDI playback to default Dxi/VSTi Synth" checked. In this case, MIDI data in Real Band, during playback, will go out to the "outside world" devices (external hardware synths or to software re-routers or even the MS GS wavetable essentially the same thing as CoyoteWT).

If you DO HAVE "Re-Route MIDI playback to default Dxi/VSTi Synth" CHECKED then ALL MIDI data (EXCEPT possibly MIDI thru) is sent to the user selected VSTi's within Real Band (either the default VSTi or the individual track(s) set VSTi's - they can all be different.

Again I suggest you CALL PG they can walk you through in real time and ask follow ups, that are hard and time consuming for you, to make sure you have everything set correctly including (if required for this problem) your WINDOWS audio "stuff"



Larry

Tried ASIO4All?