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analogy:
When I was a kid my Mom used to buy my clothes and shoes a bit large so that I could "grow into them. "
I have found the same strategy to be useful with gear.
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Just lostout on a bidding war over on Ebay: TC HELICON VOICELIVE 2 Item condition: Used Ended: May 20, 201108:17:04 PDT Winning bid: US $521.99 [ 25 bids ] Shipping: FREE USPS Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box I had if for $460, but in the last 5 minutes it jumped to final price. So the hunt continues. Did I mention that next tuesday was my birthday  ?
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Try these guys. Read the info. Start at a very low offer and work your way uo until you either get it or the price is out of your range. VoiceLive 2 NEW
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That is my view as well. what i focused on two years ago has changed. Right now i have spent the last year building up a nice set of live music. Recently I have had the bug to record a full album of original tunes.
So i try to buy gear that will allow me to accomplish what i want to do now and in the future.
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Just lostout on a bidding war over on Ebay:
TC HELICON VOICELIVE 2
Item condition: Used
Ended: May 20, 201108:17:04 PDT
Winning bid: US $521.99 [ 25 bids ]
Shipping: FREE USPS Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box
I had if for $460, but in the last 5 minutes it jumped to final price. So the hunt continues. Did I mention that next tuesday was my birthday ?
Dan,
Good luck in your bidding! My experience with Ebay is that if you know exactly what you want and what you're willing to pay for it, you will eventually get one at that price if you relentlessly bid on every one you see.
And happy birthday a few days early!
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I am spending a lot of time with my horns and my Voicelive. I'm gong to make a video and post it. I wonder if I should fire sale the thing, or keep working on it. My voice is a sad thing, the radiation killed it. I can talk for about 3/4 of an hour. After that it's just a rasp and a croak. But hey, I'm still here. I think.
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Surprized to see this thread reappear! Well I retuned the GuitarPort (never opened the box) - that was another thread. So now I have a little extra money. While I was at the music store I checked on availablity of a used TC-Helion VoiceLive II. It have always been on my wish list. Guy says they don't have, but they do have the new TCHelicon VoiceLive III. What the heck is that?? So he shows me a TCHelicon Voicelive Touch and says it is next generation, and a lot cheaper. So I look up a comparison. http://tcsupport.custhelp.com/ci/fattach/get/28398/Looks good, I like the Voice Looper, I like the price, seems to have the right features without going crazy. Just need to see if it can be cc controlled via BIAB. Found a favorable answer to that question: http://tcsupport.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2865Here we go again.....  Dan
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Well it is odd to have this thread again. Way back I tried to get TC Helicon to answer a simple question & that is what's the difference in harmony between the GXT & the M. I received a reply yesterday. They say the M is identical harmony wise. I wish I would ahave known this. The GXT is really nice and I haven't had but a little time with it however at second glance the tracking is exceptional but not perfect. The M being MIDI is perfect. For a guitarist the GXT is the only way but I had to create tracks anyway to drive the GXT. I could have just as well done MIDI tracks. One other factor was I would have needed a MIDI interface. In hind site I should have gotten the M for use with BIAB or RB.
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Well, I pulled the trigger today. Such a deal I could not resist. Amazon.com has the TCHelicon Voicelive Touch for a price so low they can not advertise it otherwise others would have to match it You have to put it in your checkout bin to see how cheap it is. (I'm not held to any such contractural agreements - $388 USD) . Got it and the Foot switch ($49 USD) being FedExed to me in the next couple days. 
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In hind site I should have gotten the M for use with BIAB or RB.
John, In reality likely a very small difference, but, there is always ebay. 
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In hind site I should have gotten the M for use with BIAB or RB.
John, In reality likely a very small difference, but, there is always ebay.
If I ever get out playing again I will do that.
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Well, I pulled the trigger today.
Such a deal I could not resist. Amazon.com has the TCHelicon Voicelive Touch for a price so low they can not advertise it otherwise others would have to match it You have to put it in your checkout bin to see how cheap it is. (I'm not held to any such contractural agreements - $388 USD) . Got it and the Foot switch ($49 USD) being FedExed to me in the next couple days.
I went to the TCHelicon site and watched the videos for your new gear... it looks like it will be a lot of fun! Keep us posted on how you're using it and which features you like best/use most
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John: I'm sure you will enjoy the harmonizer. I have a question for you or anyone else about using one of these with BIAB and or RB. Since I play bass on a gig or @ home, this is less than ideal to guide the MUS IQ.. My unit is a Digitech Vocalist Live 4. It works good enough for me with rhythm guitar. With a bass guitar the root note will select a chord change. Western swing requires switching to 4/4 mid song sometimes. Now we have usually 1-3-5-3 or 1-1-6-3-5 etc. NOT GOOD. My O.S. is Windows 7-64. I have an HP Pavilon dv7. lap top, 6GB of ram / 750 gb hd with intel CORE I-7 processor. I use the 1/8th ear phone out to an Allen&Heath ZED 10FX mixer. Present routing is: BB to Mixer stero ST2 in,- vocal mike to mixer--aux.1(mike channel-selective with send knob)- send to line in lef/mono of the Vocalist 4. Bass guitar 1/4 out to guitar in of the Vocalist 4--then guitar thru to bass amp. Step on a pedal and the wet harmony signal only goes to ST1 channel of the mixer. I almost never plug the mike into the Vocalists 4. The mixer has musch better pre. amps. and better E.Q. A third up and a third down fits most of the songs I sing. With this set up I can offer harmony to others when desired. By zeroing my vocal channel send and opening another, the Vocalist 4 can be used by others in the band. What I would like to do is send a RB or BB clean rhythm guitar track to trigger the Vocalist 4 instead of my bass signal. Panning the BB guitar signal full left or full right has not worked very well so far. Too much bleed from drums soloists etc. Also everything else has to be pannsd to the oppisite out. That sucks big time I am thinking that an external usb unit would solve this routeing problem for me. What would I need and how much money? I am open to suggestions. e.l.c.
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I've never found the real-time triggering of harmonies by a guitar to be dependable enough for a gig. Maybe with a keyboard, but the guitar produces too many asynchronous notes in a chord, each of which tries to change the harmony.
That's why I like the vocal processors that let you control the harmonies by continuous controller. It takes a while to set up, but once you have it, it always produces harmonies in the right key, and it always comes in on time. Plus you can turn harmonies on and off at will, use more complicated harmonies if needed, all without being distracted by trying to manually affect the harmony.
If your vocal processor supports MIDI control, I think that's the way to go. BIAB can embed the chords needed to control the harmony, and if you move the song to RB, it offers multiple MIDI ports so your vocalist chords don't accidentally play on your synth.
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I use 3 soundcards: 1. Audigy 2 ZS Notebook for the band 2. IKM Stealth for bass 3. Internal card to send,as you want, a guitar track to the Harmonizer. I'm finding the tracking of a guitar part to be less then stellar. In hind site I should have gotten a MIDI unit. The only people that should get one of the guitar controlled rigs are those that play acoustic guitar solo and have no other options. Don't say it Pat 
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I use 3 soundcards:
1. Audigy 2 ZS Notebook for the band
2. IKM Stealth for bass
3. Internal card to send,as you want, a guitar track to the Harmonizer.
I'm finding the tracking of a guitar part to be less then stellar. In hind site I should have gotten a MIDI unit. The only people that should get one of the guitar controlled rigs are those that play acoustic guitar solo and have no other options.
Don't say it Pat
using the internal card to send a separate signal to the vocal processor is an excellent idea, I would never have thought of that in a million years! In RB it should be possible to send different tracks to different audio outputs... instead of sending the guitar track, how about sending a sustained organ or strings track? The main consideration when triggering with audio is that all of the notes are played simultaneously. Guitars are problematic because the notes are all struck at slightly different times, which confuses the unit.
What I do to trigger chordal harmonies (basically the same thing the new audio units do) is:
1) I created a style that has only one instrument and one pattern (plays a simpl triad for every chord)
2) I named the style VOCALIST
3) when I want to add clean chords for harmonies, I load the VOCALIST style and generate a MIDI track, and it creates simple triads for each chord, without embellishments that tend to change the harmony
4) I send the midi chords to my unit, but if triggering via audio, you can route the soft synth's separate output to the vocal processor.
I bet that will work quite well... maybe even better than straight MIDI, because your unit has a newer faster engine.
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Actually, Kudos to you John for being candid and up front with your assessment. Others do learn from our lessons and experiences.
I am 98% sure the VoiceLive Touch will have Midi, Guitar and Aux inputs to drive the harmonies. However, not entirely sure about CC control. Lots of rumblings that the manual is very poor and folks just can't figure out what this unit does or how it does it with CC control. But of course, I will have all you folks to help me figure it out. Which I am counting on.
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I am 98% sure the VoiceLive Touch will have Midi, Guitar and Aux inputs to drive the harmonies. However, not entirely sure about CC control. Lots of rumblings that the manual is very poor and folks just can't figure out what this unit does or how it does it with CC control. But of course, I will have all you folks to help me figure it out. Which I am counting on.
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VoiceLive Touch accepts any of three inputs to drive the harmonies: guitar, MIDI, or MP3. If you plug in a guitar, you can elect to have it come through the mix with VoiceLive Touch supplying effects, or the guitar can be muted at the output, so that its function is only to drive the harmonies. Whether you play acoustic or electric, a Thru jack lets your signal pass through unaffected on its way to the amp. Besides the XLR and 1/4" inputs for the mic and guitar, VoiceLive Touch includes an XLR out, balanced L/R outs, a MIDI input, a stereo aux in, and a headphone out jack (with dedicated volume knob). This is a thoroughly professional unit with regard to its audio connections.
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http://www.tc-helicon.com/voicelive-touch-details-user-manual
page 18 of the manual says that the unit DOES accept continuous controller input
pages 27-29 show which continuous controllers change which functions of the device
pages 30-32 show the patch numbers, which you'll need to change patches via MIDI
cool beans, looks like it does everything you could possibly want to do PLUS looping!!
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[quotelink to the manual: http://www.tc-helicon.com/voicelive-touch-details-user-manual/<br /> <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> page 18 of the manual says that the unit DOES accept continuous controller input pages 27-29 show which continuous controllers change which functions of the device pages 30-32 show the patch numbers, which you'll need to change patches via MIDI cool beans, looks like it does everything you could possibly want to do PLUS looping!!
Indeed, all very cool, Pat.
However, this manual looks a little skippy and vague, and more to point this CC stuff will be new to me. Not sure If I will be able to use my BIAB tracks to trigger preset favorites at specific times in the tune or exactly what I will be able to achieve. So stay tuned I will appreciate dialing you in when I get stuck.
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And here I am still using my old school vocoder, The Vocalist by Digitech. Play the parts in on the keyboard and sing into the mic plugged into it at the right time. When I used it live I would set up one SM58 from my right and another from the front angled toward each other and when the tracks on channel 7 played the box sang the harmony just like it was supposed to. Live play was different from studio, obviously, because it was real time and I couldn't always play the keyboard that was controlling it.
I have played with the new breed that follows the guitar and they are extremely cool.
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