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I have converted a Sonar .ins file for the Roland Sonic Cell...but all I can seem to load is the GS, GM banks when I select higher banks - none of the preset banks are seen.
I know the ins file works as I use it all the time in Sonar!!!!
What am I missing in this patch map setup and or use, because I am missing something...If I cannot get BIAB to use the proper patches (NOT GM/GM2) then I will have to ask for a refund of the 2012.5 software and delete it. My 2012 version is too old to do the same.
I have only just come back to running a software setup from using hardware workstations and arrangers...
Any help appreciated..
Thanks
Dennis
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Hi Dennis, did you convert the Calkwalk ".INS" file to a BIAB ".PAT" file using BIAB? If not, go to the pull-downs along the top row of BIAB, find the GM pull-down menu and go to the last item on that list titled: "Convert patch list from PowerTracks or Calkwalk" and follow the instruction there.
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Thanks, yeah I already did that!!
All I get when I try to select patches for the parts are GM2 sound banks!
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OK, so far so good. After you convert the .ini file to .pat you have to load it into BIAB. Click the + sign in the upper right corner next to the F button and patch names. This will open a window of patch names. Over on the right of this window is a button called "Open *.PAT". Click on this button and find the new .pat file that you created from the .ini file. This will append the existing .pat file with your new sounds and load in the new patches.
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Thanks, yeah I already did that!!
All I get when I try to select patches for the parts are GM2 sound banks!
Dude, stop with the breathless (!!!) stuff and comments if it doesn't work I'm sending it back!! This isn't Tweeter.
Works fine, just read and learn.
Bob
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Bob, [!] these are exclamation marks - Grammar 101. Where do you get breathless from??? (triple q marks = scratching my head query)
It was not a "take my bat and ball and go home" comment at all (quotation marks used to say it is a colloquialism I am using here - or a saw)..
Merely stating that if I cannot find something works for me then I vote with my feet. VERY simple (I use caps here to empahasise not shout - just thought I would mention it)
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Dude!!
As it turns out, BIAB (caps used here as it is an acronym) is listing all the GM GM 2 (acronyms again) patches first (which is a bit different to how Sonar allows a user to list them). So it does list upper bank data, just mixes it up amongst all the other Gm/GM2 stuff.
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One other thing- if you don't like it, don't read it, or make comments. You are really only seeking to garner allies against something that possibly only you, find annoying.
Simply move on. As I am now doing with you. All the best to you.
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Many of us strive to keep an attitude of friendliness on these forums.
Here's hoping you two will be able to kiss and make up, life's too short and Band in a Box is too much fun.
--Mac
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I know the ins file works as I use it all the time in Sonar!!!!
Thanks, yeah I already did that!!
All I get when I try to select patches for the parts are GM2 sound banks!
Ok, no problem. Not breathless, I get it. So, what exactly are you exclaiming about?
When Mountainside suggested to do the PAT file conversion you said:
"Thanks, yeah I already did that!!" What's the reason for the exclamation points then? You answer somebody's suggestion who's just trying to help with that and it looks disrespectful to me but I could be wrong.
Your comment "I use it all the time in Sonar!!!!" Four exclamation points certainly implies that you think there must be something wrong with PG's software because it works great in Sonar. That's a impertinent comment to make when you don't understand the software yet. After some time with it, you're an expert at that point, maybe you can make that comment but not yet.
Just being calm and reasonable here, not trying to flame you or anything, maybe this is simply your style or writing but when you read many threads here that have questions you don't see that very often. Exclamation points imply shouting, disrespect, whatever you want to call it. Not necessary.
Just ask your question: How do I access the higher banks when using a Sonic Cell? Simple. Nobody cares that it works in Sonar. Nobody cares if you can't get to work properly you're going to dump the program. What's that got to do with your question?
Bob
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Bob, I post that information to avoid having people (who I know are only trying to help) asking those very questions. I always give as much background when a question is asked so others know what I have tried already to avoid them wasting time and space. For example if I state the ins file already works correctly in other software, that tells people that the INS file is indeed correctly programmed. And avoids them needing to ascertain if that then is the problem. You see where this goes? It is a lesson learned a long time ago when using forums and posting questions. You note I did thank the poster for making the suggestion? I could have just left the "...works in Sonar" reply bare, could I not? I was thanking him for taking the time to reply, but advising that I had already discovered and implemented that after I asked the question. Perhaps three marks was a bit much, but nothing was really meant by it. And the guy who made the post did not seem to mind - well he made no comment, and probably did not notice and moreover, did not care. No offence but you seem to be the only one who has. I do not ask questions on forums and then sit back and wait..I still continue with my own investigations in the meantime. I don't think I used the term "dump" at all and in fact I said I might -and I emphasise might - need to return it for a refund if I could not get it working in a manner that I needed. As it turned out BIAB did list the upper banks I use, but do it in an unusual way in that they put all the patches regardless of GM GM2 or MSB/LSB status all together in instrument only banks. Leading off with all the GM and GM2 data first. Which at first blush made it seem like the conversion had not been done correctly. It was after I started scrolling (deliberately) one by one down the lists did I eventually come across the patches I needed. And I made a separate post regarding this fact. So I am not sure where you got dump from, the use of which also implies a rather more cavalier approach than was originally written. And in any case, that statement was rhetorical and really was not seeking or expecting a response. I use grammatical marks in text, as text is very dry and difficult to portray intent. I am sure that were we face to face asking these same questions, you would not be making the same comments as you would clearly see there is no disrespect either tacit or overt. I may only be new to BIAB (2012) but I was a regular user and upgrader to about version 5 or 6 which is where I stopped using it. And I have been using MIDI in both use and programming since the first Roland board to have it - the JX3p circa 1987. By the way, using caps in full sentences is the accepted convention for shouting in "text-speak" not exclamation marks. Where there is no formatting of text (example - italics) allowed on a forum board, the use of caps for a single word is generally accepted as the way to emphasise a comment. In a way, trying to mimic our face to face communication tools of tone and facial expression. Anyhoo, as this question has been asked and answered might I suggest we move on  I certainly hold no resentment, life is too short as Mac points out, and although the text may imply otherwise, I did not have my heartbeat elevated at any time  Cheers Dennis
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Anyhoo, as this question has been asked and answered might I suggest we move on
I certainly hold no resentment, life is too short as Mac points out, and although the text may imply otherwise, I did not have my heartbeat elevated at any time
Cheers
Dennis
Absolutely Dennis, we're cool. It's just one of those things that bugs me, that's all. Just like this new guy Dalton426 with the ten question marks in his post title. Ten. Really? I guess five isn't enough to convey just how pissed off he is but twenty, now THAT would be over the top...
Bob
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Cheers Bob, thanks -and ten is a tad of overkill  although he might be restraining himself a bit there..he should really let others know how he TRULY feels Dennis
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