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#103732 - 01/31/11 02:42 AM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Sundance]
Shockwave199 Offline
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We have a new country station here and they're playing 10,000 commercial free songs- equals a month. Anyway, I find it and I'm listening to country again a bit. There were many current songs I haven't heard yet. The vocal was so out front on most of them, I was pretty blown away. I mean, the music bed was just kinda there in the background....kinda. I was really amazed by that. Some of it is border line accapella! Even though I write country primarily, I had to back away from listening to country radio. The music makes my blood boil. It's just awful now- almost all of it. And this in-your-face vocal mixing really kills it too.

I didn't get put off by the level of your vocal Josie. There's SO much more damage that can be done to that end! LOL! That's a tough balance and a choice really. When you shop tunes, some want the vocal out front more, some don't care, and everything in between. My style is that I tend to mix the lead vocal into the mix a bit. I used to be an out-fronter though. Over time I settled into a more seated level. The level is fine on this one for me. I'd surely rather have the lead be a touch loud than too soft, which can really bring a track down.

Yes- inch by inch. Mixing is an infinite learning process, so we have many, many inches to go!

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#103733 - 01/31/11 04:43 AM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Powderman]
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A very professinal piece all round. The song is beautifully written - loved the chord progression, especially in the chorus. Instrumentation, vocals, mixing, all spot on. Perfect start to my day, thank you Josie!

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#103734 - 01/31/11 11:27 AM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Skyline]
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Hi Josie,

Excellent! What can I say. I love the song. I think the vocals sound good. I think you have a winner here!

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#103735 - 01/31/11 12:03 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Steve Young]
Mick Emery Offline
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This is one classy song!
About as good as it gets...
Love the vocals. Actually... loved everything about it.

You can surely be proud of this.

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#103736 - 01/31/11 12:52 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Sundance]
Brallan Offline
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Registered: 01/18/07
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Hey, Josie:

Just finally caught up with this one... wow, better than ever. Listened to it three times, and it's dang-near perfect.

I have no quibble with the vocal, even as a "scratch," and the harmonies are sweet -- laid back and well-suited.

The only minor change I might consider is that some of the RealTracks instrumentation gets a little "busy" here and there, and distracts a bit from the vocal. I do this all the time myself, because the RT are so good, but I am trying to go back and fade some of the riffs and fills in and out, and change instrumentation altogether in different sections, for variety.

Wonderful song, though, and I agree... pretty much "radio-ready."
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#103737 - 01/31/11 01:39 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Brallan]
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Hey Dan,

The other day I was listening to a country song and I thought my ears were playing tricks on me. The bass was practically mia. Also weird and this has been going on for quite a while now - they make different mixes of the same country song for different "charts". Country gets one and A/C gets another. So when you hear a "crossover" you're not even hearing the same mix cross over. I like some of the country songs today but the sound not so much on a lot of them.

Thanks for the reassurance on the vox level.
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#103738 - 01/31/11 02:39 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Sundance]
Sundance Offline
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Skyline John,
I'm so glad you like it. I love the way you arrange your songs. Thank you so much.

Steve,
You are also one of my fav arrangers. Thank you so much for the thumbs up.

Mick,
Wow, I'm humbled and thrilled. Anybody reading this who doesn't know, Mick played with the greats - he oozes soul. Thank you so much.

Brad,
I know what you mean. It's easy to get busy with all the tempting choices in the RTs. I start with lots of sounds and then cut, cut, cut - could probably cut more. I'm paying more attention to that. Thank you so much.

It's a great feeling this song is resonating with so many of you. I'm also happy so many of ya'll like the vocal. To me, it's all about getting the "feel". Sometimes you get lucky and it happens sooner than later when there's no real pressure cause it's just a "scratch" - maybe a head trip kind of thing.
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#103739 - 01/31/11 06:49 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Sundance]
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Hi, Josie.

Thanks for posting! It's a strong song that stands up well to multiple plays. First, the positive:
  • You've got a good, memorable chorus.
  • You have a nice voice, and it sounds great here.
  • Good mix! That is, my first listen yesterday was in a very noisy room (bathwater running, kids playing video games), but playing in a quiet room gives the same impression.
  • Just about the time I started thinking "a bit of harmony would be nice here..." the harmony kicked in.
  • The instrumentation is good and (mostly) unobtrusive. I really like the piano, and how it's used.

Less positive (and very subjective):
  • My first impression of the melody was that it's sort of generic, with that "back and forth" feel as you bounce between chords. It's not that it's bad or wrong, it just seems unmemorable and not at the level of the chorus.
  • That "twangy" electric guitar seems to stick out of the mix. But I don't know the genre very well, so it might be appropriate.
  • In the chorus, each held note seems to have a lot of vibrato. Perhaps it's because of the harmony?
Anyway, I enjoyed listening.
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#103740 - 02/01/11 01:30 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: dcuny]
Sundance Offline
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Hey David,

Thanks for listening. I appreciate your thoughts - pro and con. I must admit that I got a chuckle out of the twangy guitar - twang is a country thang. LOL. But I know what you mean too much twang isn't necessarily my thang either.

My friend, i totally don't mean this in a bad way, so please don't take it wrong - but I've noticed you focus on this in many of your comments on other's songs as well so I'm going to say this as my opinion from one trained singer to another. Somebody, I'm guessing a voice teacher, has got you way to hung up on vibrato. To me it's just another singing tool with fast, slow, more, less, held, not held - all kinds of ways to use it depending on the singer and the song. Beyond classic chorale and training no hard rules apply in most genres - it's just a choice like cream in coffee or spice in chili.

Thank you so much for your perspective. I'm glad you enjoyed the song. Oh yeah, and thanks again for the tip on that thread about mixing on the reaper forum - it was great - one of the best discussions on mixing I've ever read.


Edited by Sundance (02/01/11 01:32 PM)
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#103741 - 02/01/11 02:02 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Sundance]
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Somebody, I'm guessing a voice teacher, has got you way to hung up on vibrato.



No, the only one to blame here is me.

Thanks for your gracious hint - I'll try to be bite my tongue about this in the future.

And I'm glad you enjoyed the mixing thread!
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#103742 - 02/02/11 07:02 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Sundance]
Marty Wittmann Offline
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Registered: 07/16/06
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Loc: Louisiana
Hi Josie,
You just keep churning those great tunes! Your voice as wonderful as usual. My only nit pick is the harmonizer is not as good as your own natural harmony that I have heard on your other songs.. The high part is too high IMHO. The mix and mastering was excellent as was the lyrics. You got a hit here.

Josie you are one talented lady.
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#103743 - 02/07/11 08:02 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: dcuny]
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Registered: 01/06/11
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I'll try to be bite my tongue about this in the future.




Here it is! Stomp on the person who has criticism until they shut-up. All that is left is empty praise. This is what the "showcase" hass become. Maybe that is what it is supposed to be, but I don't find it very helpful.

I think we need a "workshop" thread where people can share their constrctive opinion and not be ranted down. Ppl who aren't seeking that sort ofd input or just want an ego stroke can post here.

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#103744 - 02/07/11 09:42 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: PRearden]
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PRearden,
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Here it is! Stomp on the person who has criticism until they shut-up. All that is left is empty praise. This is what the "showcase" hass become. Maybe that is what it is supposed to be, but I don't find it very helpful.




David and I have no problem as far as I know and I've spoken to him since the post you quoted. Most of us here have gotten to know and respect each other. Many of us actually like each other.

If you want to comment on my song feel free. If you don't like the way I respond to people it's easy to simply avoid my posts. I think there's an ignore option altho I've never used it.

If you are truly looking for something "helpful" why not post a song of yours that you've created with the program - it's fun and you'll learn lots from the experience.

if you want to complain about the users showcase then I kindly ask that you start a thread on that subject in the off topic forum where you can say everything you want to say and get feedback from every one.

I'd appreciate it very much if the focus here on my song thread can stay on my song.

Thank you.
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#103745 - 02/07/11 09:43 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Sundance]
Sundance Offline
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Hey Marty,

Glad to see you back - been missing you around here. Thanks for the listen!
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#103746 - 02/07/11 10:26 PM [User Showcase] Re: Moonlight Dances In Her Eyes [Re: Sundance]
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Took my first listen. Excellent work. Superb vocal work. Thanks for sharing!


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