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#172154 - 09/05/12 06:51 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: bowlesj]
JohnJohnJohn Offline
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I think the the free trial has a much bigger beneficial offset.




Oh, I agree with you 101%! I'd much prefer to try before I buy.

Hey, I'd be interested in your first impressions of the user interface. I have heard it is a bit, well, non-conventional! And from viewing the videos here it seems pretty much unlike every modern Windows program I've used. I guess you just get used to it if it is delivering the music though!!!

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#172155 - 09/05/12 08:58 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
bowlesj Offline
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Hi JohnJohnJohn,

I think you are into this so much that you should just go for it. Forget the money. BIAB has value. There is no doubt. My friend uses BIAB, RB and also Abelton Live. He does not worry about the cost because feels he anything could happen and he could be dead tomorrow. He has the money and he just does not want to miss out on what is available. He criteria is "will I use it" not "will I use it perfectly or will it be perfect for me". There is a big difference. if you figure you will use 10% of BIAB the reality is once you know it you are likely to use 20% of it or more. You do not need to use 100% of it. The key is that he uses BIAB and RB then imports into Abelton Live and uses some of it too. Okay so maybe he has spent $1,000 on all of it. So make up the test plan and if it does 20% of that plan then buy it and find the programs that doe the other 10%. Sure take your time but make it a 20% usage rather than 100%. Importing into other programs that do the rest seems to be the key to this. As far as the 30 day trial goes, I now believe they they will return it if you do not like it. Once you believe this there is no difference except your money is tied up a little longer if you return it (so what). Calculate the interest on that. It is probably $5.00 difference at todays crazy low interest rates. Your education even if you do return it far exceeds that. Here is the bottom line. Your dwelling on it tells you very clearly that BIAB has a lot of value and the only thing holding you back is fear. Trust me, I know from trading "FEAR IS THE ENEMY" IGNORE FEAR AND GO FOR IT. Easier said that done but you really have nothing to loose the way I see it. I went for it and it worked out. My belief is your subconscious which keeps bringing you back to BIAB/RT is what is correct and your fear is what is wrong. Maybe I found it easy to see this because of my work "trading". It may not be as easy for you. I do not know. Whatever. It is all good. But I really do believe that 99% of the time the only thing we need to fear is fear itself. PG-Music could take years before they realize that having a free trial is good. That is their problem. I realized that then made the decision with that realization. If you have problems after buying it appears that there are a lot of great people here to help, It makes it easier.

Give this view point some thought. It may make the decision easier. If you have a test BIAB plan and it fails that is okay to. Just return it.
John


Edited by bowlesj (09/06/12 12:08 PM)
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#172156 - 09/05/12 09:23 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: bowlesj]
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Good God John, what happened, wasn't it just a day ago you were reluctant to even consider purchase?? It sounds like you have drunk the koolaid. Of course, nothin wrong with that, just seems like an instant conversion. Welcome to the club.

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#172157 - 09/05/12 10:04 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: MusicStudent]
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Hi, John Bowles -

Welcome to the fold. I hope you continue to learn and use BIAB. It's a great program.

I just checked out your songs and really enjoyed what I heard.

Before long, you'll be offering advice and help yourself.

Welcome aboard.
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#172158 - 09/05/12 11:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: bowlesj]
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Quote:

Hi JohnJohnJohn,

I think you are into this so much that you should just go for it. Forget the money. BIAB has value. There is no doubt. My friend uses BIAB, RB and also Abelton Live. He is 60 now. he does not worry about the cost because he is at the age where he could be dead tomorrow. He has the money and he just does not want to miss out on what is available. He criteria is "will I use it" not "will I use it perfectly or will it be perfect for me". There is a big difference. if you figure you will use 10% of BIAB the reality is once you know it you are likely to use 20% of it or more. You do not need to use 100% of it. The key is that he uses BIAB and RB then imports into Abelton Live and uses some of it too. Okay so maybe he has spent $1,000 on all of it. So make up the test plan and if it does 20% of that plan then buy it and find the programs that doe the other 10%. Sure take your time but make it a 20% usage rather than 100%. Importing into other programs that do the rest seems to be the key to this. As far as the 30 day trial goes, I now believe they they will return it if you do not like it. Once you believe this there is no difference except your money is tied up a little longer if you return it (so what). Calculate the interest on that. It is probably $5.00 difference at todays crazy low interest rates. Your education even if you do return it far exceeds that. Here is the bottom line. Your dwelling on it tells you very clearly that BIAB has a lot of value and the only thing holding you back is fear. Trust me, I know from trading "FEAR IS THE ENEMY" IGNORE FEAR AND GO FOR IT. Easier said that done but you really have nothing to loose the way I see it. I went for it and it worked out. My belief is your subconscious which keeps bringing you back to BIAB/RT is what is correct and your fear is what is wrong. Maybe I found it easy to see this because of my work "trading". It may not be as easy for you. I do not know. Whatever. It is all good. But I really do believe that 99% of the time the only thing we need to fear is fear itself. PG-Music could take years before they realize that having a free trial is good. That is their problem. I realized that then made the decision with that realization. If you have problems after buying it appears that there are a lot of great people here to help, It makes it easier.

Give this view point some thought. It may make the decision easier. If you have a test BIAB plan and it fails that is okay to. Just return it.

John




thanks John. you make some good points. for me the $500 vs $150 is also a bit of the criteria! :-)

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#172159 - 09/06/12 12:00 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: MusicStudent]
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Good God John, what happened, wasn't it just a day ago you were reluctant to even consider purchase?? It sounds like you have drunk the koolaid. Of course, nothin wrong with that, just seems like an instant conversion. Welcome to the club.




that was fast! must be a great program!!

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#172160 - 09/06/12 12:56 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: bowlesj]
earl kirby Offline
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Did you end up getting the program?


Edited by earl kirby (09/06/12 12:59 AM)

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#172161 - 09/06/12 06:28 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: jford]
bowlesj Offline
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Quote:

Hi, John Bowles -

Welcome to the fold. I hope you continue to learn and use BIAB. It's a great program.

I just checked out your songs and really enjoyed what I heard.

Before long, you'll be offering advice and help yourself.

Welcome aboard.




Thanks guys and thanks Jford for listening to my playing from 32 to 35 years ago. It is nice to hear someone enjoys it. I wish I had that energy and drive again. I also wish I was rich and could Practice 8 to 12 hours again as I use to in those days. I would do 4 hours on flat pick and 4 hours on finger picking. Lots of fun.
http://www.reverbnation.com/johnbowles
Maybe BIAB will inspire me to put some of my current stuff out there. By the way, I just noticed we have the same first name. I think they need to call this forum the "Lots of Johns forum" :-)


I got together with my friend last night who has BIAB and who actually is playing on two of the songs on those tracks from 32 years ago ("Racing" and "Space Is Revolving"). He and I met in the computer programming course. We had a few beers and talked about BIAB some of the time. I was correct, he has had BIAB for more than 10 years. He was telling me that some of the solos that BIAB creates are really good. Actually he said he was amazed at how good some of them are. I can see it now. Thanks for tuning in folks, you are listening to BIAB top 40 radio :-)


Edited by bowlesj (09/06/12 07:39 AM)

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#172162 - 09/06/12 06:50 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: earl kirby]
bowlesj Offline
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Hi Earl,

Quote:

Did you end up getting the program?




Assuming you are referring to me yes I did. I took a day off work to download it, back the files up to DVD (an almost perfect fix on a 4.7gig DVD) then I did the play test and the record test. The record test did not work until I set the driver to RealTek which came with my motherboard which has the sound card built right in.

More for (JohnJohnJohn) I picked up a few tips from my friend last night. He has had it for over 10 years and has been telling me about it all this time. He said BIAB can only record 1 track even if you remove the BIAB generated guitar track. He said to record both your guitar accompaniment and also your melody/solos you have to use RB as I was told on this forum as well.


Edited by bowlesj (09/06/12 06:58 AM)
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#172163 - 09/06/12 07:33 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: bowlesj]
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You can just use Real Band for it all, there's a lot of people here doing just that. It will generate music the same way as Biab. Usually I start in Biab and use Real Band afterward, but I have made songs only in RB. I got sent a song from another user in 7/4 time and found it was impossible to alter the style in Biab, but very simple in RB. The main reason I use Biab is auditioning styles, because you can hear the song faster. It plays while the song is generating, and RB plays afterward. I make a 4 or 8 bar 1 chorus test song and find a style suitable for use, and it will play almost immediately. Answers to any problems are found in search the forums, if you don't want to wait for a response. Best music forum on the web and company support too.

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#172164 - 09/06/12 07:49 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: Tommyc]
bowlesj Offline
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Thanks Tommyc. I will have to try the search some time and try to get in the habit of keeping it up. I did not realize RB can generate songs. Lots to learn.

Time to start work. Most of my BIAB time will be weekends. The BIAB vacation day is done :-(

John
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#172165 - 09/06/12 08:29 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: John Conley]
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#172166 - 09/23/12 01:08 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: John Conley]
BBB Offline
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Hey BowlesJ

For Gods sake or goodness sake if that makes you feel uncomfortable......This isnt like getting married or considering a new job!

There are a Million if not more people including myself that have this program and love it.

Dont make things more complicated than they need to be. Buy It You will love it....its that simple!

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#172167 - 09/23/12 09:22 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: BBB]
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This isnt like getting married or considering a new job!




In fact I would RATHER buy BIAB than get married..... With software, you only pay once and you can stop using it anytime you choose to.
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#172168 - 09/23/12 11:15 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: eddie1261]
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Hi Triple John,

Just checking old threads and ran across this one . . . Come on man, I can't believe you have still not made a decision. With this said, you did get me to thinking (tongue planted firmly in cheek) that if it is taking you this long to make a decision to purchase how long is it going to take you to pick styles and real tracks for your creations? Man you may never finish a tune! Decisions decisions?

Come on man you are wasting precious time . . . BUY IT NOW!

Later,
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#172169 - 09/24/12 12:58 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: Danny C.]
JohnJohnJohn Offline
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Quote:

Hi Triple John,

Just checking old threads and ran across this one . . . Come on man, I can't believe you have still not made a decision. With this said, you did get me to thinking (tongue planted firmly in cheek) that if it is taking you this long to make a decision to purchase how long is it going to take you to pick styles and real tracks for your creations? Man you may never finish a tune! Decisions decisions?

Come on man you are wasting precious time . . . BUY IT NOW!

Later,




Danny...bought it a couple of weeks ago...am in hog heaven...convinced it is not really software...more like a drug...cannot stop messing with it...

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#172170 - 09/24/12 01:54 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
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Don't stay up all night. I used to do that all the time. Addictive for sure.

If you fish enough there are about 10,000 songs in Band in a Box format lurking.

If you didn't yet, try google and

Allanah Band in a Box mgu

as the search string. You should find a whack of stuff.
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#172171 - 09/24/12 10:05 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: My friend loves BIAB but I am reluctant to buy it [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
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Great news! All I will add is that from the length of this thread and all the convincing it took from the members, if this was a commission sale for the PG Rep did not get enough money.

As our old friend Russ says . . . Good On You!

Welcome aboard,
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