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#172468 - 09/08/12 09:03 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: eddie1261]
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#172469 - 09/08/12 10:33 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: eddie1261]
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This is STILL stupid,
Yet somehow I keep posting.
Enigma, am I....
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#172470 - 09/09/12 12:10 AM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: Ryszard]
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Brent Mason does play
On Real Tracks only,not on
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What we have here is
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Check Driver Setup.

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#172471 - 09/09/12 12:21 AM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: Ryszard]
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Hiaku is just bad
It doesn’t make a good poem
It’s not an art form
…………………………………………….

It reminds me of being in Atlanta 20 years ago staring at an ungodly mess of twisted metal at an exhibit.

I looked over at my friend who’d suggested we attend the exhibit and he saw my confused look.

He said “this is part of the DBA program.”

I asked “DBA?”

He answered “Dis Be Art!”

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#172472 - 09/09/12 08:39 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Hiaku is just bad
It doesn’t make a good poem
It’s not an art form
…………………………………………….




Bob,

Sometime I can't figure out where you're coming from. I get that you don't like haiku, okay? But you are protesting WAY too much here. You have gone a tremendous distance out of your way to protest--what? I'm not sure.

Saying that rules stifle creativity is like saying that uniforms stifle individuality, which anyone who has worn a uniform knows is not true. For a bluegrass musician to say that "he doesn't like rules" is a breathtaking statement of self unawareness--which I know isn't true, so I am really mystified. Unless you are playing completely arrhythmic, atonal noise (which could only arguably be called music) you live by musical rules. Not sure about the rest of your life.

You want rules? I was just going for syllabic structure. Here's Wikipedia's take on the history and structure of haiku. So many rules you wouldn't believe. All you have demonstrated is that you don't understand poetry in the much larger sense. To say that haiku is not an art form is not only laughable, it is a denial of more than a millennium of Japanese art and culture.

For everybody else, the jazz haiku earlier was brilliant. I'm going to try to live up to that.

R.
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#172473 - 09/09/12 09:41 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: Ryszard]
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Richard,

I have obviously offended you, and for that I'm truly sorry. That defintely wasn't my intention.

I just don't understand the appeal of haiku. I read several examples and I didn't see any flow, just strict adherence to form and structure.

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All you have demonstrated is that you don't understand poetry in the much larger sense.




I would have to disagree with that since haiku is such a small percentage of "poetry" that you'd have to start with a decimal point and add a few zeros before actually calculating a numeric value.

I enjoy poetry, but I like the more classical forms.

As a songwriter, I've written tons of songs. Some are pretty good, others, ... not so much. Songs are nothing more than poetry over a musical progression.

Early on in the thread:

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I don’t understand the appeal, but that’s okay.

If you like it, go for it.




I started playing and singing long before I knew ANYTHING about music theory. I only knew what I thought sounded good. I learned basic music theory later.

As far as "rules" in music goes, music theory isn't a list of "rules" on what you have to do, it's an EXPLANATION of why certain things sound good and other things don't.

That's the basis for this earlier statement:

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If I’d been given a list of “rules” about writing a song, then I’d never have written my first one. Ditto for playing an instrument.




As far as what is an "art form", that's up to the person viewing or listening to what is being put forward as "art'. To some folks, art is when someone p*sses in a fruit jar, places an inverted crucifix in the jar, puts a lid on it and then gives it some absurd name. I reserve the right to declare "that's not art" or to say it sucks.

You're obviously a fan of haiku. That's fine. Enjoy it.

My comments were given in the same context where I'd tell a friend who is a metalcore fan that his music "sucked" and he'd tell me that bluegrass is "redneck bullsh*t". Then we'd both laugh and take turns on picking the next song.
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#172474 - 09/09/12 09:43 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Bob, for the small percentage you might be wrong. Might be. I you count the Japanese that is. Just don't forget about them, which happened once big time. Just sayin.
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#172475 - 09/09/12 10:18 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: John Conley]
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Bob, I'm not offended, just mystified by the apparent tone. Everything you said in response is true.

E-text is a "cold" medium that dangerously omits many nuances. (I lost a job once because of an e-mail that was intended as minor humor but was blown way out of proportion.) I accept the spirit in which you say it was offered and the suggestion that we move on.
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#172476 - 09/09/12 10:22 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: Ryszard]
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No man kissin please. LOL
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#172477 - 09/09/12 10:50 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: Ryszard]
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Sometime I can't figure out where you're coming from.




That may be the case here from my end. A forum member once posted a Van Halen clip that was atrocious and talked about how great it was. Another member posted something else equally bad and also raved about it.

I jumped in and was incredulous at why they thought the clips were so good. They, (and a few others), posted and told me I’d been “punked”. The clips by the bands were intentionally AWFUL recordings and the bands did that on purpose.

When you posted the haiku thread, I didn’t realize you were so invested in it. I thought maybe you’d ran across it and just posted it to see what other people thought about it.

If you’d said “I’m a HUGE haiku fan and I want to see if any other members are”, I’d probably left it alone. Or just said “It’s not my cup of tea”.

I posted a dubstep video even though I’m not a dubstep fan. I just liked that video and was impressed by the girls talent. It doesn’t mean I’ll be buying any dubstep CD’s, nor would I be offended by someone saying dubstep sucks. I just liked that one artist’s video.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

And JC, … there will be NO man kisses here! As Don Gaynor said in the dubstep thread, I'm "hooked on the cute chickenlettes".
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#172478 - 09/09/12 11:01 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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There is no huge investment here, although I am a fan of Japanese history and culture. I got the idea on the Propellerhead Reason forums, which are significantly more diverse than here. With some notable exceptions the PG forums are comprised mainly of MAWGs (middle-aged white guys).

The thread there was started and went on vigorously for several days, hindered only by a few who just didn't get what haiku was, or whose command of English made it difficult. There were some great haiku and a lot of humor.

And there was none of this prose. There was the same range of discussion, but EVERYTHING was done in haiku form. I was just curious to see how it would fly here. Now I know.
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#172479 - 09/09/12 11:06 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: Ryszard]
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Wow if 60+ is middle aged then I'm headed for 130? Well remember those words.

Methuselah lived 900 years
Methuselah lived 900 years
Who calls that livin'
When no gal will give in
To no man what's 900 years

(Ella had that one right.)
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#172480 - 09/09/12 11:36 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: John Conley]
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I'm 59. I'm middle aged. Wah! I have spoken.
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#172481 - 09/09/12 11:53 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: Ryszard]
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A mere enfant (terrible). Dang these meds make me almost back to my odd ball self!

I thought hypothyroidizm was something a guy with a watch did when you were falling asleep and he hit your leg, izzy.

Turns out I can stay up after 11. Wow.
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#172482 - 09/10/12 12:21 AM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: Ryszard]
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Richard,

I was going back thru the haiku thread to see if I missed something, and I have a couple of questions.

Would you please further expound on this? Especially the last sentence in the quote.

Quote:

Saying that rules stifle creativity is like saying that uniforms stifle individuality, which anyone who has worn a uniform knows is not true. For a bluegrass musician to say that "he doesn't like rules" is a breathtaking statement of self unawareness--which I know isn't true, so I am really mystified.




The only rule I’m aware of in bluegrass is for everyone to get in tune. If you “know” I don’t suffer from “self unawareness”, why mention it and why are you “mystified?” That’s a new term for me.

Secondly:

What does this mean?

Quote:

Not sure about the rest of your life.




Thanks
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#172483 - 09/10/12 12:44 AM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Gee, Bob, I don't care one way or another. But the tenacious thing is tough. Somebody, like in the, oh yea, chest bumping thing needs to be the bigger guy and walk away.

IF Haiku is NOT your thing, great. I love Robert Frost. Some well written Japanese Haiku is cool. But it's tough in the translation.

I think this is W Va. vrs Georgia, do you guys have football teams that gnaw on each other?

I gotta tell you, when you lie in a hospital bed and they call your whole dang fan-dam-aly, and you are too weak to smile or sit up, most of the el toro poo poo in life becomes nothing but that.

Two dawgs splashed in a yella puddle
and sad I could not three see,
I drunk my traveller, warm like pee
I quickly said that Hai Koo,
She Ain't fer me.

So sorry Rob't Frost yer barn-ic-les, it's only sort of play gerry ism.

They told me to act my age, so I asked for a discount.

My ex wife gave her lawyer most of my money. Guy never did a thing but write 4 pages. Got about 400 bucks a word. He used run on sentences, and dangled my participles.

I always wanted a couple of acres. Got hit by a puck below the belly button and they hurt for days.

I thought they told me to light up, but being deaf I didn't hear the en part. Cost me a 20 buck cuban and a 100 buck fine. The judge asked me if I went to Havana often and on what street I got them. Gave me a minimum sentence for the info.

My wife lost her credit cards but I didn't report them stolen, the thief is spending less money.

Ok guys, kiss and make up this time. NOT on the lips for pete's sakes.
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#172484 - 09/10/12 12:56 AM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: John Conley]
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John,

Quote:

I love Robert Frost.




We agree 100% on that.

I was just asking Richard about the other comments, especially since he said:

Quote:

There is no huge investment here




... in haiku.

I was trying to figure out why he was so offended and why he said those things to me.

Please notice the questions weren't directed to you and had NOTHING to do with anything you said.

Thanks
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#172485 - 09/10/12 05:13 AM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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I have failed to convey the whole tone of my response, prolly 'cause I didn't put in enough smilies. It was all intended as lighthearted banter. Oh, well.

Quote:

Richard,

I was going back thru the haiku thread to see if I missed something, and I have a couple of questions.

Would you please further expound on this? Especially the last sentence in the quote.

Quote:

Saying that rules stifle creativity is like saying that uniforms stifle individuality, which anyone who has worn a uniform knows is not true. For a bluegrass musician to say that "he doesn't like rules" is a breathtaking statement of self unawareness--which I know isn't true, so I am really mystified.




The only rule I’m aware of in bluegrass is for everyone to get in tune. If you “know” I don’t suffer from “self unawareness”, why mention it and why are you “mystified?” That’s a new term for me.




There was a time when I was a decent aspiring flatpicker, although utterly nontraditional. My direct experience with bluegrass and the people who practice it has not been good. That's a story for another time. The upshot is that those to whom I was directly exposed were clearly hidebound--utterly rigid--regarding their interpretation of what was and was not acceptable in bluegrass. Rules, baby. I broke 'em (not knowing that they existed) and was treated quite unkindly. The incident is funny in retrospect; the treatment was and is not.

If you tell me that the culture is freer than that, I am prepared to believe you, and that whole last sentence becomes meaningless. What that means is that I have probably been operating under a false assumption. I'd love to know different, but I'm not going to touch that hot stove again without some friendly guidance. Yeah, I've heard the bluegrass version of Dark Side of the Moon and was mightily impressed. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't go over everywhere, though.

Quote:

Secondly:

What does this mean?

Quote:

Not sure about the rest of your life.




Thanks




That last is easy. It was both a response to your explicit statement in an earlier post about how much you dislike rules, AND an extension of my apparently false belief that all BG musos are stuck on form and content, which I extended to you. Okay, I'm smiling when I write this expression of unruliness: "For all I know, in your private life you paint yourself blue and sacrifice kittens to Moloch." Can't quite picture it, but hey. You never know about the guy next door. Might be Boo Radley. (Still smiling, okay?) I was being facetious--and laid myself completely open to misinterpretation, so I guess I earned your suspicion. I din' mean nuffin. Rilly.

Into autumn air
Rise strains of stringéd music
Bluegrass festival

Pax, okay?
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#172486 - 09/10/12 12:31 PM [Off-Topic] Re: BIAB Haiku Thread [Re: Ryszard]
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Pax, okay?




Sounds good to me.
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