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#133897 - 12/29/11 04:37 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: silvertones]
Producer Yoda Offline

Registered: 09/19/02
Posts: 38
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
Ditto to everything "silvertones" said.

Mixing is an ART. The only way to do it well is through experience. LOTS of experience. This is something no one can do for you . . . you just have to put in the hours. A "mix" is a personal expression of the mixing engineer. You can give all the individual tracks to a song to 20 mixers and you'd end up with 20 different mixes of the song.

There are a millions of tips and tricks, do's and don'ts. But remember, none of them are "rules". You have to continually keep evolving as you gain experience. That means a lot of trial and error and lots of experimenting. You don't want to get stagnant with your mixing method. Stagnation leads to songs that sounds the same.

LISTEN to the SONG. Do what the song is asking for. 75% of the time required for mixing is listening time. Listen for whats needed. What ever you think about doing, you should always let your ears make the final decision . . . weather to keep the change or not? . . . did the change add or detract from the mix? . . . etc.

I try to mix dry first. If the mix sounds good dry, I usually need less "effects" . . . but thats just me.

Its almost impossible to "talk" about sound without hearing it in the same room.

Trust your ears.


#133898 - 12/29/11 07:11 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: Producer Yoda]
redguitars Offline

Registered: 12/29/07
Posts: 618
Loc: US
I replaced my AKG Headphone in 2009. I used to have the model with 4 transducers and very flat response. They were over $200. I couldn't afford them and the flat response was no longer an asset for me. At my age, after years of Marshall Stacks and many gigs that were way to loud my hearing is impaired. I was EQing my stuff with too much Highs and way too much Lows.
I switched to a Sennheiser HeadPhone that was about 50-60 dollars. They colored the sound but made up for my hearing loss. My mixes didn't have to be redone everytime I popped a CD into my portable or anything else. I lost these in the recent flood now and they don't make this model anymore anyway. So I'm at a loss for what to get. I really loved the Sennheiser's for mixing, recording and listening. And I'm pretty sure I can get by on a set that's under $100. My days of 1-2 hundred dollar items are gone.

I did finally replace my Guitar Amp, with a Fender Mustang I, and it's one of the best amps I've ever owned. It makes my Strat sound like My good old Tele and more.

Wayne, Still here,
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#133899 - 12/29/11 07:57 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: redguitars]
John Conley Offline

Registered: 09/28/03
Posts: 8333
Loc: London, Ontario, Canada
I've decided against mixing. I'm mobility challenged, and deaf. Probably a no brainer eh? But the people who do it are 'black art' types. You can't learn it. You can't teach it. You need 4 cars in the drive with bad wheels but good sound systems. They don't have to work. Just the stereos. Heck I can't get out if the house, too much ice. I forgot to get a pick for my cane, it attaches on the bottom for the winter so you can do snow and ice. The other thing is you need one of those sound systems with speakers the size of small pianos to try it on. And a Bose for fun. Not to mention trips to the local mall to try it there, and perhaps, if you can book a slot, a 15 minute trial at Carnegie Hall.

Now bear in mind before that, you MUST have the audiophile version. Who'd go to the master step with less? Nuts. Add to that the Garritan stuff, ALL of it. 3 outboard synths. And you can't Master in Band in a Box, and RealBand, (You need it, it's a tool).

Now I figure you need a screamer computer, about 5k.
That's only for the PC, you must have a MAC. Every tune, every idea, and every bit of cinema, art, etc. All Mac stuff, just ask them.
2 copies of some expensive thing like Sibelius.
2 copies of some mixing software, latest version.
1 k for PG software.
2 k for those speakers in front of you that are NOT for listening to music. They are flat field monitors, chosen because they sound crappy. Can't do music but a must for mixing.
And the most expensive headphones you can find for mixing. Again, not for music, just mixing. You havn't done much yet but at least 15k or more so far.

Now you need years of experience, and you need to have a big soundboard for side chaining, and once you have your 12 today, 24 tommorrow, and 'cmon, you have to have 48 tracks right? And the room needs to be dead, forget the local funeral home, you have to put stuff on the walls to stop the sound, because you only want to hear it on speakers not good for listening to music, and headphones just in case.

Now once you get part way, run out to the driveway. Here it's against the law to idle your car longer than 10 minutes except if the outdoor temperature equals the temperature of the breath of one of the left wing women on city council. Cold.

Then you run around sticking your potential cd in everyones thing, and after that, you go back and tweak.

Once you are 'done', you invite all and sundry over to your house, stick that CD into your old boom box with sand from the last beach trip 12 years ago and crank your loops for the whole family to praise, while you send out copies to every Nashville producer and artist. You don't get a thank-you, but your CD's are being used at a Nashville soup kitchen to keep the formica from getting stained by coffee cups.

As to me, I'm letting the box play old Sinatra tunes, oblivious to the fact that my Bose stick is messing up the stereo field, and NOT one Master who baits us on the forum, dares come and tell me I'm missing the overtones at 3k. See I don't even hear, with any amplification, anything above 2900 hz so I'm just gonna smile and enjoy.

Where's my Perry Como collection, Paul Anka's too hip for me!

NOTE: There is humour in the above post. In Canada humour includes you twice, because you have to have a lot when you live here. I'm off to check the temperature to see if I can warm up the car or if I have to drive it with 2 inches of ice. Occupy Key West. Now.
John Conley
Musica est vita

#133900 - 12/29/11 08:07 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: John Conley]
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Keep up the humo(u)r, John!

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#133901 - 12/29/11 08:23 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: jford]
John Conley Offline

Registered: 09/28/03
Posts: 8333
Loc: London, Ontario, Canada
I almost bought Bose noise cancelling headphones for almost 400 bucks at Best Buy.

Wow, I put them on and it was quiet. Quel concept!

Then I took them off. The ceiling fans are running at a screaming level, but they go away with the headphones on. WOW. I listened close and heard some voices. With the headphones on NOT A THING! Miracle. I think I saw the Madonna cry! I just walked up the steps to some shrine, in the sunshine with Nuns cheering me on, my knees bleeding and praise whichever saint built the joint, I can't hear anything. Well except the ringing in my ears which never leaves.

The shopping carts bang, put on those headphones, and wow, gone. And the music sounded dang good. I'm thinking of buying them and realize my buddy Stew, who works as a construction supervisor and gives me those foam earplugs is talking to me. We chat for a while and he reaches in his pocket and gives me 5 or 6 pairs in little boxes. We discuss the Mexican National Anthem, and decide to leave it in C.

A few minutes later, while waiting for the salesperson with a key to get me some cool Bose headphones, they start smashing carts, and it's driving me nuts. I pull out the hearing aids, stick in the foam things and no cart noise. No fans. No indistinct talking. Just tinnitus. Ringing like a bad friend who won't go home. I disappear and realize I just saved 400 bucks by sticking the free pieces of foam in my ears.
John Conley
Musica est vita

#133902 - 12/29/11 08:51 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: John Conley]
Pat Marr Offline

Registered: 10/25/08
Posts: 7479
Loc: Winston-Salem, NC
somebody needs to invent ear plugs that only cancel out the negative stuff. Music, compliments, encouragement, the voice of friends, the noises of pets... all that should get through.

#133903 - 12/29/11 08:59 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: Pat Marr]
John Conley Offline

Registered: 09/28/03
Posts: 8333
Loc: London, Ontario, Canada
That's just called being positive.

It bugs some people but when they ask How are you?

I often reply,

"Not good" (insert pregnant pause here) "I'm fantastic!"
John Conley
Musica est vita

#133904 - 12/29/11 09:04 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Good Headphones! [Re: John Conley]
Pat Marr Offline

Registered: 10/25/08
Posts: 7479
Loc: Winston-Salem, NC

That's just called being positive.

It bugs some people but when they ask How are you?

I often reply,

"Not good" (insert pregnant pause here) "I'm fantastic!"

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#TechTipTuesday - Band-in-a-Box® Patch Updates

If you're ever experiencing an issue with your Band-in-a-Box program, make sure you have the most recent patch update for your version - this can be done at

Patch updates are released frequently, and are created by our development team to fix any reported bugs, tweak existing features within the program, update demos and other files as needed, and more!

To find out which version of the program you have, visit Help | About Band-in-a-Box within the program. You will see the full version number listing as:
Band-in-a-Box® for Windows
Version 2018 (512)

The number in parentheses is the build number. As you can see, my Band-in-a-Box is up to date and will continue to stay that way because I've selected "Automatically check for updates every 7 days" within the Help | Check for Updates.... option (you can set the number of days to a different number). This window will also look to see if you're version is up to date, so you don't technically have to visit if you didn't want to!

Once you've installed your patch update (make sure the program is closed when you're doing this), give it another try - if you are still experiencing the same issue you can report it by contacting us directly, or you can post your result to the Forum thread that also announces the patch update, like our recent Band-in-a-Box 2018 Build 512 Update (Feb 15) post.

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RealBand 2018 Build 5 Update Available!

RealBand 2018 customers can download the latest free patch update here:

Summary of Changes for Build 5
Added: When generating the input file for saving as an MGU/SGU SongMode128= is saved to the input file.
Added: Localization support for 2018.
Added: flyby hints to new dialogs.
Fixed: Save As with a filename greater than 128 chars could cause an error 123 plus access violation.
Fixed: Rebooting RealBand after a filename with 128 chars was saved could cause an access violation.
Fixed: Pressing the Change button in the Event List Window could result in an access violation if an event was not a Note event.
Fixed: When running in Win 10, and using BBW or PT to generate audio harmonies, an error would occur saying that you need BB 2011 or PT 12 to generate audio harmonies.
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Fixed: Delete All Notes on This Peg menu item in notation window right-click menu was missing.
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Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Build 512 Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows customers can download the latest free patch update here:

Summary of changes for Build 512 since 510 (Feb 15 2018):
Fixed: "Load SoundTrack Song" and "Load song with RealDrums Audio" buttons in the Sound Track dialog were not working.
Fixed: After returning Band-in-a-Box to factory settings the File Open dialog would default to the bb\Data\Lib directory.
Fixed: Choosing a custom chord sheet font would ignore any color choice made in the font selection dialog.
Fixed: Drum names were sometimes truncated in the RealDrums MultiDrums and Quicklist dialogs.
Fixed: Exporting a MIDI file might cause the error, "MIDIConv.exe no found".
Fixed: Mixer changes were not undoable, and would not cause user to be prompted to save their song when exiting.
Fixed: Static in RT2438 and other various RealTracks fixes.
Fixed: StylePicker database various updates. Some styles were displaying the wrong feel (swing/even) in notation. A few styles incorrectly showed missing Drums.
Fixed: The audio latency setting would increase every time leaving the Windows Audio Devices dialog.
Fixed: The Download Manager folder name defaulted to 2016 instead of 2018.
Updated: Help file.

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 is Here!

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 is here! PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 includes many new features and enhancements:

Windows Audio (WASAPI) driver support. This allows for low latency audio recording/playback without requiring ASIO. Note that this supports 1 stereo input plus 1 stereo output at a time. For multiple inputs/outputs, you should continue to use either MME or ASIO.

ABC Notation format support. You can save a track of notation in a popular ASCII text format to import into other programs, or you can paste this format into a user forum as a way of sending the track (usually the melody and chord symbols) to other users without having to attach a file.

The built-in Audio Chord Wizard detection in the Chords window automatically detects the chords of the song, based on the audio data from all non-muted audio tracks. This works similar to the standalone Audio Chord Wizard, except that it uses the current bar lines of the existing song.

Notation Enhancements:
-X/8 time signature support. This is a special method of displaying 6/8, 9/8, or 12/8 time signatures in the Notation window.
-The Duplicate previous chord in notation right-click menu lets you quickly duplicate the previous chord (group of notes on same peg) without having to reenter it.
-Delete highlighted notes in notation right-click menu lets you delete all highlighted notes.
-Delete all notes on this peg in notation right-click menu lets you delete all notes on the nearest peg that was clicked on.
-You can now enter Section Numbers. Previously, you could enter letters (A-Z) only, but now you can also enter numbers (1-9).

...a full list of the new features in PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 is available at

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We released the much-loved Xtra Styles PAKs in August 2016! This release included 164 RealStyles for Jazz, Country, Rock-Pop, and Singer/Songwriter and worked with any Band-in-a-Box® 2016 or higher UltraPlusPAK, EverythingPAK, or Audiophile Edition!

Xtra Styles PAKs were such a hit... we couldn't stop making them! Since their introduction, we've released 3 more PAKs with a total of over 600 Xtra Styles in all!

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