How great would that be fellow BiaB users???? Imagine if 2018 came with all or mostly all RT as SFZ ??? Our need for external sound libraries would mostly diminish, Right? Could it be done? Well, I have to say I am very satisfied with the quality of the few one that came with 2017, but we need more! Why would users be the one to have to do it? It's not that hard after all, but when and if PG -Music would do it, we could count on it would be the best, right?

I don't think that is possible. Real Tracks don't allow the user to control them like a virtual instrument. You can't just pop in a guitar track and control each note, the real track does itself because it is played by real people, hints the name Real Track.

Trygve what you are talking about is already available in MIDI and MIDI sound sources. RTs are not MIDI sound sources so what you are suggesting is not possible.

Also if BiaB came with excellent MIDI sound sources the program would cost thousands of dollars as good sound sources are expensive, especially if BiaB wanted them for all 128 GM sounds.

TL might mean like Sforzando RealTrack Solos ?

The ones in here ? :

What I heard and saw in your SFZ video was MIDI running a sound source. Why would PGMusic do that when there is so much competition in that field?

If you mean RTs in SFZ then wouldn't they be static loops? I don't know if you can regenerate a RT in SFZ.

Unless off course I am completely in la-la-land again and misunderstood.

You have the RealTrack playing but you would like it to play the notes you want in a section, rather than using Melodyne to try and stretch the notes you can use midi with the same instrument that was used to record the RealTrack originally, that has been sampled to an SFZ instrument, if you look in the Biab SFZ you will find some that have already been sampled:




In the video the RT is playing some bars then the SFZ is playing the next bars using your own notes.

Watch https://www.dropbox.com/s/6krkobu3yb65wsr/RealTrack-ShinyGuitar.mp4?dl=0
Download https://www.dropbox.com/s/6krkobu3yb65wsr/RealTrack-ShinyGuitar.mp4?dl=1
Click No Thanks Continue at bottom to skip login, download if not playing clear.

Unless off course I am completely in la-la-land again and misunderstood what TL is asking for.

Yes, exactly Pipeline...

I am afraid u r in this matter Mario... But u r welcome back anytime...;)

Got it, I think. SFZ is using a sound from a RT and using it as a MIDI sound source. Right?

I don't use SFZ so I am not as familiar with it as others.

You had better be careful now Trygve. My wife says I am the king of la-la-land

Haha, if u r the king there, I will invade it... and deport u...

Unless I am the one have invaded the la-la-land, u r right.. And that was the reason I posted the Idea that RT is an ideal source to make Sound Fonts from, but it needs to be made in a proper way, and I guess some of the staff in PG-Music is the one to made the one that we got with 2017, that I use a lot...

Seems like there is a need for a clarification on the matter?

I don't think so. My army is bigger that your army

No I got it. This is a good idea for those who use RTs and want to add a lead or harmony to a RT via MIDI.

A workaround would be to sample a sound from an RT, convert it to a soundfont with Creative's Vienna:

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/Creative-Vienna-SoundFont-Studio.shtml

then play it in either a soundfont player or SFZ.

Back a few years ago when SF2s were the big thing I used to chop wavs, usually a number of them to cover a better range of the instrument without artifacts, then use Vienna to make a SF2. Thus I know it works but off course I forgot how to do it!

Note that Vienna is an old program and may or may not work with today's computers. You may have to use compatibility mode.

There are probably other methods out there but I just remembered about Vienna.

The guy who makes Synthfont (Kenneth Rundt) also makes a utility called Viena (one "n") to be somewhat of a "Vienna" clone that you can use to make sound fonts. The original Vienna (as I recall) requires you to have a SoundBlaster Soundfont compatible card to work, whereas Viena doesn't care. You can download it from the Synthfont site.

I've been following this thread with interest...

I'm not on the newest BIAB/RB where folks are using the new SFZ content (I'm way back on 2015). So, I just assumed this was already shipping, so ignore if this is obsolete....

I've always liked the sound of Oliver Gannon's electric guitar, for example on "RT1086: Guitar, Electric, Soloist JazzSwing Sw 110"

If there were an SFZ derived from the notes played in this RealTrack, that would be great! Pop an SFZ MIDI track in, go into Notation window, make up your own breaks using Oliver's tone and "Bob's your uncle!"

There's probably tons of existing BIAB WAV material that would be great source material for a project like that, on all kinds of solo instruments.

Again, I just assumed that PG Music was shipping this content now. Is that not the case?

Free Archtop Guitar for RealTrack Jazz Electric Guitar (27)
The 24bit samples are at the bottom of the page http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=417093#Post417093

Haha, have u forgotten I am an old Norwegian viking? Vikings did not care about how big army there was, they invaded anyway...

Yes, u r right in that Chris. It came in 2017, Included with 31 soundfonts, all made from RT, if I am not wrong, or stil in La-La-Land. Time for u to upgrade?

I have not used all yet, but the one I have used, sounds pretty close to RT...

Go ahead, make my day

Yes, that is a possibility, but, as I read on another website; "In order to make a soundfont you have to understand the principles of sound synthesis, and a fair bit about how the physics of a soundwave work. You will also need to be familiar with recording techniques."
So, for me, not having that, I would prefer if PG-Music offer more of it.. But I guess they will do, little by little? Perhaps in package, like the RT? There is also another free program that some find better then Viena, http://polyphone-soundfonts.com/judownload/0_1502371177_e3tLlO/Polyphone_v1.8_win64.exe
Anyone tried it?

You can use Polyphone to create an SF2 GM set from the Band-in-a-Box Sounds SFZs.

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=411193

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=408973

SFZ you can use Keyswitches for Bends, slides etc.. but you can't do that with SF2.

If you use VSTSynthFont (1.096 / 2.096) - VST instrument as the default, that will load any sf2/gig GM or load a different SF2 GM for each track giving you more control over the sound as it's hard to find an SF2 GM that is perfect.

http://www.synthfont.com/soundfonts.html
https://musescore.org/en/node/94941
https://musescore.org/en/node/103046

Here's more reasons why:

BAND IN A BOX - make RealTracks instrument play the melody that I designate

Realtracks that play MY melody

Am I able to choose a RealTrack instrument for my melody line?

RealTracks Melody Not Editable?

realtrack melody

Assign a real track to the melody

Wow ! I did not knew the wish had been up so many times... Thanks for the head up Pipeline !

Yes, I used Polyphone to convert the Rock-Drums120 RD to sfz, worked fine.

He is exactly right. The .SFZ is an old format for loading virtual instrument to in a virtual rack. In fact you could just upload your own VST into BIAB and have it play inside it.