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I have just started using BIB. My interest lies in the odd measures. Can anyone help me to understand how I can get a rhythm like the one our drummer used in the live recording of the following song? Later She Whether Or Kaeng Live Back then we did a couple of songs in similar beats and I really want to play around with those types of beats. However, BIB doesn't really do what I want it to do. Anyone who can help? Cheers from Germany
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BiaB doesn't do odd times like this very well. It is kinda clumsy .. however, there are some odd time styles available. You have to look through your list and find them. I believe 11/8 and 7/8 realdrums are available. It'll be hit and miss though as far as if they actually work for you.
The reason I say they are clumsy is because they are odd times laid over a 4/4 time signature. So it becomes difficult to program other parts with them. I would suggest trying Realband, setting the time signature to the desired odd time, and then try various realtracks. This will also be hit and miss but offer more possibilities.
I found that by using a 15/8 style (or maybe it was 13/8) and setting the time signature to match in Realband I actually ended up with a 7/8 pattern (because the style was designed to lay over 4/4 and got truncated). It gets complicated.
The software isn't designed (or developed) for odd times yet, so as I said you end up experimenting in uncharted territory.
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You can force odd time signatures with the F5 button, but the results depend on your creativity and the style you choose. Some styles will work, others will sound awkward. First of all, consider each bar in BiaB to be a cell instead of a full bar. Then say if you want a song in 5/4 time, make the first cell have 3 beats and the second have 2 OR make the first cell have 2 beats and the second 3 depending on which sounds better for the song you are entering. Then it will take two BiaB cells to make one bar of music. 7/4 works with one cell of 3 and another of 4. More complex time signatures may take more than 2 cells. I couldn't get your mp3 to play, so I don't know what time signature the song you posted is in so I can't give direct advice on that particular time signature. Also, I don't know how this works with the Real Tracks, as I use MIDI styles exclusively. Why midi? See http://www.nortonmusic.com/midi_vs_loops.html - and as always YMMV Notes
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I had to download the mp3 file to get it to play. Clicking it did not work as expected.
If I recall it felt like 11/8, but I didn't count it out. Once I heard the pattern I knew he was in for some complications.
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Thanks for your input. I guess it's always like that when you leave the common paths a little. 11/8 exists in some country music I understand. However, the rhythm our drummer used on that track (and others) ist not like that so the Style "About Time" which sounds promising because it contains odd measures doesn't really help here.
I wonder now whether it's possible to create your own styles. Let's say record the drum loop, put it into a BIB 4/4 measure so that after 11/8 (which for BIB is 4/4) the chord changes fit the music.
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I couldn't get your mp3 to play, so I don't know what time signature the song you posted is in so I can't give direct advice on that particular time signature.
Sorry for that - on my computer it works just fine. The measure is 11/8. The feel is 7/8 + 4/8 (one, two, three, four, five, six, se(ven), one, two, three, four). I tried to come up with a combination of measures in BIB: 3/4 + 4/4 + 4/4 - treating the 4ths as 8ths notes. However, then the feel of the drums in BIB doesn't fit.
It might help if I found a way to make BIB think in 8ths rather than 4ths. I am willing to experiment - however, if there are people out there who have tried and found out that there's no way, I am willing to save time and work on other stuff.
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I don't think anyone commented on how cool this was.  Love the odd time-patterns, and a very cool vibe overall. who are we listening too?? Do Tell!
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Yes, it was interesting and creative.
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Thanks. Whether or ... Käng was the band I was playing with 13 years ago. We did a live recording which was later on mastered and published in a very small number of copies (2000 CDs as far as I remember). If you like that kind of music, there's another track (Bathing) of the CD on my homepage: Käng Live There are also a couple of other songs. I was thinking of publishing the whole CD via the internet, but before that I wil have to talk to my former band members. It's not actually something which is supposed to make history, and yet, the music is the result of a long and sometimes intensive creative process. I still have very fond memories - alas, the one who produced the CD back then doesn't have the tapes anymore. I would give a fortune to be able to work on some of the tracks. I still like the Bass player and the drummer working together. If I had these tracks (drums and bass), I am pretty sure that some tracks could be turned into some pretty nice music. (The guitar sound, the stuff I played on the guitar, the keyboards and the sound and style of the singer need to be worked on, I feel today).
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