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#169724 - 08/13/12 05:46 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: Don Gaynor]
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No problem, Don. Thanks, Mac
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#169725 - 08/13/12 07:13 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: WienSam]
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I guess Ray Charles, Leon Russell and Joe Cocker didn't get the memo about needing a pop filter to run the SM57 live onstage...


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#169726 - 08/13/12 07:43 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: Mac]
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They can/could afford a new mic every once in a while

You don't HAVE to paint a wooden house, but a few coats of paint or varnish will make the house last longer.
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#169727 - 08/13/12 08:59 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: Mike sings]
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They can/could afford a new mic every once in a while

You don't HAVE to paint a wooden house, but a few coats of paint or varnish will make the house last longer.



Mike,
If you stop looking at all the cute stuff out in your audience you wouldn't drool as much on your mic. LOL
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#169728 - 08/13/12 09:59 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: silvertones]
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Mike,
If you stop looking at all the cute stuff out in your audience you wouldn't drool as much on your mic. LOL




And quit singing in the sauna (steam bath). That is hard on SM57s.

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#169729 - 08/13/12 10:31 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: Mike sings]
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They can/could afford a new mic every once in a while

You don't HAVE to paint a wooden house, but a few coats of paint or varnish will make the house last longer.




Well, they used the '57 "back in the day" when options weren't as prolific. And they turned in strong performances that are still valid today, using that mic. That was my point.

Since that time, Ray Charles used quite a few different mics, all to good advantage. I've witnessed Ray using the ~$1000.00 or more Neumann dynamic. A fine mic, absolutely (Harry Connick Jr. uses one as well) but likely way outside the scope of affordability in this discussion, eh?

Shure sells a boot, the A81WS windshield for the SM57 that was designed by physicists to get the most out of the design, but unfortunately far too few musicians and singers take advantage of the thing. Cost of the windshield is a likely factor.

But again, I would not select the venerable '57 today, as there are better technologies available in the two (and more) Neodymium magnet designs now anyway.


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#169730 - 08/13/12 10:52 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: Mac]
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Musician's friend is having a sale on Mics.. as much as 2/3 off

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pages/all-things-vocal?src=3TP2HDF

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#169731 - 08/13/12 01:30 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: Pat Marr]
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Worked with a keyboard player for years, who's SM57 smelled like Marlboro and Johnnie Walker Black.

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#169732 - 08/13/12 02:16 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: Danny C.]
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Worked with a keyboard player for years, who's SM57 smelled like Marlboro and Johnnie Walker Black.

Later,




I can't remember giggin' wit' youse, my friend, mus' be gettin' old...

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#169733 - 08/13/12 02:23 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: Danny C.]
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In High School, I was in a touring choir on Saturdays, and a touring vocal ensemble on Sundays - most of the school year. Choir was in existence starting in the late 1960's and is still running today - on about the 3rd director over that time.

We used SM 57's exclusively for everything with the exception of the crown PZM we would slap inside the local church's piano if it was in tune, we did have a live band off and on where we used the 57's as instrument mics, but we had 57's that well pre-dated my time (85-90) and my guess are still in use today - beat up by high schoolers and thrown under the bus (literally - we had GMC 4104, 4107 and what ever they are running now) buses where we had the mics in their vinyl zippered cases with clips on them, tossed into suitcases we bought at yard sales and kept in the underside cargo-holds) and they worked for years and years and years.

We used the black foam windscreens if we had them, but they would take on 'character' and we used them without them as well until we had budget to buy another grip of them. You can take out most of the plosive sensitivity with a 57 by just singing across the top instead of directly into the end. Predictable gain before feedback, legendary durability, etc.

Here's the deal, if you ever want to sell the mic, whatever you buy, there's always a long list of folks looking for 57's and 58's.

If you don't have your own sound engineer; showing up at a gig with an SM 57 or 58 will raise no eyebrows and the engineer can probably pre-dial in the gain to within 5 dB of where he/she will leave it for the rest of your gig. Show up with some lesser known mics and that's adding to the engineer's list of things to slightly worry about.

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#169734 - 08/13/12 04:25 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: rockstar_not]
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Well stated, Scott and Mac. You covered all my bases for me. As an aside, I like the cosmetic design of the 57 much more than the 58's "ball" design. Way mo' kew! Both models can serve double-duty as a tack hammer with no ill affects.

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#169735 - 08/13/12 05:53 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: silvertones]
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Mike,
If you stop looking at all the cute stuff out in your audience you wouldn't drool as much on your mic. LOL




If I can't do that, why the heck would I want to be on a stage anyway? I mean...isn't that the only reason why they made the stage higher than floorlevel: for the nice view?

I don't do drugs, drink nothing but water on gigs: if you take the girls away; where is the rock and roll?


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#169736 - 08/13/12 07:30 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: Danny C.]
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Worked with a keyboard player for years, who's SM57 smelled like Marlboro and Johnnie Walker Black.

Later,



On gig nights that's how we know whose mic it is when hooking things up.
Smoke - guitar player
mint - bass
rancid raw meat - drummer

Actually, Barry and I really do mark our personal use 57's with permanent marker to keep them separate .. so we get to use 'ours'.
Weird?

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#169737 - 08/13/12 10:17 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: rharv]
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Worked with a keyboard player for years, who's SM57 smelled like Marlboro and Johnnie Walker Black.

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rancid raw meat - drummer:)




Now I am on the floor!

Great one rharv.
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#169738 - 08/14/12 07:03 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New lead vocal live mic needed [Re: WienSam]
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Yes, I do have another suggestion -- nothing against Shure since most times I'm using a 55 SH2 -- go to your local dealer and try some of the ElectroVoice N/D series.

For whatever reason (the last time I compared them to other brands, about two years ago) they seem to produce lower handling noises. EV mics are in about the same price range as Shure.

They have different characteristics so you really need to find the model that gets the best out of your voice.

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RealTracks Patch Update for Windows Users

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows users can download the latest RealTracks update patch (519) here.

This patch includes some RealTracks audio updates we have made since the release of Band-in-a-Box 2018. 2018 users should be sure to download the latest Band-in-a-Box 2018 update patch (519), as that patch includes the bulk of the fixes for RealTracks released with 2018. This is a larger download than typical because it updates the Vocal Oohs and Aahs RealTracks audio files. There is more information and Audiophile patches available here.

Summary of RealTracks Audio updates:
Improved: There were small issues with the tuning of several Bass styles. This has been fixed for both the original mix and the direct input mix. This affects the following RealTracks:
- Bass, Acoustic, AmericanaSlow16thsByron Ev16 060
- Bass, Acoustic, AmericanaSlow128Byron Sw 040
- Bass, Acoustic, RockabillySwingByron Sw 190
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Improved: Audio glitches have been removed from the ends of phrases in the Vocal Oohs and Aahs RealTracks.

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows Patch Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows users can download the latest (free) update patch (519) here.

Summary of changes:
Added: Additional dialog available for detailed information in the StyleMaker (fields for memo, examples, and other parameters). These are set in the StyleMaker (more dialog, a button called "Style Memos etc").
Added: Help Video button Added to the Audio Harmony dialog.
Improved: ABC opening improvements with some accidentals, and leadin bars that occur in middle of song.
Improved: Audio harmonies now used Improved algorithms, and can be easily set using N voices above, M voices below (and have additional functions like duplicate melody, and dup. melody octave below).
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Fixed: Rendering audio while there is a region of bars highlighted in the chord sheet might cause a crash.
Fixed: Saving a MIDI file would fail unless saving as type 1.
Fixed: Some 12-key RealTracks were incorrectly set to allow transposition.
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Fixed: The Audio Harmony dialog was missing the new Band-in-a-Box Intelligent Mode.
Fixed: The VJT application should print out its version number in log files.

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Thank you David and Katie!

Polish New Features Video for Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows

Our Polish Distributor, Sound Station, has finished their Band-in-a-Box 2018 New Features summary video (in Polish!) - click here to watch.

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