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#122386 - 07/29/11 09:43 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: silvertones]
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I'll throw in my typical weird question:
How many do not get the updates due to the fact that your wife,husband or significant other is not a musician and thinks that it's, a frivolous unnecessary purchase?




My hope is the answer to that question in "0" for too many reasons to list here.

Later,
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#122387 - 07/30/11 06:48 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: Danny C.]
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That does not happen here, but I shopped hard and long for wife #2.

My brother on the other hand, now married over 30 years calls to ask how many sheets of paper he's allowed to wipe with in the bath room at the Hudson's Bay Store before getting it wrong, again.

My wife wouldn't know how the money works anyway only 1/2 of her is Hebredian, which according to my spellchecker is really harebrained, but I'm 100% of the Isles, so I trumped her, and I've walked across her island too, I see why they left ach aye.

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#122388 - 07/30/11 03:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: John Conley]
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Why would you ever tell anyone anything about a upgrade in Biab ,they know something is up when you start smiling for no apparent reason . My oldest grand daughter just sprang for mine don't tell mama .

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#122389 - 07/30/11 04:19 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: Tommyc]
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Also keep in mind here that PG Music isn't "holding back" features so there CAN be a "next upgrade". As they come up with new stuff, they make it available. This is not a business model based on planned obsolescence. Your new car will rust. Your new clubs will need grips in 4 years. Your boat needs to be winterized every year. BIAB will keep going and going a la energizer bunny as long as your computer is running, and on to the next computer if you are a smart enough user to run from an image and save the patches elsewhere to avoid a catastrophic crash scenario.

John, glad your shopping resulted in a quality #2. I tried three of them and I am staying out of the store.....
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#122390 - 07/30/11 05:02 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: Tommyc]
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Why would you ever tell anyone anything about a upgrade in Biab ,they know something is up when you start smiling for no apparent reason . My oldest grand daughter just sprang for mine don't tell mama .




Very nice grand child
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#122391 - 07/31/11 02:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: silvertones]
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I can live with the BIAB pricing. I don't think they're trying to put one over on anybody.

What I want is the ETHENOL out my gasoline. My car was quicker and got 4-5 more mpg before.
Talk about a downgrade. My car went from 23-24 mpg to 19mpg. And lost a some pep.

Wayne, (I love my 1993 Bonneville)
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#122392 - 07/31/11 09:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: redguitars]
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What I want is the ETHENOL out my gasoline. My car was quicker and got 4-5 more mpg before.
Talk about a downgrade. My car went from 23-24 mpg to 19mpg. And lost a some pep.

Wayne, (I love my 1993 Bonneville)




A BIG +1

My truck went from 19 mpg to 15 mpg! That is without the air conditioning on!

Ethanol, our government’s latest feel good do harm policy!


Edited by MarioD (07/31/11 09:41 PM)
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#122393 - 07/31/11 11:11 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: DJL]
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I've been around for quite awhile too, and it is sad to see the prices getting up to where they are. I know it's a GREAT product, but it is starting to get out of reach for a lot of us.
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#122394 - 08/01/11 12:18 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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You talking about BIAB or gasoline, Bob?
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#122395 - 08/01/11 08:08 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: eddie1261]
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Sorry to have to admit it, but tough economic times here at the Jazzmandan house. Always have justified in the past the cost (and I do agree well worth the $), but at this time wifey has placed a lock on the credit card. She tells me she may unlock it soon, so here it is Aug 1, will they extend the sale price?

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#122396 - 08/01/11 09:55 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: MusicStudent]
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I can see everyones point of view here, my own opinion is that the program started to get a bit more expensive since the mid year updates were introduced, and since the mid year biab program on its own is no longer free in effect you are signing up to 6 mths updates (instead of a year) each time you upgrade.

Another little thing that annoys me is when a new user appears say around october or november and asks about the program, not many long time uers say "hey buddy its a great program but Please if you can wait to christams time and buy it in the sale you will save $$$$$$$ that way" Its as if its a well kept secret that first time visitors are not allowed to know.

I hope that PG takes everyones views on board and Not SLowly Kill the Goose thats Laying the Golden Egg.

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#122397 - 08/01/11 10:13 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: musiclover]
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The formula is quite simple:

More RTs = more money. As more and more people want specific RTs, which is a good thing, more and more time is put into studio and that means more money outlay for PGMusic. Hiring musicians, recording, converting to RTs and delivery all cost.

The same thing is true for the midi side. If you want good midi you have to put out more money. Kontakt sounds better than SF2s. A $3,000 USD keyboard/tone generator will sound better than Kontakt.

Back to RTs, you don’t have to upgrade the whole enchilada every time. The new BiaB will play the old RTs just fine. So one can upgrade the engine (BiaB/RB) for $69 USD then pick and choose what new RTs you really need.

I know I wanted the whole enchilada this year but other purchases had to come first.

Just my two USD cents.
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#122398 - 08/01/11 11:10 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: musiclover]
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I can see everyones point of view here, my own opinion is that the program started to get a bit more expensive since the mid year updates were introduced, and since the mid year biab program on its own is no longer free in effect you are signing up to 6 mths updates (instead of a year) each time you upgrade.




Let's see if I get this. Let's say that PG has 100 new RTs to put out each year.So come Jan. They put out 100 & some upgrades in the program and you buy it. Now they start working on the next release. Instead of waiting until next Jan to put it out they put it out with 50 RTs and some updates in June.Those that can afford it buy mid year & get 50 new RTs. Those that can't afford it get the 100 RTs at the end of the year.So those that can't afford it are at the same place we'd all be if they only did a once a year update. That's how I see it.It's just bugging you that those 50 mid year RTs and updates are out there to buy and you won't do it out of some sort of principal.As I see it those willing to pay $99 mid year are getting to use the new RTs 6 months earlier then those that don't buy it.

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Another little thing that annoys me is when a new user appears say around october or november and asks about the program, not many long time uers say "hey buddy its a great program but Please if you can wait to christams time and buy it in the sale you will save $$$$$$$ that way" Its as if its a well kept secret that first time visitors are not allowed to know.




Not my job.

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I hope that PG takes everyones views on board and Not SLowly Kill the Goose thats Laying the Golden Egg.




Something tells me that they really don't need us telling them how to run their business.
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#122399 - 08/01/11 11:54 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: silvertones]
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Good points above. The #1 reason to upgrade in the summer is to get those RT's to use now. Plus next December, if they introduced all the RT's that everyone wanted, PGM might not be able to afford as big of a sale price. That's the risk those of us take when we don't sign up for the mid-year update. I hope they have a big sale next December for BIAB 2012, but PGM has to make money to stay in business -- and we all want them to stay in business.
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#122400 - 08/01/11 12:36 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Pricings getting further out of reach? [Re: silvertones]
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Good points, John. Hmmm, is that once or twice I've agreed with you this year?

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