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Posted By: shannon88 Augmented chords - 01/24/14 02:51 AM
Hi There,

Im a vocalist and sing mostly by ear, so you will have to excuse my lack of chord knowledge.

During this process of entering chords from existing sheet music to create sheet music on BIAB so that I can transpose, Ive run into a big "augment" snag. BIAB recongizes "Caug" but nothing else like Aaug7, Eaug7, Gaug9 or Bbaug7. Those that I have listed previously, are examples of some of the augment chords I have run into. So I am looking for an all around solution to my problem and not just solutions to those individual examples I have given above.

So does anyone have suggestions of how to get around this snag? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Shannon
Posted By: raymb1 Re: Augmented chords - 01/24/14 03:55 AM
Click Help in BIAB - Index - type in chord list - double click on chord list and all the augmented chords will have aug or a + sign. Later, Ray
Posted By: Matt Finley Re: Augmented chords - 01/24/14 02:49 PM
You may also find chords with #5 in the chord name, rather than aug.
Posted By: Mac Re: Augmented chords - 01/24/14 03:44 PM
Originally Posted By: shannon88
...BIAB recongizes "Caug" but nothing else like Aaug7, Eaug7, Gaug9 or Bbaug7. Those that I have listed previously, are examples of some of the augment chords I have run into. So I am looking for an all around solution to my problem and not just solutions to those individual examples I have given above.

So does anyone have suggestions of how to get around this snag? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Shannon


Hi Shannon,

Fake Chords and their various ways of stating them have never been standardized, so one book may call a chord one way and another book may refer to the same chord as something that is called differently but is actually the same thing.

For Caug7 in BB you can simply type, "C735" and get "C7(#5)" when you hit Enter.

OR, you can type, "C7+" and it will appear as "C7+" on the chord sheet as well.

Both of the above play the exact same chord, the Caug7.


--Mac
Posted By: shannon88 Re: Augmented chords - 01/24/14 10:06 PM
Hi Everyone, thank you for all your help! Much appreciated!
Posted By: shannon88 Re: Augmented chords - 01/24/14 10:10 PM
Originally Posted By: Mac
Originally Posted By: shannon88
...BIAB recongizes "Caug" but nothing else like Aaug7, Eaug7, Gaug9 or Bbaug7. Those that I have listed previously, are examples of some of the augment chords I have run into. So I am looking for an all around solution to my problem and not just solutions to those individual examples I have given above.

So does anyone have suggestions of how to get around this snag? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Shannon


Hi Shannon,

Fake Chords and their various ways of stating them have never been standardized, so one book may call a chord one way and another book may refer to the same chord as something that is called differently but is actually the same thing.

For Caug7 in BB you can simply type, "C735" and get "C7(#5)" when you hit Enter.

OR, you can type, "C7+" and it will appear as "C7+" on the chord sheet as well.

Both of the above play the exact same chord, the Caug7.


--Mac


Hi Mac,

Thanks for the detailed help in clarifying. To make sure I am on the same page as you, examples are: as written on sheet music-Bbaug7 or Bb735 is equal to Bb7+ OR Bb7#5 OR G735 correct? And so if on the sheet music, it says, Gaug9 is equal to G9+ OR G9#5 OR G935, correct?

If I may ask another question, what is a small "o" in G3o7 or Bbo7 mean? This chord also doesn't enter in biab.

Shannon
Posted By: Matt Finley Re: Augmented chords - 01/25/14 01:07 AM
The small o means diminished. Type "dim". Example: Bbdim or G#dim

In BIAB, in most styles, a dim chord will sound as a dim7 chord.

There is more to this topic, if you need details. It would probably be better to use the BIAB forum, rather than this Woodshedding one.
Posted By: Matt Finley Re: Augmented chords - 01/25/14 01:10 AM
Also, when in Mac's post he uses 3, that is meant as a way BIAB enters #. BIAB understands that typing a 3 in this context means the symbol of the shift+3, or a sharp sign, is requested.
Posted By: raymb1 Re: Augmented chords - 01/25/14 02:27 AM
All of the info in this thread is no secret. It's all in the manual. Just look in the Help heading in BIAB. The answers to the majority of questions in the forum can be found in the manual. If you want a hard copy of the manual, you can probably call PG Music and order one. Later, Ray
Posted By: shannon88 Re: Augmented chords - 01/25/14 03:28 AM
Thanks guys, for your help. Again, I so appreciate this. I have a hard copy of the manual. I have been using both the manual and the online help inside BIAB. Ive looked and looked all over for these answers and haven't found it yet.

PS: I overlooked BIAB forum, I see it now. Thanks for the tip!
Posted By: raymb1 Re: Augmented chords - 01/25/14 04:29 AM
http://musiced.about.com/od/beginnerstheory/a/chordtable.htm

Hi Shannon. BIAB assumes that one has at least a rudimentary knowledge of harmony and chord structure. That's why there's no explanation of what comprises say a C7+ chord. The majority of people who use BIAB and are successful with it have that rudimentary knowledge. This is not to drive you away from BIAB, rather to encourage you to learn as much as you can about music theory. Check out the above site for beginning chord structure, read the manual and keep asking questions. Later, Ray
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