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#18761 - 04/01/09 06:58 AM [Off-Topic] Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp
PapaMikie Offline

Registered: 07/13/07
Posts: 888
Loc: Ottawa ON Canada
I am considering getting an electric Guitar and Amp. My goals is to get something that I can use to practice late at night or early in the a.m. and listen to on headphone, perhaps through the computer audio in to practice with BIAB. I assume there is typically a way to get the sound out to the computer (perhaps headphones out to audio in)

I have never used an electic guitar, I am trying to keep the budget down, just wonder what other user have or suggest.

Any feedback on what to get, how to set it up for uses with computer and BIAB would be appreciated.

#18762 - 04/01/09 07:27 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: PapaMikie]
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I've heard that the Fender Squire Strat package is pretty good.
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#18763 - 04/01/09 08:51 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: PapaMikie]
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Registered: 09/28/07
Posts: 3898
Loc: Kennesaw (Atlanta) GA

I am considering getting an electric Guitar and Amp. My goals is to get something that I can use to practice late at night or early in the a.m. and listen to on headphone, perhaps through the computer audio in to practice with BIAB. I assume there is typically a way to get the sound out to the computer (perhaps headphones out to audio in)

I have never used an electic guitar, I am trying to keep the budget down, just wonder what other user have or suggest.

Any feedback on what to get, how to set it up for uses with computer and BIAB would be appreciated.

My advice would be to buy the guitar and amp separately, as you can get your hands on the guitar and evaluate it by itself.

I got my son a $150 Squier Strat for Christmas several years ago. It was superb; he still has it, and I have used it for some projects myself. My son wanted a low-end B.C. Rich, which was a piece of crap, at the same price for the looks, but even he could tell the difference once he had it in his hands. Take a friend who knows guitars shopping with you and he or she will help you make a good decision.

If I were doing it now, I would take a look at any of these Behringer USB guitar packages. The guitar will plug straight into your PC and the packages include software. I haven't used them myself, but I am a Behry freak and consider them worth at least a look.

As far as the amp, you just want something with, at a minimum, distortion, reverb, a headphone out and CD in. 'Everbody' makes one of these in the 10-15 watt range for not much money. Spend a little more and you'll get more effects. (Power, in watts, is unimportant; if you need more volume, plug it into a PA.) They all have a headphone out; some will have a dedicated line out. Anything in this price range will be noisy, though, perhaps a consideration if you're thinking of recording with it. OTOH, that's almost a given and can be considered to add to the character of the sound.

If you can spend a little more, consider an emulator such as the Behringer V-Amp or Line 6 Pod. These don't have speakers, but reproduce the sounds of many effects, amplifiers and speaker combinations--a LOT of bang for the buck. I have had my hands on versions of all three and recommend any of the lot. In fact, you might think about the Bass V-Amp. Despite the name, it is highly suited for guitar as well, and if you get a bass later on, you'll be ready for that, too.

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#18764 - 04/01/09 09:06 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: PapaMikie]
Notes Norton Offline

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Loc: Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.
Do you play guitar at all? (acoustic?)

There are a number of solutions.

My solution was an Epiphone Casino, because it is an acoustic guitar as well an electric guitar, so I can practice without an amp if I want.

Pure electric choices range from Fender Squier, various Epiphones, some Ibanez models, to the low-end guitars with decent reputations like Agile at Rondo Music and Xavieres at Guitar Fetish

I had a low-end Kramer/Focus/Faux-Strat guitar that was decent. The build was good but the pickups were a little weak - but it was very inexpensive and pup upgrades are reasonable.

But nothing beats going to a music store and putting your hands on the guitar, plugging it in to an amp, turning off all FX except for a little reverb, and listening.

Here is a picture of my Epiphone Casino (about $400 used) and my Gibson ES-330 (about $5,000 used). They are very similar looking and sounding. If $400 isn't too steep for your budget, I'd recommend that you go to a music store and try one out.

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#18765 - 04/01/09 10:20 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: Notes Norton]
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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 1070
Loc: Arizona
As a decent starter guitar, the Behringer usb guitar is not a bad choice for interfacing with the computer.

Everyone that I have talked to that owns a few guitars, seem to agree that the SX or agile guitars from Rondo beat the low end big brands for quality build etc. I pretty much play nothing but copies now when I buy electrics. I have a great Jay Turser Neck Thru Bass, (used on eabay), I have a Jay Turser 335 copy purchased new on ebay. Both are great guitars. I also have an old set neck LP copy by Memphis which is one of my favorites. The only big name I have now is a Peavey 5 string Grind Bass, and my Larrivee accoustic.

If I were to buy an amp on a budget, I'd probably look at a small Behriinger, because they seem to be less noisy. The other would be a Line 6 Spider probably at least a 10 or 12" speaker.

I also have a Korean fender squire pro tone, which is not made any longer, but is a great guitar although more money.

I'd seriously look at the jay tursers and the SX.
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#18766 - 04/01/09 11:09 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: toucher]
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A great little practice amp is the Roland Mini Cube.

It has 7 amplifier models, reverb, delay, tremelo, chours, phazer, and flanging. It has headphones out that cuts off the main speaker so that you can practice without disturbing others. Street price in the neighborhood of 115 US dollars. Can be plugged into a PA system or the audio interface on your computer.

As far as an electric guitar I would take a look at something like the epiphone dot. Its about 400 dollars and has characteritics of both a solid body guitar and a hollow body. I have one and its a nice guitar. I also have an ephiphone Lucille that I like even better which retails for around 700 dollars. Its got a switch on it that can take you from the fatter gibson sound to the thinner telecastor/strat sound.

I wouldn't buy any instrument without sitting down and looking it over carefully and playing it. I found that Epiphone in particular has a lot of variation in the quality between instruments of the same model. When I went to the local Guitar Center to buy my Dot, I played 10 representatives of the Dot line, and didn't find 2 that were the same. The one that I ended up buying actually had the adujustable parts of the bridge installed backwards, something I didn't notice in the store but discovered when I got it home and started trying to fine tune the intonation.
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#18767 - 04/01/09 11:35 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: PapaMikie]
Oren Fisher Offline

Registered: 07/08/06
Posts: 1126
Loc: Victoria, BC Canada
Papa Mikie,

You are a Canadian - buy a Godin.
Go used to keep the price low, if you want, but even new they are a serious bargain. They sound good, play like a dream, are well built, and the quality control is good. The same company makes Seagull, La Patrie, Norman, and Art and Lutherie guitars.
The LG model is a fabulous Gibson-style guitar, and the Freeway model has the classic Fender feel and sound. The components are made in a small factory in Quebec and assembled across the border in New Hampshire.

Have a look here: lower-priced Godin electric guitars

Why buy something from Korea, China, or Japan when you could own a real working man's guitar, made in your own back yard?

I play the Godin "Freeway 4", and it is the equal of any bass I've ever played (and I have owned a lot of basses ).
I have owned, and recorded with, two Godin LG's, and actually prefer them to the Gibson SG or Les Paul.

Am I making any sense, yet?.....
just looking for clues...

#18768 - 04/01/09 11:51 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: Oren Fisher]
guitarman Offline

Registered: 07/25/05
Posts: 973
Loc: U.K
Well,I am biased towards Fender because I have played them for nearly 50 years.

Squier Strat Package comes with a little practise amp,but as always,please,please go to
a store and try it,or get the salesman to demo it for you,it's the only way to see if it
comes anywhere what you need.

Depending what sort of stuff you want to play,an Epiphone Les Paul is not a bad buy,but
it is a bit more expensive,and doesn't come with an amp.

You could always consider a used instrument but to be honest,for the price, a Squier Package
is hard to beat.

Go to the store and have a look,you don't have to buy anything you don't like.

Good hunting


#18769 - 04/01/09 12:10 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: Notes Norton]
PapaMikie Offline

Registered: 07/13/07
Posts: 888
Loc: Ottawa ON Canada
I do play guitar. Used to play a lot, and over the last year or two have been getting back at it. One issue is my music area is right central in the house, and playing acoustic in the middle of the night does not make other too happy. For some strange reason they think they should be able to sleep rather than listen to me practice scale, riffs, etc.

I am looking to pactice and figure the sound of an electric un applified will not be too disturbing to their sleep.

I am just looking for suggestions on a starting point.

#18770 - 04/01/09 12:41 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: PapaMikie]
Robh Offline

Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 4166
Loc: California
A friend bought a Bass From Rondo , and i am very impressed, for the money it was very well made. I have my eye on one of there Tele clone as we speak. Also i would go with a POD2 amp modeler for an amp, cause it interfaces with your compurer easily, and sound great, shop ebay for a good used one. This combo will make for some great recordings and a super practice team
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#18771 - 04/01/09 06:30 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: Robh]
toucher Offline

Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 1070
Loc: Arizona
Suffice it to say there are as many opinions as there are guitars and amps. Since you do play, you probably have an idea of what you like. Couple of buddies have fender custom shop teles, neck thru, b-bender set ups etc.. They are a complete overkill for me considering how well I play. about $6000.00 or so each.

Its all about what you want, need and or can afford. I have a kick around accoustic that isn't worth $100.00, but a good setup, and some fret dressing, makes a world of difference. Doesn't sound as good as my larrivee, but if it gets banged up it's no great loss.
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#18772 - 04/01/09 08:21 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: Robh]
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Registered: 01/31/07
Posts: 928
Loc: Virginia

A friend bought a Bass From Rondo , and i am very impressed, for the money it was very well made.

Quite correct.
The SX model guitars from Rondo are excellent values.
I own three of them (he said sheepishly).
And Kurt is an easy guy to deal with if necessary.

#18773 - 04/02/09 06:05 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: FirstBassman]
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Registered: 01/14/02
Posts: 7297
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO, USA
You really can't go wrong with guitars and basses from Rondo music. I have a bass from them (copy of a 62 custom Precision bass) and a solid cedar top classical guitar from them.

Aim for either the SX or Agile brand.

Regarding the amp/interface/etc. I'll second the Behringer V-Amp - but I recommend the Bass V-Amp, even for guitar players. It has both good guitar amp and bass guitar amp simulation.

#18774 - 04/03/09 10:29 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: PapaMikie]
Josh - PG Music Inc. Offline

Registered: 08/13/03
Posts: 172

I am looking to pactice and figure the sound of an electric un applified will not be too disturbing to their sleep.

I am just looking for suggestions on a starting point.

If you're looking to practice un-amplified, you'll want a hollow-body of some sort. Notes was right on suggesting a Casino, or you could go with the popular (and really quite nice) Ibanez Artcore line.

This may sound obvious, but it bears repeating: Get the best you can afford. If I've learned one thing over the years of futzing around buying and selling guitars, it's this. People love to say that cheapies are as good as higher end guitars, but in the vast majority of cases this is incorrect. I'm not suggesting you go and get a custom shop Gibson (though they are wonderful ), but I _am_ suggesting that you don't just get a Behringer USB guitar and be done with it. Get something that you will be proud to own five years down the line.

The flip-side of getting something that's good is that you can actually use it to perform live or record in the future, if you like.

As for amplifiers, it really depends on your needs. If you're looking for a little practice solution with headphones, you might not even need an amp - the purist in me hates to say it, but you may want to go for a POD or something of the sort... Or if you'd like to go _really_ simple, VOX makes a line of headphone amps that literally plug into your guitar (they are tiny palm sized units) which might be just right for practice.

If you have any other guitar questions, let me know Good luck!
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#18775 - 04/03/09 12:52 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Suggestions for Electric Guitar and Amp [Re: Josh - PG Music Inc.]
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Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 98
Loc: Texas
Well, a lot of good suggestions here. I do recommend Rondo Music, as they have a high value-per-buck on their products, pretty quick shipping and good customer service. I would also like to mention Guitarfetish as another oufit that sells extremely nice products at a very reasonable price and has great customer service. I've never had to wait more than 24 hours for an email reply to any questions from Guitarfetish. I do a lot of business with them because I have a sideline building and customizing electric guitars, and they have some top quality parts at great prices.

The Behringer adapter is a neat item for playing through your computer. If you need an amp, decide on what tone you want and how much power. Remember that tone and power are related, so don't expect a lot of gutsy tone from a six inch speaker. Also, tube amps are kinda expensive, but a lot of us guitar guys really like the warmth and smooth overdrive that a tube amp offers. Just go play some guitars and plug them into some amps at your local music store. Then order online...LOL

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