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#132105 - 10/29/11 10:44 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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BTW what you are seeing IS the midi notes from the melody track and not the "chords output". I've confirmed that hear as I'm using a sound module to test and can hear what's going on.
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#132106 - 10/29/11 10:50 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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John, I appreciate your support and efforts to help me on this, but, until RB gets a dramatic revision:

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Dan your only choice in the matter is to redo all your songs in RB or run your guitar through the VLT.




NEVER.


I really LOVE BIAB, and my show, as modest as it is, is fully based on BIAB. I will find a way to work this out in BIAB. And when I do, beers will be one me
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#132107 - 10/29/11 10:55 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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The weird thing is that if you mute the soloist part it also mutes the "output Chord" part.This should not happen but it does.




This is weird indeed, what I am seeing is that if I mute the melody part the "output chords" also mutes. I figure Melody is on Channel 4 and I assigned "outputchords" to channel 9. But a mute of melody stops the lights from blinking on my VLT. By the way, when I mute the soloist, the light still blinks on the VLT??
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#132108 - 10/29/11 12:14 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: MusicStudent]
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Had to go to town. That's weird for you the melody for me the soloist? I'll set melody to 4 & chords to 9 like you and see what happens. Dan with your song you sent me there no chord data being sent. If I erase the soloist part then I get chords. The lights are blinking on your VLT because it's seeing the melody track.That's midi data as well but not chords.
It isn't going to work as is.
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#132109 - 10/29/11 01:25 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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The lights are blinking on your VLT because it's seeing the melody track.That's midi data as well but not chords.




Oh shi###t, thats bad....

I will attempt to confirm at my end. I have an Old Kawai GMega External GM Synth which I am bringing out of the closet now to see if I can hear ezactly what Midi is going where. If I understand you, then the "outputchords" feature in BIAB is not working from an independent channel as it claims.
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#132110 - 10/29/11 01:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: MusicStudent]
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It's a separate midi channel BUT It's somehow tied to the Soloist track even though it's on a different midi channel.Open a song that doesn't have any RTs on the Soloist track and you'll hear the output chords. Now mute the soloist track and they'll turn off. This was fine in the midi days but now for some reason if you have any RTs, as you do, on the soloist track it also disables midi output from the "output Chords" feature. This is a real killer.Because of this there is no work around except not using the Soloist track for any RTs and to me that's not an option at all.
Now there might be a work around but I don't have what I need to test this.
The melody track is capable of having 16 different midi parts on it all assigned to 16 different midi channels.I'm guess that you only use the midi part on the melody channel so that you have the notation to read. If you could get a keyborard or some other way generate the chords on that melody track as well set to channel 9 then that would drive the VLT.Set the volume to 1 as the VLT only needs the note data. This way you won't hear the chords. There may be a way to auto generate this part as well.
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#132111 - 10/29/11 01:56 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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Yep. Could be done with a keyboard. Just record on the melody track and make sure overdub is selected. When you stop it asks what channel you want this part on. You'd set it to the same channel that the VLT is set to listen on.
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#132112 - 10/29/11 02:07 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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Open a song that doesn't have any RTs on the Soloist track and you'll hear the output chords. Now mute the soloist track and they'll turn off.




Confirmed, with my external synth! Just as you say. I can place the outputchords on any open channel, but muting soloist track, which is supposed to be on Midi Channel 8, kill all chord output.

Now let me study and ponder the rest of your messaage, and exatly what this all means.
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#132113 - 10/29/11 02:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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OK I found a way. Step by step. If you want to.
1.open the song in BIAB
2.open the same song in RB
3.In RB set the filter for styles to only show midi styles.
4.Change the style in RB to a jazz style that has piano or guitar.
5. Right click on an empty track in RB & choose Generate midi track/piano or guitar.
6.Right click on that track and choose select Whole Track
7.Right click again and set the midi channel of this track to 9
8.Right click again and choose copy
9. now move over to BIAB
10.set: melody/track type/multi
11.Then go to melody/edit melody track/Import melody from clipboard
12. make sure only 9 is checked & that merge is checked.
13. click OK.You'll now see you have imported that midi piano or guitar track.
14 click on the green SEQ button in BIAB/sequencer on melody track.
You'll see your original melody on channel usually 1 and the track you imported on 9.
THIS WILL WORK. Lot of steps but not once you get the hang of it. Goes fast.
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#132114 - 10/29/11 05:14 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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John, my head is still spinning a little so it will take me some time to fully comprehend what you have done here. This borders on a Masters Class in BIAB. Thank you very much for your efforts on my behalf. I hope others have enjoyed the ride and learned something along the way as I have.

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#132115 - 10/29/11 05:26 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: MusicStudent]
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You can just click the midi monitor in band in a box and set the filter to the channel you want to see on your harmonizer. On mine you basically get triads of notes as groups, or you can set the option for more complex output.

At least with the midi monitor you can confirm the fact that x and y were sent on the midi channel of your choice.

I usually use all RealTracks to test, and you then see the only midi as set gs or gm at the start type of thing.

Not complicated, but I must say you can uncomplicate the whole she bang by using an external midi module set on channel 1 and then use 5 for solo channel and the harmonizer. That way you can embed changes to your vocal parts in the solo channel.
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#132116 - 10/29/11 05:51 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: John Conley]
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You can just click the midi monitor in band in a box and set the filter to the channel you want to see on your harmonizer. On mine you basically get triads of notes as groups, or you can set the option for more complex output.

At least with the midi monitor you can confirm the fact that x and y were sent on the midi channel of your choice.

I usually use all RealTracks to test, and you then see the only midi as set gs or gm at the start type of thing.

Not complicated, but I must say you can uncomplicate the whole she bang by using an external midi module set on channel 1 and then use 5 for solo channel and the harmonizer. That way you can embed changes to your vocal parts in the solo channel.




John,
His tunes all have Real Track solos on the soloist track and this ,for some reason, disables the ability of the "output chords" feature. That's the whole issue at this point.
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#132117 - 10/29/11 05:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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... Real Track solos on the soloist track and this ,for some reason, disables the ability of the "output chords" feature. That's the whole issue at this point.




There is going to be a test later on this material so be sure to study up...
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#132118 - 10/29/11 05:59 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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Dan,
What I'm doing is getting a midi guitar or piano part on the melody track that will send chords to the VLT in lieu of the "output chords" feature that doesn't work when you have a RT on the Soloist track..
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#132119 - 10/29/11 06:30 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: More - More VLT and BIAB [Re: silvertones]
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Dan,
What I'm doing is getting a midi guitar or piano part on the melody track that will send chords to the VLT in lieu of the "output chords" feature that doesn't work when you have a RT on the Soloist track..




But what will happen to the song melody, which is on the melody track? Wait, I already was not using that midi melody since I had to disable Dx\Vst. So after I render the midi melody to wav I have no need for that content. So I am trying to understand how we can have multiple channels (chords and melody) on one track?? I assume the two have been merged and now chords and melody will go silently to the VLT - is that right?

Otherwise,

Looks like the outputchords feature can work - but since it needs the Soloist track i have to remove all RT's from the soloist track. As long as nothing is on the Soloist track and it is unmuted, and all other tracks are RTs (no DXi)- then things appear to be working. This may be doable for me, I don't sing every song and not every song has a RT on the soloist track and I can render melodies if I want to hear them.

I think the answer is here somewhere John, my new understandings will help me work it out yet.
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