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Posted By: floyd jane Another Curve - 06/19/15 10:45 AM
Lovers...fighting...


The Band:
MIDI SuperTracks in song: 2066:Piano, Rhythm NewAgeAnswers Ev16 110
RealTracks in song: 811:Piano, Acoustic, Solo-Acc PopVancouver Ev 100
RealTracks in song: 1856:Cello, Background PopCountry Ev 085


ANOTHER CURVE

the front door screams behind her
a huffy last goodbye
supper sits half finished
it was a pretty good exit cry
but true final farewells
are quiet, with no act
i know the way her fever flows
i know that she'll be back

sometimes she doesn't give me a chance
somtimes i don't give a damn
these days we're given to arguing
using anything we can
you-don't-love-me accusations
"that's right" throws in the salt
go for the heart and don't let loose
i'll last-word you for the fault

sometimes i wish she'd really leave
i pray to god she'll stay
give your enemy an apology
give your lover another day
i can't be all she wants
i might be more than she deserve
every time i think it's straightened out
she throws me another curve
she throws me another curve
she throws me another curve


Thanks to my "early listeners" who helped me "get my bearings".
(you know who you are smile )

Comments encouraged.
Thanks for listening.
Have at it.

floyd
Posted By: Charlie Fogle Re: Another Curve - 06/19/15 11:55 AM
This a complex and sophisticated song. The same for the seemingly simple production. I can see where 'early listeners' would be quite helpful getting everything to come gracefully together.

In the end, it did all come together even though there are a lot of curves thrown in the song.

Good job, enjoyed it and respectful of the arduous work required to make it all fit together.

Charlie
Posted By: PatrickH Re: Another Curve - 06/19/15 01:33 PM
Floyd, that was an excellent heartfelt ride. Don't change a thing!
Posted By: musiclover Re: Another Curve - 06/19/15 01:35 PM
Great song and production Floyd.

I would imagine that as stated by Charlie a song like this must be one of the most difficult to write and produce.

I like the lines,

"sometimes i wish she'd really leave
i pray to god she'll stay"

Both emotions intertwined together

You have done a great job, I can see another CD on the way soon.

smile

Musiclover
Posted By: boehm Re: Another Curve - 06/19/15 01:56 PM
Hi Floyd,

what a beautiful and touching song.
Great sparse arrangement. Your vocals
really shine.
I enjoyed this so much.

Guenter
Posted By: Greg Johnson Re: Another Curve - 06/19/15 03:40 PM
Masterfully written and delivered!! There is no more full or crafted pen on the forum. This is such a beautiful song about the ever common frail and struggling relationships with their oases and mind fields. A difficult and complex situation to write about but done this time so eloquently by a very skilled writer. Strings introduced in the end were perfectly measured. An awesome write, beautiful sparse arrangement, and a vocal which squeezed all the emotional juice out of such a fine lyric. Bravo!! Take care. Greg
Posted By: dani48 Re: Another Curve - 06/19/15 05:42 PM
Hi, Floyd !

I agree with what others,
who can formulate themselves
better than me, have said about
this tune !

This must be one of your
very best writes, though
I have to admit that everything
you do is simply the best !:))

Cheers
Dani
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/19/15 07:00 PM
Originally Posted By: c_fogle
This a complex and sophisticated song. The same for the seemingly simple production. I can see where 'early listeners' would be quite helpful getting everything to come gracefully together.

In the end, it did all come together even though there are a lot of curves thrown in the song.

Good job, enjoyed it and respectful of the arduous work required to make it all fit together.

Charlie

Thanks, Charlie. It mostly involved getting the piano to match the intent/emotion of the lyric. The NewAgeAnswers piano track is my "secret weapon". I've used it on all kinds of songs - especially the ones that I've done as piano/vocal songs. It plays the way I would play if I could play as a piano-singer-songwriter. And it has SO many variations. That one MIDI Supertrack is worth the price of the program. One could build a career using nothing more than that (I think). A few gens of it and pieced together at just the right times... it's golden. Thanks for your kind comments...
Posted By: Noel96 Re: Another Curve - 06/19/15 07:28 PM
Hi floyd,

What a great audio journey. The song and its arrangement are first class!

As I sat here listening with my eyes closed, the image that appeared in my mind was that of a guy sitting on a chair on a lonely stage. He looked a bit like Marlon Brando in 'Streetcar Named Desire' - roughly semi-dressed and wearing jeans and a white singlet; no shoes. The guy was half-talking, half-singing to the audience. (His partner had just stormed off into the wings leaving shattered chaos scattered across the floor in her wake.)

To my ears, this song has "from a theatrical production" written all over it. (I mean that as a compliment.)

As always, you've managed to invent some outstanding phrases that are not only conversational but also set the tone and clearly define the characters within the lyrics. Some of the word combinations that left me thinking, "ooooh, that's very clever, floyd" were...

  • front door screams (In my mind, this personified the front door. It's a terrific choice of verb.)
  • huffy last goodbye ('huffy' is a great choice of adjective - it adds a whole heap of indignant depth to the 'last goodbye')
  • exit cry (You cleverly made me think of 'war cry' with this phrase.)
  • I know the way her fever flows (A very creative way of saying 'she runs hot and cold'.)
  • The four lines from "You-don't-love-me accusations" (what a great compound adjective, by the way!) through to ..."the fault".
  • "Give your enemy an apology, Give your lover another day" (such very powerful lines that astutely summarise the duality of the couple's relationship)

I totally enjoyed everything about this.

Regards,
Noel

P.S. I forgot to mention how crystal clear your production is. It's outstanding.


Posted By: cubanpete Re: Another Curve - 06/19/15 09:27 PM
Gosh Floyd, what a beautiful song. I was involved in a relationship a very long time ago that made me feel exactly like that, so like they say "I feel the pain". tremendous song as usual my friend.

Mike B.
Posted By: Sundance Re: Another Curve - 06/19/15 10:34 PM
I agree with Noel - sounds like a song from a play. Not an easy thing to write. Beautifully done. Soulfully sung and that piano sounds terrific to be midi. What are you using for the midi sound?
Posted By: gibson Re: Another Curve - 06/20/15 05:40 AM
floyd
I read all the previous replies first for a change and Noel's shows how different we all are because I thought an Andrew Lloyd Webber style song and I am not a great fan of "stage-musical soliloquies"

But that threw me because I heard Neil Diamond trying to sound like floyd, laugh as soon as I heard your voice and the piano.
Definitely listening first from here on in!!!

I didn't like the piano arrangement initially but it quickly grew on me. nice sparse arrangement. All in all I enjoyed.

Your voice and production, as usual, are impeccable.
Alyn
Posted By: ROG Re: Another Curve - 06/20/15 05:54 AM
Hi Floyd.

I always like a song which leaves you with something to think about and this one is certainly thought provoking.

Aren't these supertracks great? I wish I could play piano like that! The only problem is that you wouldn't normally track this up - you'd do the tracks at the same time so that the piano could follow the voice. I can only imagine how difficult it was to sing and follow the piano, but you've got it just right and the whole thing sounds like it was done live. Magnificent.

ROG.
Posted By: Rob4580 Re: Another Curve - 06/20/15 08:55 AM
Very dramatic. Theres that Glen Campbell sound again.
This is such a good song.
There is a slight buzz panned to the R/H channel.
May be just me.
Posted By: Guitarhacker Re: Another Curve - 06/20/15 09:34 AM
A nice classic "Triple A" structured, Jimmy Webb kind of song. Don't get many in that style these days.

Very nice work. The piano is as crisp and pure as I've heard anywhere. I gotta look up, and play around with the SMP-NAA.

Exquisite is the work I would use to describe this. Loved the production as well. I was waiting for the "band" to kick in but as I began to realize it was a piano song, I was already well "into" the song.
Posted By: AudioTrack Re: Another Curve - 06/20/15 10:09 AM
Floyd

A crisp, clear, clean ballad. Beautifully put together with superb acoustics

Fantastic balance, absolutely top arrangement and so refreshing.

The strings filled in extremely sensitively

Tops!

Trev
Posted By: tommyad Re: Another Curve - 06/20/15 10:16 AM
floyd, The piano sound and editing is superb! The arrangement is very cosmopolitan. You must have gone to New York in your mind during the composition. The lyrics are intelligently crafted. The late entrance of the strings made them even more effective than if they had been there earlier. Sung with feeling and conviction. I liked it a lot and it shows another side of BIAB that we don't often hear on this forum. Congratulations on another fine piece of work. Tom
Posted By: 44kfl Re: Another Curve - 06/20/15 01:26 PM
Powerful song, well written, love the sparse arrangement.
I like that you held the title out until the end.
The piano mix was great, enjoyed.

Kenny
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/20/15 04:33 PM
Originally Posted By: PatrickH
Floyd, that was an excellent heartfelt ride. Don't change a thing!

Thanks, Patrick!


Originally Posted By: musiclover
Great song and production Floyd.

I would imagine that as stated by Charlie a song like this must be one of the most difficult to write and produce.

I like the lines,

"sometimes i wish she'd really leave
i pray to god she'll stay"

Both emotions intertwined together

You have done a great job, I can see another CD on the way soon.

smile

Musiclover

Musiclover - Thanks... I've always found this type song fairly easy to write - I think we've all been through this kind of thing...the trick is making it balanced - so that it doesn't become one-sided, angry, blaming kind of thing - the singer needs to share the blame to some degree even of just implied in order for it to work... thanks for the listen...
Posted By: RichMac Re: Another Curve - 06/20/15 06:27 PM
Hi Floyd.
I really enjoy the sparse clean clear style of this song.
The heartfelt vocal shows off the lyrics magnificently.
Like the way you let the ends of phrases fade.
Can certainly relate to the lyrics.
I think it all comes together perfectly.
My favourite.Cheers.
Posted By: Curt Young Re: Another Curve - 06/20/15 10:40 PM
Floyd,

The choice of instruments for this song is perfect - everything placed as it should be & another flawless mix. I, too was impressed with the entrance of the strings when you chose to bring them in.

Another masterful, wonderfully composed production...
Posted By: JoanneCooper Re: Another Curve - 06/21/15 05:01 AM
Phew! That is something else Floyd. As Charlie says, a complex situation is put across so beautifully in this song. Curve indeed.
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/21/15 11:36 AM
Originally Posted By: boehm
Hi Floyd,

what a beautiful and touching song.
Great sparse arrangement. Your vocals
really shine.
I enjoyed this so much.

Guenter

Thanks, Guenter. As always, I appreciate your continued support...



Originally Posted By: Greg Johnson
Masterfully written and delivered!! There is no more full or crafted pen on the forum. This is such a beautiful song about the ever common frail and struggling relationships with their oases and mind fields. A difficult and complex situation to write about but done this time so eloquently by a very skilled writer. Strings introduced in the end were perfectly measured. An awesome write, beautiful sparse arrangement, and a vocal which squeezed all the emotional juice out of such a fine lyric. Bravo!! Take care. Greg

Greg - I certainly appreciate all those wonderful comments. After listening to the cello again, I found I liked it, too, if I kept it from stepping on certain piano parts (particularly the ending) - thanks!
Posted By: Janice & Bud Re: Another Curve - 06/21/15 05:49 PM
"i know the way her fever flows"

Wow, that line just knocked us out. It is really defines the rest of the lyric.
We knew at this point that we were listening to a completely unique take
on the breakup theme.

The pianos and cello sound like they are played by folks who have worked
with you for years. This is a showcase within the User Showcase for illustrating
the power of RT's when arranged by one with prodigious skill. And we are coming
to take for granted the great vocal and clarity in the mix for which adjectives
escape.

Extraordinarily well done mr jane and it deserves a huge audience.

J&B
Posted By: RnAM Re: Another Curve - 06/21/15 08:05 PM
Hi Floyd,

I think this is one of your best songs, beautiful.
Both piano tracks blend very well together and leave lots of space for your voice. On top of that the song has a slow, quiet and even relaxing pace, despite of the pretty dramatic lyrics.

En... dank je voor je Nederlandse commentaar op Westerwolde
(And.. thank you for your Dutch comment on Westerwolde grin)

Anne-Marie
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/22/15 05:04 PM
Originally Posted By: dani48
Hi, Floyd !

I agree with what others,
who can formulate themselves
better than me, have said about
this tune !

This must be one of your
very best writes, though
I have to admit that everything
you do is simply the best !:))

Cheers
Dani

LOL!! Thanks, Dani - always glad to move it up one more notch! Good to see you back...


Originally Posted By: Noel96
Hi floyd,

What a great audio journey. The song and its arrangement are first class!

As I sat here listening with my eyes closed, the image that appeared in my mind was that of a guy sitting on a chair on a lonely stage. He looked a bit like Marlon Brando in 'Streetcar Named Desire' - roughly semi-dressed and wearing jeans and a white singlet; no shoes. The guy was half-talking, half-singing to the audience. (His partner had just stormed off into the wings leaving shattered chaos scattered across the floor in her wake.)

To my ears, this song has "from a theatrical production" written all over it. (I mean that as a compliment.)

As always, you've managed to invent some outstanding phrases that are not only conversational but also set the tone and clearly define the characters within the lyrics. Some of the word combinations that left me thinking, "ooooh, that's very clever, floyd" were...

  • front door screams (In my mind, this personified the front door. It's a terrific choice of verb.)
  • huffy last goodbye ('huffy' is a great choice of adjective - it adds a whole heap of indignant depth to the 'last goodbye')
  • exit cry (You cleverly made me think of 'war cry' with this phrase.)
  • I know the way her fever flows (A very creative way of saying 'she runs hot and cold'.)
  • The four lines from "You-don't-love-me accusations" (what a great compound adjective, by the way!) through to ..."the fault".
  • "Give your enemy an apology, Give your lover another day" (such very powerful lines that astutely summarise the duality of the couple's relationship)

I totally enjoyed everything about this.

Regards,
Noel

P.S. I forgot to mention how crystal clear your production is. It's outstanding.

As always, Noel, it is a pleasure to read your thoughts on songs and productions. It just so happens I look very much like a young Marlon Brando. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! I can certainly see this being done just the way you described it. You pointed out some of my favorite things about this song. I'm quite tickled, myself, with the title - I keep thinking "man! I like that title..." Thanks for your wonderful words...
Posted By: molsenhouse Re: Another Curve - 06/22/15 05:59 PM
absolutely beautiful and true about two souls and the struggle to hold on in the battle of love!
great vocals and lyrics, and use of the biab tracks – have to listen once again!

thanks for sharing, floyd!
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/23/15 01:53 PM
Originally Posted By: cubanpete
Gosh Floyd, what a beautiful song. I was involved in a relationship a very long time ago that made me feel exactly like that, so like they say "I feel the pain". tremendous song as usual my friend.

Mike B.

Thanks, Mike - seems like everyone's had one of these... smile Always glad when I can hook you with one - I know my usual stuff is not generally your cup of tea - thanks for stopping in...



Originally Posted By: Sundance
I agree with Noel - sounds like a song from a play. Not an easy thing to write. Beautifully done. Soulfully sung and that piano sounds terrific to be midi. What are you using for the midi sound?

Thanks, Josie - appreciate that. The piano is a 4Front TruePiano - they are exceptional - with a lot of variety between the different type pianos...
In this case, I had to add a bit more reverb to the TruePiano than I would normally chose to - so that it matched the sound of the RT piano (even though I had turned the reverb on the RT completely off - the recordings of some of the piano seem to have a "big room sound" to them - even "dry")
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/24/15 09:00 AM
Originally Posted By: gibson
floyd
I read all the previous replies first for a change and Noel's shows how different we all are because I thought an Andrew Lloyd Webber style song and I am not a great fan of "stage-musical soliloquies"

But that threw me because I heard Neil Diamond trying to sound like floyd, laugh as soon as I heard your voice and the piano.
Definitely listening first from here on in!!!

I didn't like the piano arrangement initially but it quickly grew on me. nice sparse arrangement. All in all I enjoyed.

Your voice and production, as usual, are impeccable.
Alyn

"Neil Diamond trying to sound like floyd..." HA! crack me up! someday, we'll need to share a beer over a discussion about that piano... thanks for the listen!...



Originally Posted By: ROG
Hi Floyd.

I always like a song which leaves you with something to think about and this one is certainly thought provoking.

Aren't these supertracks great? I wish I could play piano like that! The only problem is that you wouldn't normally track this up - you'd do the tracks at the same time so that the piano could follow the voice. I can only imagine how difficult it was to sing and follow the piano, but you've got it just right and the whole thing sounds like it was done live. Magnificent.

ROG.

Hi, ROG! Actually, the way I did this was to sing to the RT only (811:Piano, Acoustic, Solo-Acc PopVancouver Ev 100) which is, for the most part a consistent flow - it does have a few quirks now and then - I'm assuming modeled after Joni Mitchell's style of playing. Then, once I had that done, I added in the MIDI Supertrack (2066:Piano, Rhythm NewAgeAnswers Ev16 110) which is a lot more variable, to emphasize the lyric with its timing - matching parts of that track to the lyric... so that when I was finished, (hopefully) it sounded like a player playing for the singer... glad you came by for a listen...
Posted By: Scott C Re: Another Curve - 06/24/15 01:42 PM
Another awesome tune Floyd
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/25/15 11:29 AM
Originally Posted By: Rob4580
Very dramatic. Theres that Glen Campbell sound again.
This is such a good song.
There is a slight buzz panned to the R/H channel.
May be just me.

Thanks, Rob. Glen was my first influence.


Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
A nice classic "Triple A" structured, Jimmy Webb kind of song. Don't get many in that style these days.

Very nice work. The piano is as crisp and pure as I've heard anywhere. I gotta look up, and play around with the SMP-NAA.

Exquisite is the work I would use to describe this. Loved the production as well. I was waiting for the "band" to kick in but as I began to realize it was a piano song, I was already well "into" the song.

Thanks for all that, Herb. Appreciate it. Sometimes, ya just gotta give the band a break, ya know...
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/26/15 11:15 AM
Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Floyd

A crisp, clear, clean ballad. Beautifully put together with superb acoustics

Fantastic balance, absolutely top arrangement and so refreshing.

The strings filled in extremely sensitively

Tops!

Trev

Thanks, Trevor - you know I always appreciate when you drop by...makes me feel good that you consider the arrangement well done (since you are a piano guy... and, hey, when might we hear another from you?)



Originally Posted By: tommyad
floyd, The piano sound and editing is superb! The arrangement is very cosmopolitan. You must have gone to New York in your mind during the composition. The lyrics are intelligently crafted. The late entrance of the strings made them even more effective than if they had been there earlier. Sung with feeling and conviction. I liked it a lot and it shows another side of BIAB that we don't often hear on this forum. Congratulations on another fine piece of work. Tom

Tom - appreciate all that. I've always liked these type productions - which I could NEVER do if it weren't for BIAB!
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/27/15 10:21 AM
Originally Posted By: 44Aceman
Powerful song, well written, love the sparse arrangement.
I like that you held the title out until the end.
The piano mix was great, enjoyed.

Kenny

Thanks, Kenny... the title is one of my favorite parts of the song smile


Originally Posted By: RichMac
Hi Floyd.
I really enjoy the sparse clean clear style of this song.
The heartfelt vocal shows off the lyrics magnificently.
Like the way you let the ends of phrases fade.
Can certainly relate to the lyrics.
I think it all comes together perfectly.
My favourite.Cheers.

Richard - appreciate that... I would guess we've all had this situation at some point...
Posted By: dcuny Re: Another Curve - 06/27/15 01:09 PM
Fantastic write, and the cello coming in was perfect.

I love the space in the song - it reminded me of an early Springsteen song with a country flavor.
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/27/15 06:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Curt Young
Floyd,

The choice of instruments for this song is perfect - everything placed as it should be & another flawless mix. I, too was impressed with the entrance of the strings when you chose to bring them in.

Another masterful, wonderfully composed production...

Curt - It is always nice to see you drop by for a listen... I really appreciate it.


Originally Posted By: JosieC
Phew! That is something else Floyd. As Charlie says, a complex situation is put across so beautifully in this song. Curve indeed.

Thanks, Joanne.
Posted By: MarioD Re: Another Curve - 06/27/15 09:01 PM
Originally Posted By: RnAM
Hi Floyd,

I think this is one of your best songs, beautiful.
Both piano tracks blend very well together and leave lots of space for your voice. On top of that the song has a slow, quiet and even relaxing pace, despite of the pretty dramatic lyrics.


Anne-Marie


I couldn't have said this any better. All I can add is that you are one hell of a song writer, singer and arranger!
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/28/15 04:38 PM
Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud
"i know the way her fever flows"

Wow, that line just knocked us out. It is really defines the rest of the lyric.
We knew at this point that we were listening to a completely unique take
on the breakup theme.

The pianos and cello sound like they are played by folks who have worked
with you for years. This is a showcase within the User Showcase for illustrating
the power of RT's when arranged by one with prodigious skill. And we are coming
to take for granted the great vocal and clarity in the mix for which adjectives
escape.

Extraordinarily well done mr jane and it deserves a huge audience.

J&B

Y'all are always so nice... smile I have a huge audience - the good folks of this forum! (a good deal of them, anyway.....). Thanks, guys.


Originally Posted By: RnAM
Hi Floyd,

I think this is one of your best songs, beautiful.
Both piano tracks blend very well together and leave lots of space for your voice. On top of that the song has a slow, quiet and even relaxing pace, despite of the pretty dramatic lyrics.

En... dank je voor je Nederlandse commentaar op Westerwolde
(And.. thank you for your Dutch comment on Westerwolde grin)

Anne-Marie

Thanks, Anne-Marie. I appreciate that...
Posted By: SpaceDog Re: Another Curve - 06/28/15 10:36 PM
Floyd,
Sorry I'm late to comment on this one. Like they all said, this is something special. Well done!
SD
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/29/15 06:06 PM
Originally Posted By: molsenhouse
absolutely beautiful and true about two souls and the struggle to hold on in the battle of love!
great vocals and lyrics, and use of the biab tracks – have to listen once again!

thanks for sharing, floyd!

molsenhouse - thank you for listening!



Originally Posted By: Scottt709
Another awesome tune Floyd

Thanks, Scott...
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 06/30/15 01:58 PM
Originally Posted By: dcuny
Fantastic write, and the cello coming in was perfect.

I love the space in the song - it reminded me of an early Springsteen song with a country flavor.


David - that may be one of my all-time favorite "reviews". What I wouldn't give to be able to maintain a style that could be defined as "early Springsteen with a country flavor"! Thanks for dropping in!
Posted By: PgFantastic Re: Another Curve - 06/30/15 02:18 PM
If you could see me standing I would give you an ovation! This is outstanding, beautiful art; thanks for sharing! Amazing!
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 07/01/15 01:07 PM
Originally Posted By: MarioD
Originally Posted By: RnAM
Hi Floyd,

I think this is one of your best songs, beautiful.
Both piano tracks blend very well together and leave lots of space for your voice. On top of that the song has a slow, quiet and even relaxing pace, despite of the pretty dramatic lyrics.


Anne-Marie


I couldn't have said this any better. All I can add is that you are one hell of a song writer, singer and arranger!


Thanks you, Mario - that is quite nice of you...


Originally Posted By: SpaceDog
Floyd,
Sorry I'm late to comment on this one. Like they all said, this is something special. Well done!
SD

Thanks, SD...
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Another Curve - 07/02/15 02:25 PM
Originally Posted By: PgFantastic
If you could see me standing I would give you an ovation! This is outstanding, beautiful art; thanks for sharing! Amazing!

Well, I certain do appreciate that, Robert... thanks so much for stopping in for a listen... nice to see you come around again - you should do that more often - we all enjoy hearing what you are working on...
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