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#121055 - 07/14/11 12:42 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: Mac]
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Since the Gateway takeover, the Emachine lineup represents a very good value indeed.




This is where my information is likely out of date.

I was a Gateway employee in 2004 when the eMachine thing went down. We were told that Gateway purchased eMachine for the sole purpose of being able to leverage the retail stores into carrying Gateway computers along with the eMachines, using something dangerously close to blackmail in saying "Or we will pull the eMachines from your shelves completely." The Best Buy and Walmart type places did not want to lose the low price sales appeal of the eMachine, so they deferred to Gateway and made room. At that time, we were also told that the production of the eMachines would remain in Taiwan, as would the support.

This strategy allowed Gateway to close their retail stores and save the overhead that went with those stores. I was part of that overhead, though that has no bearing on this topic. I was not a fan of Gateway even when I worked for them. The point is that it has become homogenized to a point where sales kids in Best Buy are telling customers that eMachines are "made by Gateway". As of the last information I had, now out of date by 7 years, that is not accurate. They are OWNED by Gateway, but not produced by Gateway. That may be different now, but at that point in time, the correct analogy would be that while Chevy and Pontiac are both owned by GM, Chevy parts are not made at the Pontiac plant.

My thought is that as long as it says eMachine it is not a Gateway, and vice versa, and the last I knew of eMachine their support was still in Taiwan and close to impossible to reach. I tried to find contact information for them online once, and everything was web based with no phone numbers provided. I have not touched an eMachine since 1997, and I only owned one which I ended up throwing away, so I may be wrong on all of this due to the age of the knowledge.

Has their support improved?
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#121056 - 07/14/11 12:55 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: eddie1261 - gone]
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Has their support improved?




Their website is informative, giving the info I needed when I needed it, as far as specs etc.

Haven't had a need to contact support for any issues, which says something in and of itself.
I thought most computer companies farmed out the tech support for years now.
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#121057 - 07/14/11 02:09 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: jcspro40]
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Hi jazz the way Im going to work on here for writing my songs is using biab for the chord structure\styles etc and then using RB to use effects editing solos etc.When Im happy with the mix I will then mix down on to my Roland vs-880. If I then need to add harmonies or maybe a keyboard or guitar riff for me its easier using my DAW than trying to do this on computer using biab.Ive got good nearfields for putting out a final mix so having a computer that flows with biab\rb is essential.Cheers Frank
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#121058 - 07/14/11 02:42 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: tributeman]
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I wasnt sure if I should go down the "build your own road" but JCS might have just about convinced me to do exactly that.




I’ve come to the conclusion that there is no one BEST off the shelf machine for anyone. Even if you have Gateway or Dell build you a computer you are still stuck with the things that they are willing to offer you. If you build your own, you decide up front what you need, and build it to those specs, and if you are smart, you leave yourself some room to upgrade later.

I recently built a nice Intel i7 2600 K computer loosely built on the specs of this commercially available audio work station and using instructions that were available for FREE from the My SUPER PC website . I have exactly what I wanted built into my computer, nothing more and nothing less. I put in a powersupply that was ample for the number of hard drives and the high end graphics card that I put in, and I know exactly how it was put together if I ever need to trouble shoot a problem. Personally, I'll never buy off the shelf again.
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#121059 - 07/14/11 02:50 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: tributeman]
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Edited by ZeroZero (07/14/11 02:51 PM)
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#121060 - 07/14/11 02:53 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: KeithS]
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Even on the Dell I just bought, which runs just fine and does what I need, I had to go out and buy the dual head video card because I prefer to run 2 monitors. I put my BIAB on the left screen and anything/everything else on the right. Sometimes Sonar, sometimes Finale, sometimes nothing musical, like maybe a browser window to keep an eye on email...

Adding the dual head video card from Dell would have run me $200. Buying it myself I spent $125. And anymore this is so dummy proof.... "Put CD in drive now and click OK" is pretty straightforward.

Good points to be made in both camps. Love good discussion like this!!!

Like Yogi Berra said, "You can hear a lot just by listening."
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#121061 - 07/14/11 03:13 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: eddie1261 - gone]
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My gripe with off the shelf computers is simple. they load that darn thing up with crap, and now i have to fuss to get it off there, and sometimes it just fights back. I build a simple audio computer about 8 years ago and the darn think is still running. It is a bit tired these days but will still with a single core Mammaboard resord 15 to 20 tracks with out breaking down. I am currently looking for a decent two three year old refurbished machine like a dual core with 2 gig ram. to replace it. Just that small bit of upgrade outta smoke my current setup. Geeks.com has them for under $200 POP my 320 gig second drive in with BiaB and all my toys on it and record like a mad man. I really want a rack mount case to pop in my rack system and roll it around where ever i want.

Laptops are nice as well, but require me to change sound cards, and that is another expense.
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#121062 - 07/14/11 05:58 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: Robh]
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I once plugged in a brand new Compaq that I was setting up for a customer. I got

<get ready for it>

THIRTY SEVEN POPUP WINDOWS!!!

From Musicmatch Jukebox, from the demo versions of 5 different pieces of trialware....

I wrote SUCH a nasty letter to Compaq (and yeah, I'm sure they cared) about how their greed is ruining the computer buying world. If I want Music Match, Roxio, WinAmp, Nero or any of the other junk they pre-load (for a fee), I am capable of finding and downloading it myself.

My first stop is the add/remove programs panel and I start kicking them out!!
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#121063 - 07/14/11 06:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: eddie1261 - gone]
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Thanks for the Dans Data link ZeroZero, I never seen that site before!

And I have heard all sorts of numbers tossed about for a 32bit system, from 2.8gb up to 3.5gb, but I have never seen it go above 3.2gb without some kind of software "switch flipping".
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#121064 - 07/14/11 09:41 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: jcspro40]
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I just purchased a new system from Dell to use strictly for music. I got a I5 with 8 gig of ram, terabyte of hard drive and dual monitors for just under a thousand dollars. I gota say, I love it and it blows everyone away when they see those double monitors!
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#121065 - 07/15/11 02:23 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: earl kirby]
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jc

I dont know whether you have tried running in 64 bit, but drivers permitting this is the best way to go IMO I dont get any issues at all with RAM its blue sky all ythe way. I put in 12 gig, but find I never use that much and i have Cubase with some heavyweight apps . In particular a heavily sampled piano will max a 32 bit system
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#121066 - 07/15/11 05:14 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: ZeroZero]
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can I just say this is the most in depth info Ive ever received on any post on any forum you boys are the best.And if I ever have a hit song I will credit all of you(no royalties mind you)lol.Thanks again.. my son who is taking a look at all the posts will have a lot to chew over
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#121067 - 07/15/11 10:19 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: Robh]
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My gripe with off the shelf computers is simple. they load that darn thing up with crap, and now i have to fuss to get it off there, and sometimes it just fights back. ...




There is a program that is FREE to private users at home, The PC DECRAPIFIER.

Run it once on the brand new OEM computer and it gets rid of all that added junk, leaving it pretty much the same as if you installed the OS and nothing else from scratch yourself.

So this is now a nonproblem (although it once was).

http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/

I usually run the OEM PC just as it comes out of the box first, for a day or two, just to establish that everything is working properly and not in need of return or exchange, then, when over that hurdle, I run the DECRAPIFIER on it and voila! Lean, Mean Music Machine.


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#121068 - 07/15/11 10:32 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: Mac]
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Nice call Mac, i will download that dude!
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#121069 - 07/18/11 11:09 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: jcspro40]
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Hi,I would like some comments on this possible upgrade for my computer.Thanks Frankie

AMD Athlon 64 X2 7550 2.5 GHz Socket AM2+ 2MB Cache OEM Processor £36.52

Extra Value Thermal Compound Silver Grease £0.59

Zalman CNPS7000C-CU Super Flower Socket LGA775, AM3, AM2+, AM2, 754, 939 and 940 Processor Cooler £15.72

Samsung HM500JI 500GB 2.5" Hard Drive SATAII 5400rpm 8MB Cache - OEM £44.68

Inwin EM020 Shiny Black MATX Screwless Case With 400W PSU - 20+4pin £36.51

Kingston 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 1066MHz/PC2-8500 Hyperx Memory CL5(5-5-5-15) 2.2V £25.00
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#121070 - 07/18/11 11:21 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: tributeman]
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Why the slow hard drive?
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#121071 - 07/18/11 11:29 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: John Conley]
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Same question, John.

I would double the RAM and get a 10,000 rpm hard drive.
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#121072 - 07/18/11 12:45 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: eddie1261 - gone]
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Is there a MB listed there, or does the old system have a AM2+ socket already?

Beware, during my research I found a few motherboards that slow down when used with the AM2+ processor instead of an AM3 or 4. Pushed me to go to the Phenom II line.

BTW, I got a MB, Phenom X3, with fan and 2 gig RAM for $184, not sure how yours adds up all things considered. I had case, IDE drives and power supply laying around. All parts assembled already so I didn't need the thermal-juice. MB handles 6 SATA and 2 IDE if powersupply does, also supports hardware RAID.

And for those interested, I received it Saturday, assembled Sunday and it is a nice system so far. Clips along pretty well. They actually sent a better processor and motherboard than I ordered. Processor is faster, better reviewed, and MB had HDMI (which the one I ordered didn't).
Now to add the RAID stuff. Gotta find an affordable set of 4 SATA drives.

Then to see if RB works in Server 2008, just for fun. If not, I may switch the OS to Win7 Pro.
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#121073 - 07/18/11 07:09 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: jcspro40]
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how much ram can you add to an e machine/ i have 2 gigs now can i go to 6 gigs with out over clocking
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#121074 - 07/18/11 08:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: best computer [Re: marvin]
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Samsung HM500JI 500GB 2.5" Hard Drive SATAII 5400rpm 8MB Cache - OEM £44.68


Kingston 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 1066MHz/PC2-8500 Hyperx Memory CL5(5-5-5-15) 2.2V £25.00




Since this is an upgrade I will assume that you have another HDD for the OS & some other ram already installed....

I would double the ram & grab a HDD that is at least 7400rpm, and that has the biggest cache that you can afford.

I went thru 6 months of memory hassles between Tiger Direct & Corsair because the memory that they said would work in my MB did not. I grabbed some Kingston Value ram and absolutely no problems. Make sure you check your motherboards recommendations on what ram will work, & stick with that brand to save you some headaches....
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PG Music News
RealTracks Patch Update for Windows Users

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows users can download the latest RealTracks update patch (519) here.

This patch includes some RealTracks audio updates we have made since the release of Band-in-a-Box 2018. 2018 users should be sure to download the latest Band-in-a-Box 2018 update patch (519), as that patch includes the bulk of the fixes for RealTracks released with 2018. This is a larger download than typical because it updates the Vocal Oohs and Aahs RealTracks audio files. There is more information and Audiophile patches available here.

Summary of RealTracks Audio updates:
Improved: There were small issues with the tuning of several Bass styles. This has been fixed for both the original mix and the direct input mix. This affects the following RealTracks:
- Bass, Acoustic, AmericanaSlow16thsByron Ev16 060
- Bass, Acoustic, AmericanaSlow128Byron Sw 040
- Bass, Acoustic, RockabillySwingByron Sw 190
- Bass, Acoustic, BluesyPopByron Ev 100
Improved: Audio glitches have been removed from the ends of phrases in the Vocal Oohs and Aahs RealTracks.

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows Patch Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows users can download the latest (free) update patch (519) here.

Summary of changes:
Added: Additional dialog available for detailed information in the StyleMaker (fields for memo, examples, and other parameters). These are set in the StyleMaker (more dialog, a button called "Style Memos etc").
Added: Help Video button Added to the Audio Harmony dialog.
Improved: ABC opening improvements with some accidentals, and leadin bars that occur in middle of song.
Improved: Audio harmonies now used Improved algorithms, and can be easily set using N voices above, M voices below (and have additional functions like duplicate melody, and dup. melody octave below).
Improved: Lyrics will be now read from .mid files that used to be karaoke files (.kar) and got renamed somewhere along the line.
Improved: Support for RealTracks that should be transposed only lower (ie heavy metal guitars) and for future Improved metal guitar comping.
Improved: The Audio Harmony Dialog has been rearranged to be more intuitive when using Band-in-a-Box Intelligent Mode.
Fixed: Audio harmonies might be missing some notes.
Fixed: Audio harmonies would be generated with the wrong notes if selecting a range of audio in the middle of the track.
Fixed: Band-in-a-Box might crash on bootup with error "Read Beyond end of file".
Fixed: Band-in-a-Box should show message if the latest VJT application is not installed when the user tries to render videos.
Fixed: File > Open Special > Open Audio was importing audio instead of opening it in a new song.
Fixed: In the Bar Settings window, "Chordsheet and Notation - Start a New Line" should say "Notation - Start a New Line".
Fixed: It was not possible to record audio using WAS audio drivers if "Output always on" was disabled.
Fixed: Misc. RealTracks updates.
Fixed: Quicklist drums picker sometimes showing too many drums in the list.
Fixed: Redundant flash messages were showing.
Fixed: Removing a custom drums from a track would still display Drums as the name of the loop in the track.
Fixed: Rendering audio while there is a region of bars highlighted in the chord sheet might cause a crash.
Fixed: Saving a MIDI file would fail unless saving as type 1.
Fixed: Some 12-key RealTracks were incorrectly set to allow transposition.
Fixed: The Audio Harmony dialog needed some hints.
Fixed: The Audio Harmony dialog was missing the new Band-in-a-Box Intelligent Mode.
Fixed: The VJT application should print out its version number in log files.

Tutorials - How to Install Your Band-in-a-Box® for Mac Hard Drive

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Option 2: Install Band-in-a-Box® on your computer hard drive, but leave the RealTracks & RealDrums on the USB hard drive: click here to view.

Option 3: Install Band-in-a-Box® and the RealTracks & RealDrums on your computer hard drive: click here to view.

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Video - Downloading and Installing RealTracks Sets for Band-in-a-Box® for Mac

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Thoughts on Band-in-a-Box® 2017 - Mac Power Users Discussion

David Sparks and Katie Floyd discuss a variety of topics in their recent episide of Mac Power Users: https://www.relay.fm/mpu/432 - listen all the way through (and laugh along with them - it was a very entertaining episode!), or jump to 1:37:40 where David shares his thoughts on Band-in-a-Box® 2017 for Mac!

Thank you David and Katie!

Polish New Features Video for Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows

Our Polish Distributor, Sound Station, has finished their Band-in-a-Box 2018 New Features summary video (in Polish!) - click here to watch.

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