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#126677 - 09/12/11 10:00 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Ryszard]
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This whole thing is a good example of how something like 9/11 happens. Terrorists with expired visas wanting to learn to fly, but not land, airliners - NO PROBLEM. Exotic wood being imported - FALL OUT IN FULL COMBAT GEAR!
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#126678 - 09/12/11 10:20 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Ryszard]
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#126679 - 09/12/11 11:00 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: jazzmammal]
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#126680 - 09/12/11 12:08 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: rubberball103]
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#126681 - 09/12/11 12:31 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Ryszard]
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#126682 - 09/12/11 12:36 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: rubberball103]
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#126683 - 09/12/11 01:15 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Ryszard]
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#126684 - 09/12/11 09:53 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Ryszard]
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#126685 - 09/13/11 10:22 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Ryszard]
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#126686 - 09/15/11 07:22 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Ryszard]
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Well in the US when you want to change something you can always sign a petition:

http://www.change.org/petitions/the-pres...-lacey-act-fair

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#126687 - 09/15/11 07:29 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: MusicStudent]
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Thanks Dan.
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#126688 - 09/16/11 12:47 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: MusicStudent]
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Well in the US when you want to change something you can always sign a petition:

http://www.change.org/petitions/the-pres...-lacey-act-fair




You CAN but all it will do is maybe make you feel better. We don't even vote for our president so the whole idea of US democracy is just a sick joke.
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#126689 - 09/16/11 02:15 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: rubberball103]
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The United States of America has never BEEN a democracy.

It is a Constitutional Republic.

Can't understand why folks first misname it and then proceed to voice negatives because the nation isn't apparently living up to what it never was in the first place...


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#126690 - 09/16/11 06:56 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Mac]
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Thanks, Mac and here's one that I used to use in my avatar:

"The key to the gateway of wisdom is to know that you don't know."

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#126691 - 09/16/11 06:59 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Shastastan]
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Right now I'm diggin' on me some Coltrane, the '58 recording of Stardust.


Yeah.


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#126692 - 09/17/11 05:51 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Mac]
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Since I started this post, it has grown and grown and grown,
transmogrifying and morphing into all sorts of tidbits of
"information" about whatever.

Keep it up boys...I'd like to set a record for off-topic link that has been ruled "dead", and at this point is still goin' fast and furious...
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#126693 - 09/19/11 01:46 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Ryszard]
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“The Federal Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. has suggested that the use of wood from India that is not finished by Indian workers is illegal, not because of U.S. law, but because it is the Justice Department’s interpretation of a law in India. (If the same wood from the same tree was finished by Indian workers, the material would be legal.) This action was taken without the support and consent of the government in India.”


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If the wood wasn't cut (rough finish) by India people, Indians, then who was it cut by. If it was, no matter who they are, the wood would be finished in India making it legal. Shame on the Justic Department. just sayin'

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#126694 - 09/19/11 04:55 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: David Walker]
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That quote is old David, nothing new has been announced since the raid.

That quote isn't really the point anyway. Find my posts a few pages up in this thread where I posted a link to the affidavit used by the investigator to show to a federal judge in order to get the probable cause warrant. The issue is falsifying official and very legal US Customs import documents. I'm not going to reiterate all that again, just read it. Since then I've seen several interviews with whats-his-name from Gibson. He's been on CNN, Hannity and one of the morning talk shows plus he's given interviews with the LA Times, Fox and a few more. Nobody including him has mentioned those Customs docs, all they talk about is what I've been calling smoke. Obama is trying to ship US jobs to India, blah, blah. All politics. No actual details of the warrant.

On the one hand I completely agree this raid shouldn't have happened, I think the tree hugging "save the forrest" stuff is mostly crap. Still, just like all the drug laws I don't agree with either (all that should be legal imho) we all know if you mess with drugs above simple low level possession and get caught you're gone for a very long time. Same here. Deliberately falsifying Customs forms is a felony, you can get five years for it depending on what's being smuggled plus a very big fine. A guy here at LAX recently got 3 years hard time for trying to smuggle in some protected parrots and declaring them to be something else.

Gibson knew those laws intimately because it's their business to know. If they did nothing wrong, the details of those Customs forms would have been talked about during those interviews yet it wasn't. What does that tell you?

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#126695 - 09/19/11 06:40 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: jazzmammal]
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Well, it tells <i>me</i> that the Gibson company is smart enough not to attempt to hold court on the street...
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#126696 - 09/19/11 07:32 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Feds Raid Gibson Guitar...again!? [Re: Mac]
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Mac,

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Well, it tells <i>me</i> that the Gibson company is smart enough not to attempt to hold court on the street...




Well said Mac. I'm sure the CEO has been told by the lawyers to be quiet about the particulars of the legal issues. The paperwork in question wasn't even filled out by Gibson, nor was it supposed to be. The Feds were even notified prior to the raid that the mistake was made by a junior clerk who worked for one of the importers. The Feds raided Gibson anyway.

The CEO, (let's call him J. ), has done a great job of PR, which is what he's supposed to do. The lawyers aren't getting $1000.00 an hour for nothing.
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