I've started a few threads and have been getting some pretty rude comments. What's up with that?

These have even been from people on the forum that I respect!...but start losing a bit with some of the comments.

Don't get me wrong, I have gotten some GREAT GREAT GREAT information when asking about products, but on the music/song writing side...yikes.

I have stayed away from other boards that I saw get that way...not towards me, but in general. I just never joined. You could just see someone ask a question and get slammed for their preference in music. "How does Nickelback get their guitar sound on...?" "Nickelback sucks!" Blah, blah, blah. I always thought WAY less of the person who replied.

I'll chalk it up to the "winter crankies" or something, but respect is a two way street my friends.

Yeah, I don't get why people do that either. Nothing to say but they say it anyway and in a smarta$$ way. Of course it doesn't count if you add "just joking!"

I even noticed it on the RIP Bowie thread where some folks posted mainly to say they didn't like his music!

What was it our moms tried to teach us? "If you can't say something nice..."

Good news is most people here are very nice and helpful!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ps14gdCwN8

(I made that last part up myself)

Ha!!

One thing in life I've learned very early at a young age: you don't have to search for arses, they are closer than you think.

I ignore them, as it would get my BP up to high, knowing it's a futile attempt to be nice to them.

Just forget about it!

I think maybe Donald Trump's style is rubbing off on people...no, I'm not happy about it lol

HearToLearn,

You’re right about rude comments popping up. Here are some of your comments on another one of your threads on the same day you started this one.



More often than not, we reap what we sow bro.

Yup Bob that was out of context.

I asked a question about who is writing in a type of music.

One response was they don't like the type of music I am asking about...which I don't get why you would post that... THEN added an example that hijacked the thread and made it about his example. I feel that's pretty rude.

I don't think point that out is rude at all! I think much more of our forum members than that!

The other comment flat out called the kind of music @#$^#...with a smile face. That was their contribution to my question. Was the being nice because there was a smiley face?

I really don't think my response was rude in the least. I addressed what I saw.

I started a new thread to address it from several posts, not all which are mine by any means.

Nice!

It's probably great advice! I feel mine going a bit higher as I tried to start a thread to address and...once again...seem to be the problem. As I've stated before, in real life, I don't seem to have these issues. It's on here.

Agreed! With that and your post right before it.

Thanks for the reminder!

I think I was a bit taken back because they came a bit out of left field for me from people I do respect. They are VERY helpful, and nice people! So, it has me going "huh?"

Not sure if you even read the whole thread but he was reacting to rude comments, not being rude!

He asked a simple friendly question about whether folks here were writing modern country and some people can't seem to keep their noses outta someone else's business even when they have nothing helpful to offer! The thread was not about whether you like modern country or not! Dropping into a thread like that with that attitude is unfriendly trolling plain and simple and the folks who do it should grow the hell up! If they want to start a thread about how they hate modern country or anything else by all means do so! But don't be a jerk when someone is just asking a question! </rant over>

I did read the whole thread. It's comforting to see that you and I still disagree on most things.

I hope it gives you additional comfort to know I do not care whether you are comforted or not or whether we agree or not!

There was nothing wrong with your posts. We just have a troll problem here sometimes! And most of us are usually quiet about it but sometimes it just gets too damn annoying to bear!

HearToLearn,



You addressed what you saw. The same as anyone else does when they post a comment.

When you post on a public forum, surely you realize other people have the right to respond?

Your definition of being rude and mine are obviously entirely different. If you don’t want to allow other people to chime in with their unwelcome opinions then start a blog that doesn’t have a comment section. Or set it up so the comments can’t be posted until they are approved by you.

From the position of not wanting to hear someone say things you don’t like to hear, … free speech kind of sucks, doesn’t it?

John cubed,



Classic John cubed.

You're just one of the many reasons I wonder why I bothered returning to the forum.

Feel free to leave again!

Nice!

I aim to please! As I heard someone say recently...free speech kind of sucks!

Free speech does kind of suck, ...... except when it's a vehicle for people to reveal what kind of person they really are on a public forum.

And for the record, I'm all for free speech.

Well, as you of course know, free speech has limits, especially when it is a product forum like this.

And if PG elects to allow trolling like the thread in question I will feel quite fine calling it what it is. Trolling! It is rude and obnoxious and should really not be allowed!

And just for the record, if it was you who asked a question about bluegrass music and then the trolls decided to tell you the music sucked...well I would call them out too!

Not necessarily. They saw something, and took it a different direction. That's not the same as addressing my post. They made it their own post...which they should make a different one for.

That's not so much just my opinion as sort of internet society. I get it gets broken all the time, but the people in question I wouldn't think to be that way on purpose. If they knew, I think they wouldn't have done it. That's why I said something. Respect. They are good people in my opinion.

I totally get some people hate modern country...or any other type of music...and they have every right to make a thread about it. I wouldn't stop them...obviously but I also wouldn't jump in on it to say why it's good, or great or whatever. It's their thread for their purpose. I respect that.

There are MANY threads I don't respond to because I don't agree, don't care either way, or have nothing to contribute to the intent of the thread. Again, that's just respect.



The right to respond yes. Again, weather or not you should comes from respect. Just because you have the right to do certain things, does't mean you should. Surely you realize that



Must be. Mine tends to stem from politeness and respect over the ability or right to do something.



Well, the nature of the post you referenced was to connect with others on this forum who are doing the same. I found a few, so success.

This thread wasn't about just the thread you referenced...as I pointed out. It's also not just about my threads by a long shot.

I may be wrong, but I feel sometimes drawing attention to issues has people think a bit before jumping in a thread or hijacking it.

That's not to say they shouldn't say whatever they want. Just maybe start a new thread. Some of the comments obviously showed interest in a different subject in the thread I started!



Nah. I think some people do it accidentally without meaning to derail a thread. I don't mind if people have a different opinion that me. That's life and I'm good with that.

Then there are the people who feel the need to jump into threads just to start something. To be the opposing view for the sake of being the opposing view. They get their significance that way, because they don't otherwise in life.

Like the kid with face tattoo's and a bunch of piercings that says "what are you looking at" when you glance their way. It's desperation on their part, and obvious to the rest of the world.

So all good by me. If the this thread makes anyone think a little before hijacking a thread by accident...or I guess, intentionally all good.

If it make someone think before posting a hateful remark. Awesome.

It's the kind of thing I teach my kids, and hope to do myself. I'm guilty of some of what I've said, so don't take it as I'm preaching. Just trying to live a life that I show respect to others.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

John3,



I don't recall asking a question about bluegrass music and having the "trolls" telling me the music sucked, but if you say it happened then it must be true! Hehe.

Why not go fry yourself a couple of eggs and take a nap to sober up before posting any more comments.

Protein is good for the soul!

He wasn't saying that did happen. He was say IF that did happen.




I'm thinking we all should



In some forms, it's tasty too!

100% agree.

100% disagree.

Well, ultimately it is PG's forum. They are the God's of this space.

I totally dislike trolling...and there is a reason there is a term for it. It happens.

I'm not looking for anyone to be banned or kicked or really have PG involved in anyway. It's a forum with many people I like. Some I don't. I'm not everyone's cup of tea either. Ha! Sounds like real life!

Anyway, I'm thinking I'm done for the night. We shall see.

Tomorrow's posts on this could be interesting if there are any! LOL

Have a great night.

HearToLearn,



You really shouldn't have mentioned God or God's here.

Imaginary boogie men are strictly off limits on this forum!!!

As they should be in any adult conversation.

If you want to be taken seriously on the PG forums, you could start by using your actual first name instead of a BS name like HearToLearn.

“I'm not looking for anyone to be banned or kicked.......”

“They get their significance that way, because they don't otherwise in life.”


“HTL”,

First, you may take some comfort in knowing that this is the last comment I will ever make on any of your threads, but since you specifically quoted my comment and characterized it as “trolling” and “rude”, I am unfortunately compelled to respond.

N.B. - This is not an ad hominem attack (although you will probably see it as one ), merely an observation. You have, on several occasions, exhibited a singular inability to recognize harmless comments meant to be humorous, instead choosing to take offense when none was intended. To quote the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka..."Lighten up, Francis!"

If I have offended your fragile sensibilities, I apologize. Fear not. It won't happen again.

In closing, I think your characterization of Mario's comment as “rude” is beyond the pale. Mario is one of the most friendly, knowledgeable and helpful members here, and I believe you owe him an apology. Just out of “respect”, you know?

I wish you success in all your endeavors.


Regards,

Bob

What was bad about that? I'm not and I wanted to make that clear. I didn't think it was even close to that type of thing. I simply saw it as letting someone know it was "rude." I didn't even think it was over the line! NOT EVEN CLOSE. Rude has different degrees. 1 be the lightest, and 10 being the worst...maybe maybe maybe a .5 for me. Not 5..."point five"



Wow! This was taken SOOOOOO out of context. This was not "aimed" at you AT ALL. In ANY way, shape or form. I was talking about there being a group of people who are that way. I was NOT even thinking about anyone on this forum what-so-ever.

In fact, if you want to know what I was thinking specifically, it was about a few people I've seen on my daughter's facebook page that do this. I brought it up to my wife, who had talked to me about an article she saw on this AND she see's adult's on her facebook timeline that do this.

Overall though, you are REALLY taking some things I've said out of context. Please re-read it with that perspective.



Take a step back and maybe take a dose of your own advice about "Lighten up, Francis!" ?

If you felt as though I am someone that takes "harmless comments meant to be humorous" so wrong from previous observations of me...and then do the very thing you've seen me supposedly react to...I will just say that strikes me as rude. Look up "trolling." That is what it is.




This feels a bit like an insult wrapped in an apology...that isn't meant. I may be totally off on that, of course. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and put it on me being defensive. No sarcasm intended.



It is actually considered rude to "hijack" a thread as it's known. I repeatedly said that I don't think Mario meant anything of the kind in doing so. Of course, you seem to be missing that completely. I agree with you! I find him to be extremely genuine, thoughtful, insightful and an all-around "good guy!"

If me pointing out that hijacking a thread (intentional or not) is rude offended him in any way, then I truly apologize.

To clarify further, this was NOT just about my threads! It's something I've seen as of late. I thought all of this was explained, but apparently not well enough.

Specifically about your comment thought...

The first read of your @#$^%# comment had me taken back. The next one brought the response right under it...my attempt at humor. Probably not funny though. I'm not sure if you missed it?

My fear was your comment was going to bring the conversation in the direction it went. A thread about "what's not to like about modern country music" instead of "who here is working on it."



Thank you. The same to you! And, believe it or not, I do welcome your comments BIG TIME.

One last thing, keep in mind that I get comments like this...



So, sometimes a comment from one person can affect my view of a comment from someone else. That's my fault for maybe carrying "tone" form one person to the next comments from someone.

Hear To Learn: Could it just be that you are not wired to detect sarcasm as such? I know a couple of folks like that and they take everything I say at face value -- which with me is NOT a good idea!

Personally I think your original premise and title is not flying too well in this thread. Maybe just setting it aside and not feel the need to defend every word and refute every misunderstanding may be the best course of action here.

Ha! It's funny you say that, and here's what happened...

First, I'm actually very good at detecting sarcasm...when it's spoken! Typed...probably not so much!

Further proof, was in responding to your thread, I was going to make a sarcastic comment, but kept editing BECAUSE I didn't want it to be taken the wrong way. "Wait...what if he thinks I'm serious." So...I'm guessing I probably take things at face value too much on here.

Thanks for noticing that! VERY helpful!



Probably a good idea! Ok, it's a great idea! I think i struggle with it here simply because I feel very misunderstood...just here though. In face to face communication, I don't run into these situations!

Again, that's on me!

Thanks!

Ok, I have an idea for something I have never heard of...which probably means A LOT of people have had the same idea!

I've heard of people "bumping up" their thread so that people see it.

How the hell do you "bump it down?" Like to the year 2011 down?

How would THAT be for a feature?

Sheeesh! It's the net. The flame wars in the early days make today's "offensive" remarks seem like motivational speaker blather. Trolls and flamers dominated the early boards and nearly eviscerating one another was too many folk's game. Should anything really get outa hand here there are moderators available who IMO do a great job. I'm a mod on another board. This community is relatively mellow.

"The Old Grey Mare She Ain't What She Used To Be" an old song title that sort of sums it up to me. But still the best place on the net to get info/support on my favorite music software, and of course where I have met many people over the past 10 years or so that I am still proud to call friend.

Later,

HTL,

I find it more interesting to read a thread where everyone who feels like adding something participates. What most people do is just bring the conversation back to what they want to talk about or let it evolve into where ever it goes - you know - like how having a REAL conversation with REAL people naturally flows in REAL life.

So let's get REAL here HTL. It's not like you have never gone off on a different tangent of what was being originally discussed in a thread conversation.

BTW, it was honorable of Mario to apologize in your other thread although I thought it certainly wasn't necessary for this blown out of proportion pettiness of one forum pot deciding to call the other kettles black.

I find this thread rude, there ya go.

But hey it sure got lots of attention.

Degrees of rude, now that was classic. LOL! Like a small coincidence vs. a big coincidence. Reminds me of a Seinfeld sketch. LOL!

Of course I don't mean any of this in a bad way. I certainly wouldn't want to be saying the wrong thing here and risk being 3rd degree rude....

Have a great weekend.

my two cents:

On forums filled with a lot of different personalities, nationalities, religions, political preferences, income levels, living conditions and points of view..... it is virtually impossible to communicate for long without being misunderstood by somebody. And nobody likes to be misunderstood. So what does a person do?

Trying to explain what was really meant usually just spins the misunderstanding off in a whole new direction.

Responding defensively has approximately the same effect, with the added effect of risking real offense on top of any imagined ones.

My opinion (and I present it as that, not as anything more) is that the most healthy forum interaction happens when people are OK with putting their opinions on the table and letting others respond candidly. Yes, there are times when choking back the urge to respond to a reply we didn't anticipate is durn near impossible... but it's just about the only way to avoid throwing gasoline on a spark.

In the final analysis, everybody is entitled to his/her point of view. We may as well get used to that idea and maybe even embrace it. Its OK (and maybe even highly desirable)that we all see life differently.

...not worth the effort...

Or another option would be for the community to not support/encourage those making fun of the music the guy was asking about?

We can make the community a more friendly supportive place or we can blame the person who is offended for not being tough enough or understanding we were just kidding. I prefer the former!

Is everyone having a good new year!



musiclover

J3
Please make more effort editing your posts prior to actually posting them (and then changing later)
You have retracted a couple things I was in the process of responding to, and thus wasted my time (though my cache still has your original responses stored).

Your original response to Sundance was one example, but there have been others ..

I'm trying to like you dude, help me out here.

Maybe you'll just need to wait a little longer before replying to one of my posts or post from your cache if you want! If I write something and then decide it won't be worth the effort I'll remove it...just like anyone else here does. And if you decide to like me well that is just fine but if not well that is fine too!

That may be, but I doing my best to change that! How am I doin so far?

Well THAT makes sense! I guess I didn't want to offend anyone. How's that working out for me so far!! LOL

I will keep this in mind. It's great advice!



Agreed. I even covered that



Of course it was honorable of him. He's a class act. As I stated, I didn't think he intended it!



I'm with ya!



Um...yes it did. I'm not sure if you saw my "bump down" comment? If you did, I'm not sure my "bump down" comment made sense...lol



I, personally think it is a bit different.

If someone accidentally bumps into you and does NOT say "sorry about that"...a little rude.

If someone accidentally bumps into you and says "Get the F our of my way you D..A...!"...I would consider that person to be the more rude of the two.

Seinfeld is my favorite comedy and it definitely has that type of feel. It sounds like a conversation they would be having in Jerry's apartment.

Now who is our Kramer?



(You will have to use Georges voice for this)...Grades. (snort laugh) EVERYONE knows it's a scale! Like with Earthquakes.



Try and make me! (how was THAT for rude?)

Anyway, thanks for the reply and have a great weekend too! Thanks for the honesty and humor!

Well I've learned all I hoped to learn from this thread. Anything else is a bonus.
Thanks!

Finally! We've been waiting and waiting on you!

Well folks, our mission here is complete. Let's move on...

I'll try to start a new controversial thread to distract from this one!

HTL,

I need to get off of here so I won't have an excuse to procrastinate and actually get some work done on a song tonight but I'm so glad I popped back in because your response when you got to that earthquake grading totally cracked me up! LOL! It sounded EXACTLY like something that would have come right out of George Costanza's mouth! Thanks for a great laugh. That's my husband's all time fav sitcom and one of mine too.

Ah new avatar....LOL!

Thanks for the extra confirmation
/*over and out*/

Yeah, I think he had some bad shrimp.

I've never seen that before, but now I keep looking at it and laughing. Nice!