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John, there is going to come a point where you are going to have to do with that interface what I did with my size 36 jeans. Fortunately you can buy a new interface like I bought bigger jeans. Then bigger. Then bigger still.
PCI is gone as far as off the shelf PCs go. You can go the mobo, CPU and RAM path like I did last year when climbing Mt MOTU, and that ran me about $120.
I don't remember who but someone steered me toward a multi I/O interface back then but it wasn't going to fill me need so I never really looked. I think maybe Sweetwater.
Could you post a photo of your rig the next time you set the whole thing up? I have been at a loss all along if you have multiple audio outs or multiple midi outs. It seems that just like with anything else, it may take some rethinking but you could live without that specific interface. I'd love to see what you use and do. Like most of us, our rig is ever evolving and I am always looking at things to get new thoughts.
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Just having a machine that has the proper PCI slot in it is not a full guarantee, either.
Make darn good and sure that reputable drivers that work with newer OS's, chipsets, etc. are available for you old friend as well as what the company looks like regarding future support, driver updates, etc.
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John, Quote:
Can you even get a desktop with a PCI slot or are they all PCIe.
Yes, you can get get one with PCI slots, but not off the shelf. You would need to go with an online builder, choose the "Customize" option and select a mobo that has PCI slots. My PC is less than a year old and I have 3 unused PCI slots and 2 empty PCIe slots by choice.
Many on here poo-poo game PC builders but they are incorrect in making that assumption, especially on a customized PC.
You can pick every single piece of hardware in the PC from an extensive drop down list, including a plain Jane case. You can even have soundproofing added to the case, which BTW adds to heat build up in the case.
My choice would be:
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John is pretty near an EE, certainly a qualified Electronics Technician AND an active licensed Amateur Radio Operator just like yours truly. I think John could specify the right mobo combination and slap a box together as good as any gamer builder can.
Matter of fact, that may be a good idea for John to consider. Especially if he already has a tower case, power supply, etc. to just upgrade.
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Thanks Kevin and Mac. I think I am good to go!
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John is pretty near an EE, certainly a qualified Electronics Technician AND an active licensed Amateur Radio Operator just like yours truly. I think John could specify the right mobo combination and slap a box together as good as any gamer builder can.
Matter of fact, that may be a good idea for John to consider. Especially if he already has a tower case, power supply, etc. to just upgrade.
--Mac
Yea I can do that and probably will. In fact I just rebuilt my desktop with a MoBo/Processor and Ram I got from RHARV & RYSARD. The problem I'm having with it is that the AMD processor is only SSE and now the Authorization Manager and Amplitube 3 require SSE2 per their tech support so I can't run any of the Amplitube stuff that I use a lot. Othere then that this machine would be fine.
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John -- Do a bit of research on the mobo and socket type to see if there isn't another AMD CPU out there that can be dropped into the socket and supports higher version of SSE.
I often find the older CPUs at bargain bin prices from online surplus computer sales outlets.
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John is pretty near an EE, certainly a qualified Electronics Technician AND an active licensed Amateur Radio Operator just like yours truly. I think John could specify the right mobo combination and slap a box together as good as any gamer builder can.
Matter of fact, that may be a good idea for John to consider. Especially if he already has a tower case, power supply, etc. to just upgrade.
At least they can call you a ham for the RIGHT reasons.....
Probably the most cost efficient path. When I did it I used an Intel E5700 chip (now WAY out of vogue) and it was all the horsepower I needed. 3ghz dual core with 800mb front side bus, CAN be overclocked but no reason to do so, and 4 gigs of RAM, plus the mobo and I think I spent $120. Took an extra step and ghosted over to a 10,000 RPM hard drive, but that wasn't really necessary. I just had one laying around. The case had a 400w power supply already, and by ghosting I only needed to worry about onboard device drivers, which were on the disc that came with the mobo. That wold save John the aggravation of shopping for and reading reviews about interfaces.
Where I get confused with your rig John is that you also talk about a "lappy" a lot. So which do you use, desktop or laptop? My best guess is that you travel with a laptop but use a desktop in the home studio. Which leads to the next question, the multi out interface can only be used with the desktop, so how does that translate to what you do live?
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John -- Do a bit of research on the mobo and socket type to see if there isn't another AMD CPU out there that can be dropped into the socket and supports higher version of SSE.
I often find the older CPUs at bargain bin prices from online surplus computer sales outlets.
--Mac
I was thinking of upgrading the whole thing but shoot it's just the processor. I'm going to start looking.
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Processor is an AMD Athlon(tm)XP 2600+ Now I need to crack the case to see what the MoBo is. Then you all can help me find an upgraded processor for the MoBo that supports SSE2. 
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I found this little nugget so I guess it's MOBO & Processor.
ARE THERE ANY SOCKET A PROCESSORS THAT HAVE THE SSE2 INSTRUCTION.. I HAVE A GA-7N400 PRO MOTHER BOARD.
AND WHAT AMOUNT OF RAM WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR THAT PROCESSOR
Response: There are no socket A processors with SSE2 instructions. Please post other question in the forum.
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Processor is an AMD Athlon(tm)XP 2600+
Now I need to crack the case to see what the MoBo is. Then you all can help me find an upgraded processor for the MoBo that supports SSE2.
The important thing to find out first now is the Socket Type on the mobo. For example, the old 939 pin AMD socket, possible candidates may be fewer, but are still available.
I'd also check to see that the particular mobo chipset can support the level of SSE needed (or better).
Websearch the mobo mfr's website for any documentation on the mobo, it should all be there in one place, hopefully.
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Mac - Quick question on my recording setup. As said, I plug my Yamaha mixer straight into the microphone input on my HP Laptop and then plug my Samsung dynamic microphone into the mixer and then record (I have no effects on the mixer). I am getting a hiss and a slight crackle on the track. You don’t really notice it when the piece is mixed but it does bother me. What component do you think is causing this or do you think I should just live with it for the time being. I look forward to hearing from you.
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Sounds like you might want to try turning the channel on the mixer UP and the amount of output you are sending to the computer DOWN. Turn the channel as high as you can get it without clipping and then adjust the master output of the mixer. Without seeing what you have going on it's hard to guess.
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My guess - "the microphone input on my HP Laptop "
Not the best route for recording line level input.
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Very true Harv. However, her only option.
Jo I would suggest you consider a USB interface to get you off of the internal sound architecture of your computer. You can find M-Audio hardware just about everywhere.
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Mac - Quick question on my recording setup. As said, I plug my Yamaha mixer straight into the microphone input on my HP Laptop and then plug my Samsung dynamic microphone into the mixer and then record (I have no effects on the mixer). I am getting a hiss and a slight crackle on the track. You don’t really notice it when the piece is mixed but it does bother me. What component do you think is causing this or do you think I should just live with it for the time being. I look forward to hearing from you.
Two things wrong about doing that.
#1, you are feeding a Line Level output signal from the mixer into a MIC level input at the computer. AC Signal Voltage-wise, the Line Level will typically be at least many orders of magnitude hotter than what a Mic Level signal is supposed to be. (Typical Consumer Line Level can generate around 1V to 2V AC signal levels, typical MIC level is going to be way down around the 20 to 100mV (miiliVolts, or 1/1000th of one volt). This can create analog overdrive situation of "Clipping" at the input.
That said, it is possible to alleviate that condition quite a bit by turning the Master Output fader of a mixer WAY DOWN from what would be the "normal" area used when driving a Line Input. Try turning that hardware master fader all the way down, then turning the software Recording fader for the Mic input up to about ~60-75% of full travel, then, while singing as loud as you can into the mic, start "cracking" that master fader on the mixer open ever so slightly while watching the input VU meters in your recording software. A good place for them to be for tracking is to see them hovering at around the -6dB of FS indication. Not all the way up to zero at this point, because its a good idea to have a bit of headroom there when doing the actual recording.
#2 Consists of knowing the the sound device built into the computer and its Mic Input aren't designed for much in the way of music fidelity. The Mic Preamp inside is of rather low quality, designed for spoken voice use more than musical use, and there will be more inherent Noise on the signal. Since Noise is additive in nature, the problem may not be as noticeable when recording and playing back one track recorded through the Mic Input, but if you intend to go back and record other tracks as in a Multitrack recording, that noise soon adds up and makes for a rather poor sounding mix.
Answer to all of these problems is a good aftermarket Sound Recording Device that is designed for Music Recording, High Fidelity uses.
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EDIT: Whoops.
Sorry Eddie, read it wrong the first time.
Man, this is some GOOD Kona coffee this mornin'...
heh
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Isn't that what I said, Mac? Turn the master output of the mixer down and boost the individual channel? Bottom line though is to buy an interface. I see this same M-Audio I paid $200 for new in 2009 selling for $50 in eBay and craigslist. Makes me sad, but then I think about how much I personally depreciated.... 3 years more wear on a diabetic, arthritic body that wasn't great to start with...
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Eddie and Mac. Thanks so much for the advice! I am going to start looking around for as sound recording device.
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