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Seems that every midi style I've tried will play a minor riff piano pattern at some point over a Maj7b5 chord. I'm not using real tracks so not sure if it applies to those as well. (Easy to determine by setting up a one chord file) Surely some kind of bug here.
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Alan, I just tested some styles, and they all work fine. But I discovered some strange things. For example, for the MIDI style grace.sty, piano track is correct, I mean we do get Xmaj7b5 chords, but for the guitar track play a Xmaj7 chord.
Have you some names of styles that don't work ? Did you do a 'Retun to Factory settings', it often solves many looking bugged situations.
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Hi John Luke, thanks for the suggestion, I'll try it. I'm testing most of the modern jazz style set just now and they all have the same problem.
As for the guitar tracks only playing a Major, that's a familiar issue I'm afraid. You'll often find they're using masks for riff patterns which don't distinguish between major and altered major. I've asked about this before but nothing has been done.
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I highlighted an issue recently with rendering files to WAV from BIAB 2011 (Build 318). Someone said the problem was because I was using ASIO rather than MME for my audio driver - changed to MME, restarted BIAB and tried rendering a song - exactly the same result - the real tracks/real drums become out of synch with the midi tracks, BUT only after a tempo change bar. It's as if the real track/drums can't cope with it. Everything works fine on playback direct from BIAB, only on the rednedered WAV file is there a problem. 
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only the rendered wav file is problem.
There is a method that comes to mind. I often open Audacity and let the song play through, fix and fade in the intro and outro and adjust other parameters there.
The advantage to this is you can start the recording in Audacity, go back to Band in a Box, play the file (I use replay after playing and adjusting it) and record it to a stereo track. In fact I have sent just drums or bass to separate tracks in Audacity and then I can change other things on each track.
Just a suggestion.
And if you didn't know Audacity is free.
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Do you have the realtracks updates? Not the prgram, the realtracks ... I seem to recall the tempo change issue was a fix at one point
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Yes, all the updtaes have been applied. I recall this problem happened around BIAB 2006/7 issue, with that in mind, I completely uninstalled BIAB and started again when I purchased 2011 - just in case. The real tracks are mostly new (purchased and downloaded in the last month or so) only the real drums are older, but as you say, the patches I have downloaded haven't helped at all. Just seems really strange that playing 'live' direct from BIAB works ok, only when I render a song is there a problem, and only then if the song has a rit. in it. If it's the same tempo all the way through the render is perfect!
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Boz,
An alternative way of making a WAV file (as opposed to rendering) is to use the Audio track in BIAB. Set the soundcard to "Record what it hears" (the actual name varies from card to card), then record audio in BIAB. The audio file will be saved to the directory that you're working in and will have the name of the SGU/MGU file.
Also, I notice rharv mentioned the Realtracks update. I've had a look at the support page and there's always an update for "RealDrums Sets 1-29 Updates - since June 2008 (230 MB)". I mention this just in case this update slipped by.
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Mmmm... Can't see why it just won't do what it's supposed to, it always did on the older version of BIAB, I wonder if there's a glitch on 2011?
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I know what you mean Alan at least with midi it's easily changed with editing . In real band I sometimes regenerate just a section until it plays something suitable . I'm totally lame when it come to chord substitution do you know a sub for maj7b5 chord ? Do you think a Cmaj7b5 as B7sus/C sub maybe that would send a different message for the riff patterns?
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B7sus/C would add an A that isn't in the Cmaj7b5 chord.
Bsus/C, no 7, would spell out from bottom to top as C,B,E,F# and would at least contain the same notes. Likely would sound best if the Style used an Open Voicing...
This might be a case where BiaB is being given a chord that doesn't make sense to the underlying ruleset. Often is the case where the *location* of a given chord within the other chords around it seems to have something to do with how BB handles these things.
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Thank You I see it now great substitution ! Seems to work so far ! 
Last edited by Tommyc; 07/12/11 07:58 AM.
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Yeah i like that one too! It's really strange though why this should happen. it could be based on what the other chords are but if this were true it's not a very logical choice for it to make (minor over altered major!) nor does it alter according to different songs/contexts.
The option in miscellaneous settings - " riff voicing type uses chord tones (or not)" should have helped but didn't.
I just think it would be better if you could configure the chord masks yourself so you'd have more control over where riff patterns occur. The way things are just now you will likely get Dorian riffs playing over mMaj7 or bland unaltered mixolydian riff voicings against complex and tense altered chord like C13susb9#11.
I may try the option to force a transposition according to chord type, but this involves changing each and every chord riff in every style I use. Again a more effective macro would be good to have .
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Someone said the problem was because I was using ASIO rather than MME for my audio driver - changed to MME, restarted BIAB and tried rendering a song - exactly the same result.
Again with the drivers... How in any way would the piece of software that tells the OS to interact with the sound card have anything to do with the program generating an incorrect chord?
Drivers have NOTHING to do with 95% of the issues posted here. That has become the "go to" answer for everything. By definition, a device driver is a computer program allowing higher-level computer programs to interact with a hardware device. It has nothing whatsoever to do with how a software program executes.
If your chord is not being generated correctly, there is a bug in the software, not the hardware outputting the sound. The driver for your sound card can not change and F# to an F natural.
Your sound card driver is a drinking straw that puts out what is put in. You can't put coffee in and get milk out.
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I bet there are more subs than Bsus/C for Cmaj7b5 that would be great on a sticky. Kind of a theory on a stick for the musically challenged like myself . I know about the sub feature but if in contained a little more knowledge of chord structure and scale modes that would help . If you don't C# you'll Bb !
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I was thinking along these lines myself, sort of an 'inversion reference chart'. I might have a go at it when i have time.
Other CMaj7b5 subs would be F#7susb5/C, and maybe Em9/C. you have to be careful to listen to the playback though. These chords could end up being embellished by the program in ways which have nothing to do with your intended use of them as inversions of Cmaj7b5. So if you're doing these workarounds It's best to set piano embellishments to zero in the style editor
re the drivers issue. I'm not sure if the poster understood my question or else posted his problem in the wrong thread.
Best regards
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I have found a sub to remove the maj3 on an E7aug9 (probably spelled wrong I'm no-school not old-school) G6/E , but it won't work in endings . Even the bass refuses to play the E and plays G. Maybe be just another quirk ! I don't how drivers ended up in a chord problem thread ,still better than notespam ! lol
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That sub doesn't remove the third, it does change it from Major third to minor third, though. And the dom7 would also be missing in action.
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