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#140065 - 12/10/11 12:41 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: John Conley]
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That certainly would not have been a deal killer for me (I manually downloaded and installed all the files so as not to wait for the HD to arrive (which it did, and VERY quickly.) Installing a patch or a new RT is not that big a deal, and you should not need to do it more than once (or a few times if you rebuild your machine from scratch every so often.)
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#140066 - 12/10/11 12:45 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: Lawrence.1955]
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Following is the link to download RealTracks Set 146: Jazz Fusion Soloing that was part of your UltraPlusPAK or EverythingPAK purchase....




So, has been that RT already released?

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#140067 - 12/10/11 12:55 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: Kemmrich]
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I can't speak for everyone, but I would rather have 95-99% of the product now, rather than wait 2 weeks to xx months to get 100%.

Kevin




Hi Kevin. I know. In the original post I acknowledged some would probably want to get the new release asap regardless. I would have preferred disclosure that it wasn't quite finished and therfore the choice to wait a little bit for completion.

Maybe I'm expecting too much? For example, when I take my vehicle in for a tune-up I expect it to be completed on delivery. I'd rather wait than have the shop mail the oil filter later with note to the effect of "..ooops! We didn't have it at the time!" and have to install it myself.

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#140068 - 12/10/11 01:04 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: Lawrence.1955]
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Well, I think the scenario originally was to have the one missing Realtracks set available for the release date, but something happened to preclude that.

A sentence to the effect that it would not be included yet would likely have been the good thing to do, but perhaps such was a simple ooversight up there as this time of year at pgmusic is, shall we say, rather busy for all parties involved.

Patches, updates, keeping track of them and installing them is or should be part and parcel of using *any* software by now, and avoiding that is something that any user does at their own peril, I should think.


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#140069 - 12/10/11 01:05 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: Matt Finley]
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Thanks, I see your point: you are primarily concerned with keeping a pure backup, and that takes priority for you over applying patches and updates right away, at least to the backup copy. I don't share your concern because the program has major updates every six months and you can always roll back to prior installs, but do I understand it. I always back up the patch files so I could reconstruct if needed, and you could put those on the hard drive rather than applying them to the hard drive.




Matt, I usually pass on the mid-year upgrades and have sometimes skipped a year. I'll get an upgrade if it's feature enhancements are compelling for my applications and workflow. Pretty much the same philosophy for patches and updates. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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#140070 - 12/10/11 01:18 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: Lawrence.1955]
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Thanks, Pretty much the same philosophy for patches and updates. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."




Experience has shown me that in the case of Band in a Box software, keeping track of the Updates and downloading and installing them is beneficial to the end-user almost every time.

There have historically been many fixes that, while you may not think things are broken, they are.

Why set yourself up for what would be a relatively easy cure - and often can be avoided altogether - by ignoring the updates and patches?

Experience in answering the problems of forum users over the past ten or more years has shown me that there are a significant number of posts where the user has encountered a problem with the program that has already been addressed by these Updates, but the user has failed to keep track of, download and install the update.

On top of that, one does not need to install the first update, then the next, then the next and so-on if they haven't updated the program in some time, pgmusic has been great at making sure that the LATEST Update file posted has all the fixes from previous updates in it as well.

Yes, if you ever go to do a reinstall of BB from the drive, say onto a new machine, you should do the install, then ascertain that bb is basicall working, and then install the latest downloaded update right overtop. Also should check for any possibly missing Realtracks/Realdrums updates at that time and do likewise.

The amount of time it takes to do so is not as bad as the frustration and lost time that not having a certain feature fixed and working can impart to a project. When the creative juices are flowing, it is almost criminal to have to interrupt that in order to troubleshoot a problem that, if the updates had been done, would not even be a problem. YMMV, but since the analogy has already been given, the responsible automobile owner shouldn't ignore oil changes and tuneup intervals with the expectation of having that automobile function as intended, especially when the automaker includes a schedule for maintenance.

Software has a maintenance as well, IMO and in this case, those Updates are just part and parcel of maintaining the software in good working order, in an effort to maximize benefit.


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#140071 - 12/10/11 01:30 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: Lawrence.1955]
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Lawrence,

There are about 80,000 files in the Band-in-a-Box UltraPak. It is inevitable that a few will need patching, or be missing. In this case, there are 2 RealTracks that are about a week late, and so will be posted online in a free patch update.

As you mentioned, you haven't even received the hard drive version yet, so it is possible that the online patch will appear **before** you get the physical copy. In this case, wait until the hard drive arrives, and then apply the patch.

The patch update can be applied directly to the hard drive (e.g. if your hard drive is f:\, just point to the f:\bb directory on the hard drive), which makes your hard drive fully up to date. Note that the hard drive is then identical to what it should be, and can be used as a backup etc. Future patches should also be applied like that, to keep your backup copy up to date.

As you know, Windows, Apple and most other software companies update their software with online (free) patches. How often do you boot iTunes, to be told that "important patch must be applied etc."

We believe that most people prefer to get 99.9% of a big product like this, and just apply a patch when available to top it up to 100%. For example, if we discover that one of the demos on MIDI "techno" styles set 79 has the wrong key signature, would you prefer that we hold your order until that is fixed, or ship as-is, and put up a patch?
Maintaining a product with 80,000 files is an ongoing process, so regular patches throughout the year are to be expected.
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#140072 - 12/10/11 01:44 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: Mac]
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Hi Mac. Agreed. You offer sage advice. There are, however, features I do not use, for example, the iphone app. It makes no sense to me to blindly rush to download every update to features, like the iphone, which I never use. Generally biab works pretty well. If I have an issue, something I use isn't quite right, I'll check for patches or the forums. I also check support periodically for current releases and keep a journal of those I've added and those I haven't. On a side note - not to change the topic to wish lists - it would be a usefull benefit to be able to select or deselect some peripheral features, like the iphone I never use, from program installation - the whole thing is pretty large.

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#140073 - 12/10/11 01:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: Lawrence.1955]
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2012 has a checkbox during installaetion for iPhone server app. Uncheck it and never worry about it.
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#140074 - 12/10/11 02:02 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: PeterGannon]
Lawrence.1955 Offline
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Lawrence,

There are about 80,000 files in the Band-in-a-Box UltraPak. It is inevitable that a few will need patching, or be missing. In this case, there are 2 RealTracks that are about a week late, and so will be posted online in a free patch update.

As you mentioned, you haven't even received the hard drive version yet, so it is possible that the online patch will appear **before** you get the physical copy. In this case, wait until the hard drive arrives, and then apply the patch.

The patch update can be applied directly to the hard drive (e.g. if your hard drive is f:\, just point to the f:\bb directory on the hard drive), which makes your hard drive fully up to date. Note that the hard drive is then identical to what it should be, and can be used as a backup etc. Future patches should also be applied like that, to keep your backup copy up to date.

As you know, Windows, Apple and most other software companies update their software with online (free) patches. How often do you boot iTunes, to be told that "important patch must be applied etc."

We believe that most people prefer to get 99.9% of a big product like this, and just apply a patch when available to top it up to 100%. For example, if we discover that one of the demos on MIDI "techno" styles set 79 has the wrong key signature, would you prefer that we hold your order until that is fixed, or ship as-is, and put up a patch?
Maintaining a product with 80,000 files is an ongoing process, so regular patches throughout the year are to be expected.




Hello Prof. Gannon. Thank you for your reply. Yes, I do understand that such a large program will need patches. And thanks to PG Music for the product support.

In a previous post, I wrote that it has been my prior experience on a couple of re-installs that program updates applied to the external drive do not convey to a re-install. Installers for the subsequent updates had to also be run again (or downloaded and re-installed again separately). Please correct me if I am mistaken. Am I understanding your post correctly to mean that if I apply patches and build updates to the external hard drive as a back-up that, if a re-install is necessary, the main program installer can be run and all of those added patches and build updates will transfer to the new re-install? If so that would simplify and expedite re-installation. Thanks again!

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#140075 - 12/10/11 02:07 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: rharv]
Lawrence.1955 Offline
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2012 has a checkbox during installaetion for iPhone server app. Uncheck it and never worry about it.
Your wish is already answered!




Fabulous! I have that to look forward to. If only all my wishes were granted so quickly.... Thanks!

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#140076 - 12/10/11 02:11 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: Lawrence.1955]
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>> Hello Prof. Gannon
I appreciate the salutation, but it is unearned, as I've never been a professor.

>>> In a previous post, I wrote that it has been my prior experience on a couple of re-installs that program updates applied to the external drive do not convey to a re-install. Installers for the subsequent updates had to also be run again (or downloaded and re-installed again separately). Please correct me if I am mistaken.

In the case of the hard drive version, for a *** full install** the f:\bb folder just gets copied during an install, so an update to the hard drive changes those files, and hence changes the install. So need to repatch if you patched that.

If you are doing a **minimal install** from the hard drive, then it doesn't copy the RealTracks folder, and installs a compressed image, and so you would need to reapply a patch to the c:\bb folder in that case.
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#140077 - 12/10/11 02:19 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: PeterGannon]
SmoothJohn Offline
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Egad. I see that you don't have a wikipedia entry, Peter. How can you stand for this?



John

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#140078 - 12/10/11 02:36 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: SmoothJohn]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_a_box

Unless you meant Peter having a personal entry ..
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#140079 - 12/10/11 02:46 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Biab 2012 Hard Drive Release Incomplete [Re: PeterGannon]
Lawrence.1955 Offline
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>> Hello Prof. Gannon
I appreciate the salutation, but it is unearned, as I've never been a professor.




Guess you can't believe everything you read on the internet. Don't recall offhand exactly where I read you were a Prof. but you have have that credit somewhere on the web...


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In the case of the hard drive version, for a *** full install** the f:\bb folder just gets copied during an install, so an update to the hard drive changes those files, and hence changes the install. So need to repatch if you patched that.

If you are doing a **minimal install** from the hard drive, then it doesn't copy the RealTracks folder, and installs a compressed image, and so you would need to reapply a patch to the c:\bb folder in that case.




Aha!! That explains it! I use the custom install option to install the bb and RT folders to separate drives. Thank you for that revelation, Peter! Oh well, so using the custom install option I'll still have to apply subsequent update patches.

In regards to the RealTrack in question, once it is added to the external hard drive, so it doesn't convey on a custom installation to separate drives and needs to be added to the RT folder subsequently? Do I understand correctly? No biggie, if I just need remember to keep a copy of the RT installer file as I have before. Thanks again!

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