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#133882 - 12/25/11 08:07 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: Kemmrich]
RobbMiller Offline
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I paid $48.87 on-line at B&H photo, so I know I got a good price.





I'd buy two at that price, love mine!

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#133883 - 12/25/11 10:21 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: RobbMiller]
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Kevin,

I love mine but I've been using them for quite a while now. My personal opinion is it does take a bit of adjusting to them at first especially if the phones you were previously using were more bass boosting.

Bob,

Where did you get the replacement ear pads? Thanks.
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#133884 - 12/25/11 11:08 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: Sundance]
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I'm not sure about Bob, but I went to THIS PAGE and then contacted support for a cable & the ear pads....which cost me as much with shipping as the headphones did!

I got my from ZZounds as a scratch & dent item for $35 shipped about 2 years ago....
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#133885 - 12/25/11 11:30 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: jcspro40]
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Hey jcspro40 thanks!
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#133886 - 12/26/11 09:00 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: Sundance]
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#133887 - 12/27/11 04:53 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: silvertones]
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Hello Everyone,

Here is something I posted on another thread about headphone use. Its just my 2 cents worth but I thought it might be relevant.

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A good STUDIO Headphone is an ABSOLUTE MUST !! Buy one that was DESIGNED for STUDIO use and spend at least $100 on one or as much as you can afford. AVOID consumer and DJ models. Average consumer models are usually NOT designed with a flat frequency response. DJ models have a heavy hump in frequencies that help you hear the headphone in a loud ambient environment . . . like a night club. My personal choice is a Sony 7509. I know this headphone intimately because I've used this model for many years.

Everyone can hear. There are far fewer number of us who has LEARNED TO LISTEN. Yes, CRITICAL listening ability IS AN ACQUIRED TALENT . . . and it takes as much time, effort and PRACTICE to develop this talent as it takes to become a good guitarist.

Everything we have ever heard in our life time is a result of the sound source and ITS REACTION to the environment. This is the difference WHY you sound different in the bathroom compared to the living room.

If you do not have a properly "treated" Listening room (where you mix your music), the headphone eliminates the "environment" to a minimum. The only "environment" left is the air space between the headphone diver and your eardrum.

Each HEADPHONE sounds different . . . even within the same "model number". The more you pay . . . the less are the minor difference within a "model number". Flatter response you get from a good pair of headphone is usually not as pleasing as listening to a nice stereo system. This is because the "pleasing environment" we are used to has been eliminated. "Consumer" headphones have built-in EQ curve to replicate the "missing environment". So, if you mix to a "consumer" headphone and you play the result in your stereo system, some areas of the EQ curve can become over or under emphasized.

Once you buy your "reference" headphone, its time to start the learning process. This is a LEARNING process and it requires many hours of listening. You need "REFERENCE TRACKS". You need to select CD tracks from your CD collection that you think they SOUND great to you. These tracks don't necessarily be one that you are fond of . . . just the ones with production quality you want to emulate. These reference tracks should contain a wide range of genre. Include few examples from Orchestral music like Movie soundtracks to solo acoustic instruments and everything in between. If you decide to burn a reference CD, make sure you do in a WAV. file format so there are no digital compression is involved.

Now its time to spend MANY HOURS of LISTENING. Concentrate on trying to isolate and listen to each instrument or an area of frequency range. Learn to listen in parts of the sound as well as the whole. eventually you will learn YOUR headphone's sound and begin to trust it.

It is often helpful to listen to a reference track while mixing to check your progress. If the production quality of you mix comes close the the production quality on your reference track . . . then the audio CD you burn should translate well in your stereo system.

If you compare your work against a reference track from a "Big Label CD" . . . through YOUR headphone, then your work should come very close to or equal a commercially produced CD !!

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I try not to change headphone brands, specially when I've spent many critical listening hours to "learn" my reference headphone.

Several times in the past, when I did some work in large studios, I always had my reference headphone and my reference CDs with me. My headphone was my point of reference during the progress of the project.

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#133888 - 12/27/11 06:07 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: silvertones]
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rharv: To answer your question about doing a mix -- no, I really haven't started a mix from scratch with the 40fs' yet. I'll be spending most of January "re-mixing" with some re-recording (plus I have two songs with no vocals/my guitars yet -- just BIAB tracks). I think the 40's will be OK, just got to get used to them. Now, the sennheiser hd280's are on sale at Amazon for $75 and a local store has them for $79. I might pick up a pair today and decide over the next couple of weeks which one to keep. Of course trading the 40's for the 50's is tempting -- but it would feel like stealing since the 50's are $150 everywhere.

flatfoot and sundance (and everyone else): Thanks for chiming in. It might be I just need to get used to them. Of course, maybe the sound "quality" on these 40's are different than other 40's. Hard to know.

Everyone's ears are different. If you ever read through review after review comparing headphones, you will soon find out that all the main headphones have their fans and their detractors.

Thanks,

Kevin
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#133889 - 12/27/11 05:09 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: silvertones]
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I bought the Sennheiser HD-280 Pro headphones today -- I think they are going back. They are pretty tight around the head and I can't really tell enough difference between them and the 40's to justify keeping them. I did a lot of reading too -- and while the 280's have fans, it has many more detractors. The ATH-M50's seem to be the clear winners (although a lot of folks don't agree).

rharv -- how old are your 50's and what kind of shape are they in? ha, ha!

I am going to do as much listening over the next few days with the 40's to see if I'll keep them. I can always send them back and just wait for the 50's to go on sale.

This is tougher than I expected. I bet if I had just gone ahead and got the Sony MDR7506's, I would have been happy since I have used Sony headphones all along.

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#133890 - 12/27/11 05:17 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: Kemmrich]
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I bought the Sennheiser HD-280 Pro headphones today -- I think they are going back. They are pretty tight around the head and I can't really tell enough difference between them and the 40's to justify keeping them. I did a lot of reading too -- and while the 280's have fans, it has many more detractors. The ATH-M50's seem to be the clear winners (although a lot of folks don't agree).

rharv -- how old are your 50's and what kind of shape are they in? ha, ha!

I am going to do as much listening over the next few days with the 40's to see if I'll keep them. I can always send them back and just wait for the 50's to go on sale.

This is tougher than I expected. I bet if I had just gone ahead and got the Sony MDR7506's, I would have been happy since I have used Sony headphones all along.

Kevin




Let me see if I can get through to you one more time. The ATH M40fs are accurate headphones that are great for engineers for mixing tracks. You are approaching this like a guy looking for a set of headphones to put on and listen to his favorite music while relaxing. Two different approaches. Nearfield monitors suck to listen to music on.
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#133891 - 12/27/11 05:17 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: Kemmrich]
MitchC Offline
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Sony MDR7509 are my phones of choice. Keep trying others but always come back to the Sony

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#133892 - 12/27/11 06:09 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: silvertones]
Kemmrich Offline
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Let me see if I can get through to you one more time. The ATH M40fs are accurate headphones that are great for engineers for mixing tracks. You are approaching this like a guy looking for a set of headphones to put on and listen to his favorite music while relaxing. Two different approaches. Nearfield monitors suck to listen to music on.




Yes, I see how my description of my needs can be confusing. I need the best "mixing" headphones I can get in my price range (~$100). The main issue I have with the 40's is that they are a little "tinny" to my ears with not enough bass. Since my mixes sometimes have too much "boom" in them, I am afraid that I will bump the bass too much. Now maybe the sound in the 40's is exactly what I need and I just need to train my ears. However, after reading lots of reviews and threads, the "consensus of opinion" is that the 50's just translate better because the bass mix is more "real". This could be wrong and the 40's could be great for me -- but I am blundering ahead! I am either going to get the 50's or the sony 7506's (or keep the 40's) and be done with it (I can't swing the 7509's right now).

Now everyone says you shouldn't mix with headphones (especially closed-end), but that's what I got right now. I plan to get monitors also (maybe later this year). It looks like that discussion is even more confusing with opinions left and right!

... now I do need a great pair of "listening" headphones too!!!!!!

Kevin
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#133893 - 12/27/11 06:50 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: Kemmrich]
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Hey Kevin,

I hope you'll keep us posted. If you get the 50's and a/b them for yourself with the 40's - I'd be interested in your impressions.

John,

Thanks!!! I'm going to order those replacements.


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#133894 - 12/27/11 07:03 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: Kemmrich]
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PM your address to me, I was serious, I'd trade the M50's even up. They have very few hours on them, as they are not preferred here by me. About a year old as of now. I'm not going to want to trade back though and pay shipping twice to end up with my original headphones! I hate the coiled cord on them too ..


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#133895 - 12/27/11 08:16 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: rharv]
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I also am forced to mix with headphones 70-80% of the time and found that having one of these when using headphones is a HUGE help.They help create a virtual stereo reproduction system and listening room for a more "real feel"...

Isone Pro - After a year of trying out the various headphone room simulators I settled on this VST...IMHO the best out of the bunch. Now this refers to their older one, I have not tried out this new one...

Redline Monitor - I would recommend this 2nd, it colors the sound more than Isone but is still very helpful.

The free hdphx is no longer available at the site I have a link for, but you might be able to locate it with a search. It works & is worth the download....

Use what you got to the best of your ability, and as soon as all the naysayers buy us all some room treatment & REAL monitors then I say use what ya have! ;P
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#133896 - 12/28/11 08:56 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: jcspro40]
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You really hit the nail on the head. You need to learn how it should sound on your headphones so as to translate properly on various systems. I can't teach you how to mix on a Forum.There's a lot of trial and error.It would be like teaching you to play on this Forum. Can give pointers but you have to do the work.
I've said this before but it's a matter of the content of the mix that makes for proper translation. Think of it as a big soup. Don't tweak each track with EQ etc. individually until you think it sounds good. You need to learn the frequency relationship between instruments.Frequencies add & subtract from each other. If you were making a soup would you but spices on each ingredient until it tastes good,say salt? Of course because after you put all the ingredients into the pot you'd have way to much salt.If your mix has way to much "salt" now what do you do?
So here's an example as it applies to music. The human voice is very much a midrange instrument SO cut some of the midrange on other instruments. It'll clear up that excess midrange sound. Kick Drum & bass. Same thing.Decide which one to cut some of that low end content. Belive me the track may sound off but the MIX will sound right.
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