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#106232 - 03/06/11 12:12 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Recording Question [Re: silvertones]
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5. Go into PT and change patch on channel 2 to bass




In PT I set the patch number to the bass sound I want from the synth. Not by name, by number.

The names are only close if you are in GM mode. I suspect you have a performance mode and a GM mode. Using the actual patch number is more reliable. Names could vary. If you are using the word 'bass' in the PT patchlist, it may/may not correspond to the same number and sound in your synth. I would use the patch number from the Juno, and hard write it as before for the most reliable method.
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#106233 - 03/06/11 07:20 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Recording Question [Re: rharv]
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I went into my Juno and went into performance mode. I was not sure how to edit any of the pre-programed info. I was told I can program 16 midi channels with different instruments. I dialed up to 63: SEQ TEMPLATE and somehow ended up in 563: SEQ TEMPLATE. From there I assigned part 1 to piano and pressed the write button. It said it was saved. Part 2 I assigned to Bass. I assigned part 3 to patch 75 on the Keyboard function of my Juno - a patch called "Music Bells" . I then went back to my DAW and assigned channel 3 to patch 75 and chose the Roland Patch list. 75 is piccallo! I have already went to the Juno web site and downloaded the patch list to my DAW and imported it to patches.ini. However, the patches on my Juno device do not match those that come up on my DAW, even if I choose the Roland patch list. I did get my DAW to record different instruments on different channels. The problem is, if I don't have my Juno plugged in a choose it's midi drivers everything in my DAW reverts to piano.
So, if I keep my Juno plugged in and use the Juno drivers for both in and out, I can record different instruments on different channels. Next step - how can I save all of the parts together to a .wav file, keeping the intruments sounds I want, without everything reverting to piano?

Thanks as usual! Bernie

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#106234 - 03/07/11 07:56 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Recording Question [Re: rharv]
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5. Go into PT and change patch on channel 2 to bass




In PT I set the patch number to the bass sound I want from the synth. Not by name, by number.

The names are only close if you are in GM mode. I suspect you have a performance mode and a GM mode. Using the actual patch number is more reliable. Names could vary. If you are using the word 'bass' in the PT patchlist, it may/may not correspond to the same number and sound in your synth. I would use the patch number from the Juno, and hard write it as before for the most reliable method.



Yea I should of said to a bass patch whatever number that happens to be.He really should be using the appropriate patch map for the Juno to avoid this confusion.
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#106235 - 03/07/11 10:54 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Recording Question [Re: silvertones]
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Next step - how can I save all of the parts together to a .wav file, keeping the intruments sounds I want, without everything reverting to piano?





When using an external synth, you'll have to record the instruments as they play the seq file.

Run an audio cable from the synth to the line in of the soundcard, and record it.
Then you can mute the MIDI.
Many of us like to record each instrument to its own audio track first (for more control), but you can record them all at once if you like.
Then use the 'Audio - merge audio and DXi to stereo wave file' command.
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#106236 - 03/07/11 11:48 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Recording Question [Re: rharv]
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Also take some time to REALLY UNDERSTAND how the performance mode is setup and how to set it to what you need. This is key.
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#106237 - 03/07/11 06:44 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Recording Question [Re: silvertones]
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My understanding now then, is that I am either in "performance" mode or "GM" mode. The issue I have had is that in performance mode I can get separate instrument sounds (patches) to record. If I leave performance mode, everything plays back as piano.

Also, the Roland patch map I downloaded does not have the same sounds as those that show up on my Roland keyboard. As I mentioned earlier, patch 75 on my keyboad is totally different than assigning a track in PT to the same patch number.

As always, help is appreciated.

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#106238 - 03/12/11 04:17 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Recording Question [Re: Bernier]
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I found a possible solution to my problem. Please let me know if I'm on the right track...
I loaded up my song on PT with different instruments on different tracks. I set my keyboard/synth to performance mode. I plugged a cable into the outputs on the back of the keyboard/synth, and plugged that into the mic input of my PC. I then loaded a different audio program on my PC to record. I set it to record and it recorded all the instruments that I wanted. It appears that the sound is being processed by the keyboard/synth, running it through the midi patches selecyted on the synth (not PT) and outputting it from the synth to the audio out on the synth, then into record on my PC. The only issuer now is my one audio track is not being output - only the midi tracks.

Help appreciated!

Bernie

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#106239 - 03/12/11 05:28 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Recording Question [Re: Bernier]
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I then loaded a different audio program on my PC




No reason to do this. Just select the correct audio driver in PT Options Preferences Audio Drivers button.
If it was the 'Mic In' connection, set PT to that. It's not a good choice, but if it works for now ...

Look on the input side and select the soundcard with the 'mic in' as the port being used, make sure it's the only one highlited, then click 'Move selected device to top' button.

Now it is the default recording device.
Leaving things set up exactly as described by you in your post above, as far as MIDI cables and Audio cables, go to a new blank track in PT, right-click and set Type to audio-stereo.

Now hit record, and you should get a new track of audio from your synth.
Now yer rollin'.
You can also mute/unmute MIDI tracks and record each different patch from the synth to its own audio track for even more control.
I think you are really close to being really happy.
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#106240 - 03/12/11 06:32 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Recording Question [Re: rharv]
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If I am playing s song from PT through my keyboard/synth how can PT also record that output at the same time it is playing it?

That being said, I went to PT Options Preferences Audio Drivers button, and when the drivers window came up I selected Microphone and move selected to top, which it did not do. It just stayed on Microsoft Sound Mapper.

If I do get this to work, when I record will the audio track(guitar) record with the midi tracks?

Also, I was thinking maybe there is some way I can covert my POD guitar input to midi so it recoprds as midi. I tried converting audio track to midi - didn't work well.

I was looking at some of the other PT features and one I found was to be able to change the key by semitones. This would help as I have a very limited vocal range. However, I'd want to move all of the tracks by the same semitones to get them in my range after I've recorded them - is that possible?

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#106241 - 03/13/11 10:30 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Recording Question [Re: Bernier]
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Do you have a line in as opposed to the mic in? It would sound better.

Yes, you can record your keyboard as it plays, it is receiving MIDI from PT, generating the sound, and the idea is to record that sound.

Do you have a different selection than soundmapper? It may be better to select the one named for the actual soundcard instead of the OS.

Whichever you select to try, just make sure it is the only one highlited so it will be the default input.

"Move selcted to top" is only for the output, I forgot that.
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#106242 - 03/13/11 07:52 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Getting Closer.... [Re: rharv]
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So I've figured out that each time I use a different midi driver, that is what produces the sound. So, I use performance mode on my Juno keyboard/synth, choose the custom program w/patches I've made, and all is well. Now, I am trying to add my guitar part. I did not use the POD device at all - plugged my guitar directly into the ext input on my Juno keyboard. I can hear it while my headphones are plugged into the Juno. I have noticed that I can record an audio track using my guitar and POD device directly to PT, but cannot play all the trakcs back together using the JUNO keyboard/synth output drivers (I am assuming it is because the guitar recording is audio, not midi). So, I thought if I cold pass those guitar notes thru the Juno into PT in midi to record. How can I do that (if I can)?

Also, interestingly, I filled a drum track with midi drums with PT. I noticed that whichever midi drivers I am using, the drums remain the same (which is good!).

Help appreciated on the guitar.

Thanks! Bernie

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#106243 - 03/14/11 07:47 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Getting Closer.... [Re: Bernier]
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You can't pass the guitar thru in MIDI.
The guitar is audio so you'll have to record it as audio.

You are trying to use the Juno as a mixer at this point, which it is not.
But it does sound like you need one at this point..
A small mixer would make your life much easier.

OR
record the synth parts to an audio track, then record your guitar to an audio track.
As it is right now I don't see how you can hear the synth and record the guitar without a mixer...
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#106244 - 03/14/11 06:59 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Getting Closer.... [Re: rharv]
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How would the mixer be configured (what plugs into what)?

THanks

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#106245 - 03/14/11 10:16 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Getting Closer.... [Re: Bernier]
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I would use subgroup send (aux send) to send the signal to the soundcard, then you can pick which track to send to get recorded easily.

Keyboard line out to mixer
Pod line out to mixer
Computer line out to mixer

Then use the subgroup or aux send to send signal from the mixer to the computer
Aux send (or subgroup out) from mixer to Line In on computer.

That way you can 'hear' the keyboard, Pod and computer thru the mixer via the main out of mixer going to amp/speakers. And the other out (subgroup or aux) will send the signal you want to the computer to get recorded.

The MIDI connections would stay the same; the mixer only deals with the audio (actual sound) signals.

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MIDI out of computer to keyboard MIDI in.
MIDI in of computer to keyboard MIDI out.

Audio out (stereo out L & R) of keyboard to mixer channels 1 & 2
Audio out of Pod to Mixer channels 3 & 4
Audio out of computer to mixer channels 5 & 6

Aux (or subgroup) out of mixer to line in on computer.

Main out of mixer going to amp/speakers

That would be the connections needed.


Edited by rharv (03/14/11 10:22 PM)
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#106246 - 03/15/11 08:22 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Getting Closer.... [Re: rharv]
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Sans mixer right now, the only way I can do what I want is to play my song on PT with my performance patches loaded and runnig thru keyboard/synth drivers. Then plug a cable from my synth headphone jack out to the mic input of my PC (no line input), then launch a different program to record it into .mp3 format. However, now I'm getting an annoying hum in the recorded music - probably some kind of AC interference.

The next step is to import the recorded .mp3 into PT (which would render it as audio tracks) then add the guitar part I want to add, and save the whole mess as an audio file.

Am I on the right track?

Thanks -


Edited by Bernier (03/15/11 08:25 PM)

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#106247 - 03/15/11 10:29 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Getting Closer.... [Re: Bernier]
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If you can add the guitar you want in PT, you can record the synth parts in PT too!
Since it's a guitar effect I won't go into detail, but by turning all effects off, plugging the synth into the Line Level inputs you could record it the same way.
There may be a switch for changing the inputs from guitar level (very small) to line level (very large comparitively). You'll want to be careful here so not to hurt ant components. Turn the keyboard down and bring up slowly if in doubt.

**Consult the manual for hooking up line level signals, it should be mentioned in there. There are many versions of PODs. Some probably have the line level inputs on rear, some may have a switch; too many to check without knowing the model.

But yes, you could do it your way and lose the fidelity of the mp3 conversion. I'd try the above first. Also, the hum could be the computer soundcard from the power source pcking up hum. Try it for a few minutes on battery and see if the hum disappears. If so, a ground hum elimination device would work (raydio shark), or simply lifting the ground on the power plug by using a two prong adapter while recording.
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#106248 - 03/19/11 01:47 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Getting Closer.... [Re: rharv]
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I have no line in on my laptop. What I tried is plugging my POD device (for guitar) into the PC via USB, plugging a cable form the phones output on my synth into the line input on the back of my POD device, while keeping the synth plugged in to the PC also to make sure I get the correct patches. I then loaded my recording software (different from PT) and played the track back on PT, hoping it would route thru the synth, into the POD, and into the PC/recording software. I triewd different combos of midi drivers in PT. No luck.Maybe I have to activate the line level for the POD in the POD software - not sure.

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#106249 - 03/20/11 12:07 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Getting Closer.... [Re: Bernier]
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Sounds like you are close.

Plug in the USB POD connection before launching PT
Go to prefs- audio-drivers button and select the POD as the audio input device (it should be in the list) and make sure it is the ony thing connected.

Then leave the synth hooked up as you said, and open the VU meters in PT.
Play the synth and watch the VU meters as you slowly trun up the volume of the synth. If you see signal in the VU on the input side, you can record.
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#106250 - 03/20/11 07:13 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Getting Closer.... [Re: rharv]
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When I go to the options/prefs window and click on the audio tab, I am only shown audio driver type and audio file type (among other settings) - there is no where to choose the audio input choices.

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#106251 - 03/21/11 08:22 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Getting Closer.... [Re: Bernier]
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Go to prefs- audio-drivers button and
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