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Mac #131471 11/06/11 08:27 AM
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As Stalin himself once glibly quipped about it, "One death is a murder, a million dead is a statistic."

A system that has failed miserably every time it has been tried.

No. Thanks.


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obviously, you are describing abortion. the more "civilized" term that is widely accepted is "family planning" not "murder." stalin pales by comparison. we "civilized" folks out-kill the bad guys each year! just another "statistic" unfortunately.

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I notice nobody commented on a solution to a single one of the problems I posted, or how by asking OWS for demands you are asking them for solutions. I don't think protesting what you know is wrong is a waste of time. Even if you don't have the answers.

You're a numbers guy Bob, what's the solution?
While yer at it, solve the euro crisis for us.




Whew, you want me to solve this crises, eh? Sure, no problem at all. I wonder what's the limit of a post size on this forum. 1,000 words? 10,000 words? Ok, a few thoughts with no embellishment and I'll do the easy ones first.

Lobbists. I have no problem with them. They are democracy in action, same with corporate funding of campaigns. What people fail to realize is corps are us. They're all publicly traded companies and most of us are shareholders. A board of directors is a democracy and they are heavily regulated by the SEC. A lot of us work for them or we like you I think, work under the regs of a trade association. When a corp lobbies congress it's on behalf of their shareholders and employees to help them get more work, basically and it's the same for the trades and unions as well. Every single organization in this country has lobbyists and that's a good thing imho. It's no different than the old cliche about our representitavies. We hate all of them except our own.

Exec bonuses. High level execs are no different than sports stars. These guys are rainmakers, financial wizards. a turn around specialist, whatever. They get the money they do because of the open market just kike ARod or Kobe Bryant and yes they all have contracts. This country is based on contract law, it's the fundamental principle of who we are. Congress, the president or the agencies can't simply say contract law is null and void just because they think someone is making too much money.

The real estate markets that's at the root of our current situation. I can't talk about this without getting political and that may start a mud throwing war and stop this thread. All I'll say is it's Congress that started it by forcing the big banks and I mean force them to make loans they didn't want to make. They fought it tooth and nail in congressional hearings and certain representatives at those hearings called them racists basically, accusing them of redlining neighborhoods by denying loans to poor people of color. I'm not naming names here, research it yourself. The protestors should be marching in front of the White House and Congress for not prosecuting the ones who are really responsible for this but unfortunately those protesters and most of the public at large are not numbers people like me and don't pay attention to this stuff enough to have any idea about that. The protesters and maybe you as well don't understand who caused this and think they're protesting certain things but they're barking up the wrong tree.

Companies outsourcing jobs overseas, free trade and all that. All I can say is when you shop for anything more expensive than a can of soup do you price it on the internet? Check how much Amazon sells it for with no tax and free shipping? The only reason companies lobbied to outsource is if they didn't they would go out of business, simple as that. You, me and all of us will cut their throats to save ten bucks on a thousand dollar item and nobody cares where it's made. Period. Ask anybody who rails about lost American jobs to China, India, Korea, wherever. Ask them where do they shop and how do they shop? It's all about the price and that's it, end of story. You Rharv and I mean that literally, have to look in the mirror and really think about that before you moan about jobs being outsourced. You're a tradesman and I'm sure you get your tools and supplies at the usual suspect big stores and you have to get the best price in order for you to be competitive if you're bidding on a job. Matching everybody eles's price is the only thing that allows these companies to survive, otherwise their pricies will be a few percent too high and that's all it takes when virtually anybody with a computer price shops them to death. Walmart has been called China's US marketing arm and it's mostly true but has that hurt their business any? No, because the prices are good. There is nothing else but the price, the price and oh yeah, the price.

Last and certainly not least is your point about the Fed. I have no idea about that and don't know if what you said is actually true or not and even if it is, that's way above my pay grade. I would like GDaddy to comment on this one because he knows more about that than I do I suspect but if he's smart and I know he is, he may not want to open that can of worms.

Jeesh, I'm surprised I managed to keep it this brief...

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In TimHortonstan, only people can give donations to political parties, corporations are not allowed to donate. Up to $99 bucks, you don't get on the disclosure list. That's per year. You get 2/3's of it back on your tax form. Donate $100, get $66.

We don't have 1/100 of the lobby types. Not our style so much. A bit goes on.

The Federal Parties used to get so much cash allowance per vote they got. That is going away this term, along with the GUN REGISTRY. Good riddance...as if I would comply. LOL.

IF we could change one thing I'd vote for politicians to have to promise to repeal one law each for every year in office. This nonsense that you get elected to pass some new law like anyone with a cane must have a flashing light near the bottom so a guy named Ray does not trip over it in a dark theatre like happened to his brother who died and we name the law after him. Dick4brains law. Stop, it hurts.

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Thanks Bob, I appreciate you accepting the challenge. I can see your points in a way.
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When a corp lobbies congress it's on behalf of their shareholders and employees to help them get more work, basically and it's the same for the trades and unions as well.



The $$ amount has gotten out of hand with this. $$ is making laws now for profits (not the good of the country). It's also (in my mind) why noboby is being procesuted for some of the fraud that took place.

Bonuses; once a bailout was needed the contracts are a just technical point to justify it. Fundamentally it was wrong. I wouldn't have accepted them and they shouldn't either. I'm voting for a new mayor that is not accepting a penny for the job. Character is still a viable assett, just not common. There is no 'public sevice' anymore; it's a very profitable career.

Please don't judge my personal decisions on trade and purchasing without knowing. I do my best to consider these aspects when I do business and make purchases. I am rarely the cheapest bid on a job, but you get what you pay for. My clients know this and decide whether to use me or not. I lose a lot of jobs due to price, but also have quite a few return customers because of it. The mirror does not scare me.

.. and yes, there should be prosecution on some of this. The fact that there isn't, is one of the scariest aspects of our current state in my opinion. Banks are not faultless in this; they may have been told to make these loans, but repackaging them and selling them was fraudulent. They are not the victim in this. They perpetuated a lot of it.

As for the Fed; that link was from the senate's .gov site on the first ever audit of the Fed, I think it's trustworthy. That report has been up for quite a while. I'm sure they noticed.

Banks can borrow from the Fed at a fraction of a percent right now, and buy (debt)bonds that pay a couple percent. Why NOT do this? Its guaranteed money. Why loan to a startup when you can borrow 10 million, make 12 million and have to pay back under 11? Just made over a million with no risk. I'll take 300 million please. And another 300 mllion next month.

Anyway, every one of your points still shows things are very wrong with how the country is run right now. You spread the blame, justified some of it, but gave no solutions.
OWS is simply a bunch of people shouting out to point that out. They don't have the solution (just like each of your points did not offer a solution). It still doesn't mean they are wrong for pointing out the problems. The answers are very complicated.
THAT is what I wanted to address. Everyone says "What are your demands??" They don't have demands because they don't have the solution. They just know things are very screwed up right now with no solution in sight. I happen to agree.


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I do agree Bob, the average shopper is perpetuating the loss of jobs. Some of that is economically caused; simply no money to do otherwise. It's one of the 'catch-22' issues OWS brings up, but again doesn't have a solution to.
When Walmart is one of the biggest employers, yet doesn't pay enough to shop anywhere but discount places, of course this perpetuates things. Government should be helping this problem, not this corporation.

But the corporation can afford lobbyist and the employees can't. See the problem here?


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rharv,

I don’t have any answers either, … just like the OWS folks.

There are, however, a few things I’m SURE of. ……Crippling businesses isn’t the answer!

Socialism/communism isn’t the answer! Stealing everything from the rich and giving it all to the poor will have a very short term benefit. After that, … we all starve together.

That’s a piss poor solution!

Who were our founding fathers? The ones who wrote our Constitution? Who led our troops in the Revolution?

They were the wealthy!!!!!!!! ……………………Oops! ………………… Did I say that out loud? If we kill the goose that lays the golden egg, …… then we also trample on the egg and we all get to marinate in the stench.

Class warfare isn’t the answer.

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I don't think you can compare the rich back then with the rich today. I would also guess that in those days, morals and responsibility were wider spread. Rharv has nailed it, the problems are there for everyone who wants to look to see, the solutions are much more complex. Today is far too complex for old adages like socialism, communism and capitalism. Life's not a hit parade of political genres.


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in the medical profession, there is a commonly stated goal: "First, do no harm"

They understand that when a body is compromised by illness or trauma that the goal is to help it heal, not traumatize it further.

Would it be responsible for a doctor who knows there's a problem but doesn't have a solution, to start plugging up arteries or lopping off limbs to see what happens? Of course not... but that's approximately what protesters who purposefully obstruct business are doing to an already traumatized economy

I don't trust such political movements any more than I would trust a doctor who disrupted my bodily functions in order to treat some dread disease.

That doesn't mean I like the disease, it just means I have more faith in the body's ability to heal itself than I have in the intervention of people who have an agenda that doesn't necessarily include my recovery

The fact that so few people who are interviewed at these rallies have a clue what they are protesting is a red flag to me. It suggests that somebody with an agenda is trying to mobilize the masses through generic discontent in order to create destabilization

Consider what I just said in light of this 1985 interview with an ex KGB agent
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regarding the political aspect of this discussion:

People don't change when they are comfortable. They will barely seek change when they are uncomfortable. It isn't until people are in the middle of chaos that a whole society becomes willing to risk large scale change. Historically, revolutionaries and terrorists have used chaos and terror specifically to incite change.

Now, once you create widespread fear, discomfort and distrust, it is easy to replace the status quo with something else... a drowning man will grasp and hold onto anything he thinks might save him. Desperation doesn't differentiate between a floating log and an alligator

THAT is why the discussion of Capitalism vs Socialism keeps showing up. This experiment has been done before, at the turn of the century. Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

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in the medical profession, there is a commonly stated goal: "First, do no harm"They understand that when a body is compromised by illness or trauma that the goal is to help it heal, not traumatize it further.
Would it be responsible for a doctor who knows there's a problem but doesn't have a solution, to start plugging up arteries or lopping off limbs to see what happens?
f course not... but that's approximately what protesters who purposefully obstruct business are doing to an already traumatized economy




What a nice analogy Pat

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I think that must have been before the medical profession morphed into an industry. Although it is still true for many traditional or natural healing doctors.


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I recall reading a news story about how the powers that be removed the Hippocratic Oath from use and it is no longer part of the medical profession anymore...

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As Stalin himself once glibly quipped about it, "One death is a murder, a million dead is a statistic."

A system that has failed miserably every time it has been tried.

No. Thanks.


--Mac




obviously, you are describing abortion. the more "civilized" term that is widely accepted is "family planning" not "murder." stalin pales by comparison. we "civilized" folks out-kill the bad guys each year! just another "statistic" unfortunately.




No I'm not.

I was describing just plain out-and-out murder of fully developed human beings such as occured in Russia, Germany, North Korea, China, Cambodia and assorted other countries and places where communism has been tried.


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I take a break and go to see a movie and this thread runs off and hides without me. Good discussion.

Rharv the "solution" everybody is making a big deal of is simple time. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the system that time won't fix as long as government stays the **** out of it. Many, many real estate pros and economists have been saying for several years now just let the properties go, put them on the market and that's it. The market can't heal itself until this happens but no, it's one lame "bailout" after another, the latest one is the refi thing. Shaving a few points off your rate isn't going to help the fact that your house is 50, 100, even 200 grand underwater depending on what part of the country you're in. Take the poison pill and move on. Trying to manage a free market just prolongs the agony for everyone.

Bonuses and contracts. Look, I know it looks bad to a lot of folks but just because a high level exec doesn't have the glamour of a sports star doesn't make the underlying principle any different. The guy who went to work for Goldman Sachs was recruited away from some other big institution just like LeBron James was. No difference at all. The guy was already making 10-20 mil and accepted another offer, simple as that. When the crap hit the fan, he still has his contract and still legally deserves to get paid. That's it. Your point about illegal activities is of course perfectly valid. If that same exec did illegal stuff then yes he should be prosecuted and some of them are right now but if the guy works for a division of the bank that has nothing whatever to do with all this, shouldn't his contract be honored and what does that say about our legal system if Congress passed some special laws that voids his contract? One further point on prosecutions and it's just my opinion. The administration is treading very carefully about prosecutions because what's these bank execs defense going to be? All the crap they were forced to swallow by politicians of a certain party and it would all come out at a highly publicized trial. That's my point about the protesters being in the wrong place.

Wall Street prosecutions are happening now, just look at that big insider trading case a few weeks ago. I agree some of those mortgages were packaged up and illegally sold as grade A paper when they clearly were not but that's an entirely different point from the banks being forced to do those mortgages in the first place.

Political pressure is the cause of all this hence my point about simply keeping government out of the markeplace and this will work itself out. That's the solution and the lesson for the future but these protesters are brain dead, they don't have any clue about all this. Using the tax code and legislation for social engineering never works.

There are about 250,000 jobs going begging right now because there's nobody with the technical education and skills for them and those companies are asking for more of those special work visas to bring in skilled immigrants to fill them. A lot of our unemployment rate is because of yes, government student loans for courses that have no chance of providing a student with a decent job. Liberal arts, psyche, and all of those "underwater basket weaving" type courses won't cut it in the job market. Millions of completely unskilled illegals are clogging up the system as well but that's a whole other discussion.

Government intervention is the problem across the board here, congress's footprints are all over this crisis and yes both parties are involved but its still skewed maybe 70-80% to one side.

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I'll agree (obviously) communism and socialism is not the answer. I also will state I do NOT agree with all the things you are hearing about the movement. There is a point being missed, I guess regarding the whole 99% thing. That is the 99% no longer control have an equal say in the government. As long as this is the case things will not change over time. They will continue in the same direction they have. Money is running it IMO.

I'm glad some people now get my point about the solution not being easy, and by asking for demands you are asking for solutions.

As for the bonuses; if my contract says I get a bonus if the bank makes X profit, then that profit is caused by a bailout (meaning I did not make the profit) the bonus should be void. Whether it's in the contract or not the reason for it was not the priginal intent. And yes, I DO think that even if Joe X had nothing to do with the screw-ups, but works for a company that did, he should be included in that exclusion. Had they NOT been beailed out there would have been no bonus; they would have been unemployed. Bailing them out does not constitue a job well done.

I will also agree they should be protesting government, but that will get you in prison real quick, government has a way of protecting itself, so instead they are protesting those they feel are running the government. I can see this course of action and the reasoning they use. I don't want Buffet to have to give me money (or anybody else) except to pay their fair share of taxes (an argument we should avoid as I'm sure we all have our opinion on this) and stay the heck out of government. His vote should mean no more power than mine. Business should be able to be profitable under existing law, not need special laws to help it along or give it an edge.
I use Buffet name here only because it is well know, I actually like his stance on a lot of this. If he did indeed say government employees should have the same laws as everyone else I like that; term limits, it IS suppose to be public service afterall, not a profitable career. It needs to pay well enough to get good people in there, but that's about it.

I got interrupted during this, so it may not be as clear as I intended.
I also agree class warfare isn't the answer. I have no problem with business being profitable, and hope mine is. There is a widening gap, however, that draws my attention, and it is growing in both directions. The rich getting richer is not a problem. The poor getting poorer is. We should all be growing as a society and that isn't what's been happening. The burden of excessive number of poor is what is bringing out the socialist attitudes in a lot of people. Just a thought.
The whole 'get a job and get off welfare' is not easy for a lot of people that really do want to do this. This movement isn't being brought about by people who want welfare, it's mostly people who want a job. Regardless of who Faux news trots out as an example.

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As for the bonuses; if my contract says I get a bonus if the bank makes X profit, then that profit is caused by a bailout (meaning I did not make the profit) the bonus should be void. Whether it's in the contract or not the reason for it was not the priginal intent. And yes, I DO think that even if Joe X had nothing to do with the screw-ups, but works for a company that did, he should be included in that exclusion. Had they NOT been beailed out there would have been no bonus; they would have been unemployed. Bailing them out does not constitue a job well done.




Still missing the big picture here, Bob. The LA Dodgers are a complete mess right now with the McCourt's divorce, the bankruptcy, the team being run by a league appointed adminstrator. They're hemmoraging money, no profits there. The players however are all under contract and still being paid. That principle is part of the bedrock of labor contract law. The only way to void those contracts is by the business entity going completely under in federal bankruptcy court, then the BK trustee can void everything including those contracts. Short of that, no way. Here's where certain political parties are being hoist on their own pitard. Who's one of the absolute biggest contributors to the party? Labor unions. Who's behind labor contracts including the sports stars and bank execs? Labor unions even though of course bank execs are part of management not labor, it's the same underlying contract law that applies to both. Can't change one without voiding the other.

I think you mentioned earlier you thought the bailouts themselves were wrong. That's where the problem lies. Don't bail them out and then they do go under like Enron did and then of course, no bonuses. Get the government involved and there you are. Can't have it both ways. For me at least I have to accept the word of two administrations one Republican and one Democrat that TARP was necessary. Economists and experts from both admin's said the same thing and who are we to dispute that? I left my PhD in economics in my other car, sorry. Beyond that though, enough is enough already.

A point about lobbyists. You mentioned Walmart has their lobby but what about the employees. You can’t look at Walmart in a vacuum. They’re not the only lobby. All sides are being represented by very deep pocket lobbyists and their organizations backing them up. Unions have been lobbying congress for years about getting Walmart unionized. Walmart contends that would be the end of their price advantage. Both sides are fairly represented by lobbyists. This notion of Representatives and Senators being bought and paid for by lobbyists is complete bs in my opinion. Lobbyists are just another extension of democracy at work. The defense contractors lobby vs the green energy lobby vs the big oil lobby vs the hog farmers lobby vs the auto makers lobby vs, vs, vs whatever lobby. George Soros and the Koch brothers are both mega billionaires, both actively support their respective causes on each side of the political spectrum. The right says Soros buys left wing politicians and the left says the Koch brothers buys right wing politicians. Everybody has their advocates and it all evens out in the long run. What it boils down to is the political character of each individual in congress and the White House. They’re going to do what they’re going to do according to their own moral political thinking. I’m certainly on one side of this but I do give the other side credit for their beliefs even though I disagree with them.

Nobody is bought and paid for. If a right wing lobbyist decides to give a million dollars to Barney Frank is that going to change his vote on a right wing issue? Of course not. I’ve very cynical but I still give these people more credit than that. Congressman Frank believes what he believes and he will vote that way and if his constituents don't like it they can vote him out.

This is no different than our adversarial legal system. The prosecution and defense have the legal obligation to tear the other side to shreads within the rules of evidence and an impartial observer like a jury or voters wade through it all and act accordingly. Of course it’s not perfect but it’s what we have.

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Bob, I agree we should keep government out of the marketplace (in both directions), but not so sure this is all going to work itself out if there is no change. We have a pretty serious debt right now and very little to trade for it.

250,000 jobs sounds like a large number until you compare it to the unemployment number. If every job was filled it wouldn't make much of a dent. My personal take on this is that we actually make too little product and increase the price by trading the little we do make until it's value is dimished. A society based on service and trading doesn't have much of a foundation. Consumerism can't drive capitalism without product.

Take something with a value of X and trade it (repeatedly) until you suck 3X out of it and you have sucked the value out of the product. That's pretty much what happened to our economy. Repackaging and reselling those things eventually sucked the value out, so at that point my sympathy with those involved is also diminished. There; diminished! Now's it's a musical thread again.

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...so at that point my sympathy with those involved is also diminished. There; diminished! Now's it's a musical thread again.




I've been accused of operating at a diminished capacity for years and this thread isn't helping my image any.

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Thanks for the discussion, and to the mods for allowing it. It has remained very civil, which says a lot for the community here.


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Thanks for the discussion, and to the mods for allowing it. It has remained very civil, which says a lot for the community here.




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Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.

Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

Video: Volume Automation in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®

We've created a video to help you learn more about the Volume Automation options in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows.

Band-in-a-Box® 2024: Volume Automation

www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter11.htm#volume-automation

Video: Audio Input Monitoring with Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®

We've created this short video to explain Audio Input Monitoring within Band-in-a-Box® 2024, and included some tips & troubleshooting details too!

Band-in-a-Box® 2024: Audio Input Monitoring

3:17: Tips
5:10: Troubleshooting

www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter11.htm#audio-input-monitoring

Video: Enhanced Melodists in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®!

We've enhanced the Melodists feature included in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows!

Access the Melodist feature by pressing F7 in the program to open the new MultiPicker Library and locate the [Melodist] tab.

You can now generate a melody on any track in the program - very handy! Plus, you select how much of the melody you want generated - specify a range, or apply it to the whole track.

See the Melodist in action with our video, Band-in-a-Box® 2024: The Melodist Window.

Learn even more about the enhancements to the Melodist feature in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024upgrade/chapter3.htm#enhanced-melodist

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 DAW Plugin Version 6: New Features Specifically for Reaper®

New with the DAW Plugin Version 6.0, released with Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows: the Reaper® Panel!

This new panel offers built-in specific support for the Reaper® DAW API allowing direct transfer of Band-in-a-Box® files to/from Reaper® tracks!

When you run the Plugin from Reaper®, there is a panel to set the following options:
-BB Track(s) to send: This allows you to select the Plugin tracks that will be sent Reaper.
-Destination Reaper Track: This lets you select the destination Reaper track to receive media content from the Plugin.
-At Bar: You can select a bar in Reaper where the Plugin tracks should be placed.
-Start Below Selected Track: This allows you to place the Plugin tracks below the destination Reaper track.
-Overwrite Reaper Track: You can overwrite previous content on the destination Reaper track.
-Move to Project Folder: With this option, you can move the Plugin tracks to the Reaper project folder.
-Send Reaper Instructions Enable this option to send the Reaper Instructions instead of rendering audio tracks, which is faster.
-Render Audio & Instructions: Enable this option to generate audio files and the Reaper instructions.
-Send Tracks After Generating: This allows the Plugin to automatically send tracks to Reaper after generating.
-Send Audio for MIDI Track: Enable this option to send rendered audio for MIDI tracks.
-Send RealCharts with Audio: If this option is enabled, Enable this option to send RealCharts with audio.

Check out this video highlighting the new Reaper®-specific features: Band-in-a-Box® DAW Plugin Version 6: New Features Specifically for Reaper®

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 DAW Plugin Version 6: New Features Video

The new Band-in-a-Box VST DAW Plugin Verion 6 adds over 20 new features!

Watch the new features video to learn more: Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2024 - DAW Plugin Version 6 New Features

We also list these new features at www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.plugin.htm.

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