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#141460 - 12/16/11 08:12 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] What is your setup?
68jcode Offline
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Registered: 01/02/07
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I am a guitar player but haven't played much in the last decade. I am blowing the dust off my gear and start practicing again and considering BIAB for backing tracks etc. I'm curious to know what others are using for equipment as I have never used software for backing tracks, am old school jammed to cassette tapes :-). I am pretty technical, work in hi tech for a living, so am looking forward to learning this program and all it can do. What are you using for audio interfaces for playback? I am also interested in doing some recording, possibly including vocals. Your insight and recommendations are appreciated. Any pointers to online reading material or forums that might help me would be great.

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#141461 - 12/16/11 08:21 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: 68jcode]
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Some of us put our system info in our signature (at the bottom of each post; go to My Home & Settings above to create yours), or in their Profile (where I have mine; click on my name on the upper left).

If you don't have any good sound card (just the built-in one, which should be disabled), then the M-Audio Fast Track is well-regarded around here, but you will get a bunch of valid recommendations if you give us a budget.

BIAB would be really great for you to practice and create backing tracks. RealBand is a free program that comes with BIAB that gives you a DAW (digital audio workstation) for recording on top of your BIAB songs.

When you get the program set up and come back with specific questions, I think you will find this user forum is pretty friendly and quite knowledgeable. For things like soundcard recommendations, or microphones, post in the Off-Topic Forum here. Give us your system info, and perhaps some alternatives we can help you decide between, and your budget.
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#141462 - 12/16/11 09:01 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: Matt Finley]
68jcode Offline
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Matt, appreciate your response. I was planning to use my Dell 6420 laptop to run BIAB, but not sure now since you mentioned the sound card. Do others use laptops and if so, do the on board sound cards work ok or is there another way to upgrade using something external? I'm trying to learn about this before I make my purchase. As for budget, I would like to keep it light while I ramp back into it, maybe $500 or so beyond the cost of BIAB.

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#141463 - 12/16/11 09:12 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: 68jcode]
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Yes, many good sound cards like the Fast Track use a USB connection. I'll let someone who uses BIAB on a laptop give a better answer, but it won't be a problem.
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#141464 - 12/16/11 09:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: Matt Finley]
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Registered: 12/01/06
Posts: 152
Loc: Glos. England
Hi 68jcode??

Biab is a wonderful tool for creating your own backings and even more so with advent of the real tracks and drums and the new upgrade. You can achieve a really professional sound and backing on par with many of the download backings and tapes, cd's that are available and it's also a fun learning tool an dmore to the point they will be your own work to a degree.
When I was forced to retire coz of medical reasons I had more time to give to my home music studio and guitars and have spend 8 or so years trial and error and wasted a lot of money with various bits of equipment multitracks,amps stompboxes and effects, you name it. In the end I have settled for a PC based recording studio and what I have now is.
PC W7 64bit - Cakewalks V-20 Studio USB interface - with Cakewalk speakers. A Zoom G3 USB amp/effects guitar unit. a TC Helicon vocal voicetone. A Korg x50 Midi Synth, various other bits an bobs. I have Sonar X1 but I mostly use the Guitar Tracks software that comes with the V-20 for recording as it is not too complex. The V-20 is a fantastic sound card module/mixer, does everything I need with all the inputs and outputs required.
Of course at the heart of things is biab where it all usually starts after I come up with any composition ideas messing with the acoustic guitar, or even just with biab.
Everyone will have a different setup according to their requirements but this works for me and at long last I think I am happy with the sound and setup. Everything takes up so much less space than physical equipment. Guitars are still real though although must get rid of a couple of them - smile.
Best Wishes. Jeff

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#141465 - 12/17/11 05:29 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: 68jcode]
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Hello 68jcode,

I have a small project studio where BIAB is one of my production tools.

Rather than writing about it, maybe you'd like to listen to some newly finished tracks from my client's CD. I just posted them in the "Showcase" forum thread. The link there will take you to the page with 9 BIAB tracks.

My THREAD in SHOWCASE FORUM

You can click on the "Studio Photo" link at the top of the web page to see my set up. Or you can click on the studio URL at the bottom of my post to go directly to my studio web site.

BIAB has generated over $5000 for me over the last 12 months. I'm a big fan of BIAB !!

Ed
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#141466 - 12/17/11 08:43 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: Producer Yoda]
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If all you're going to do is make backing tracks and not record the internal card will be just fine. The new internal cards do playback quite well. It's in the recording were they lack. Get your feet wet before spending money on an interface.
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#141467 - 12/17/11 08:52 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: silvertones]
68jcode Offline
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Appreciate the replies, good info. Jblue7, your setup looks good, about the scope of what I would be looking at as I gear up. The V-20 looks like a good piece of gear for the price and I have always like Roland gear. Ed, thanks for sharing the tracks, sounds very good, looking forward to getting started with BIAB. John, I do plan to do some recording, so I think a sound card upgrade is needed. I agree with your advice on getting my feet wet first, I feel like I still have a lot of research and learning to do before making hardware purchases. I only want to buy something once!

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#141468 - 12/17/11 09:08 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: 68jcode]
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Hi Jcode,
Glad the info was helpful, yes wish I had only had to buy things once although I did sell my unused equipment without too much of a loss if any in some cases, good old ebay.
One thing I forgot to mention was that the V-20 apart from Guitar Tracks comes with a BOSS/Roland VG amp/effects module which I think is pretty good and so easy to use. Used it all the time until iI recently got the new G3. The Cakewalk site has lot's of info, best to read & watch the videos and everything you can before committing as we all need different requirements. I tended to plunge into things.
If I can be of any help just let me know.
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Nice studio set up and website ED,
I'm going to listen to some of the songs later today
Regards All. Jeff

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#141469 - 12/17/11 11:24 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: 68jcode]
Danny C. Offline
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Welcome aboard . . .

Although I am sure they are better soundcards out there I have been running BIAB for live gigs from my laptop soundcard for years now and have no issues. Now I do very little recording, just some sample CD's and mp3s for my website so a better soundcard might be more important for recording. Also keep in mind that with the quality of BIAB being what it is you may not want to put your tracks on a CD and opt to save them to the hardrive and run them from there.

Hope this helps.

Later,
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#141470 - 12/18/11 09:12 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: Danny C.]
68jcode Offline
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How about sound playback, what are you guys using for the playback output? Where I plan to do some recording, I would think some studio monitors would be ideal, what do you suggest for amplifier for monitors? The other option would be to output through a small PA, but I don't want to purchase both.

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#141471 - 12/18/11 10:38 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: 68jcode]
JBlue7 Offline
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Loc: Glos. England
Hi Jcode,
I find my Cakewalk/Roland MA-150 monitor active speakers the best I have tried so far, a good all round sound for PC mp3 music and music production. Even impressed how good the Guitar sounds through them via the V-20. Loud enough for me but you may need something of more ampage. They also have outputs to go to additional speakers.
Jeff


Edited by JBlue7 (12/18/11 10:39 AM)

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#141472 - 12/18/11 11:12 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: JBlue7]
seeker Offline
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86jcode,

Dont forget hiqh quality "studio" headphones.
Several members recommended these to me.

Yesterday, my wife asked me your not bothering me, why are you
putting on your headphones. Answer, their quality far exceeds
the sound from my AR Studio Partner monitors.(which are no slouches)

http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/products/product.asp?catID=5&subID=39&prodID=155

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/97718-REG/Audio_Technica_ATH_M40.html

Another member purchased his from Amazon for about same price. I've just had
really good luck with B&H.

Good Luck !
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#141473 - 12/18/11 11:25 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: JBlue7]
babarton Offline
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 330
Loc: Oklahoma, USA
68jcode,

Good topic. I think you'll see that people use all kinds of different setups. I use a Line 6 UX2 - a USB interface that allows up to 2 instruments and 2 mics to be input, also has software effects and amp simulations (lots of fun to play with, lots of different effects available). Sound output is thru the UX2, and I just play thru a set of 2.1 speakers, but you can output thru whatever you'd like - headphones, a PA, a stereo amp (several folks on here use old stereo recievers). It sounds like you'd do well with a USB interface, and there's lots of good options on the market. Look at number of inputs you'll need/want, software extras (like amp simulations and effects). Lots of helpful folks on this forum, so if you have specific questions, ask.

Bruce

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#141474 - 12/18/11 11:50 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: What is your setup? [Re: babarton]
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I use the M-Audio Fast Track Pro on one computer and an internal Mark of the Unicorn PCI card in the other.

I play into the M-Audio to create and overdub using Real Band. As you move ahead you will likely leave BIAB behind quickly and move to Real Band, which is a 48 track sequencer (in 2000's language, a Digital Audio Workstation). My system takes a turn at this point that many other don't, as I move that song file to the second computer where I then feed it out to the MOTU hardware, which is patched into my mixer, and I mix on the mixer and feed it back to the first computer where I record the final mix (what I call "printing").

For room sound, I have 2 Wharfedale powered monitors. Everything runs through a patch bay so I can send this to that or that to the other. I just painted and reorganized the studio and I will get pictures up when I finish wiring and all. Both PCs are 3.2ghz dual core with 4 gig of RAM in one and 2 in the other. The one I mix through doesn't need the horsepower as the one I write on.

BIAB is a great tool to create backgrounds to sing and play over. RB is going to give you more options to expand. The service is great and the forums are full of knowledgeable people who are willing to help. Not a "take a number" company at all like the big boxes who say "send and email" and you hear from them in 4 days.
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