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#191642 - 01/28/13 06:18 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: Mac]
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Something else about some USB MIDI devices that I've noticed, with some programs, I have to attach the USB device to the port and let the OS recognize the device before opening or starting that program.


Some programs will even look like they "see" the USB device in their connection listing, but choosing it won't work if the device has not been recognized by the system first.

This can be confusing, for there are some programs out there that will recognize said device "on the fly" - allowing us to plug it in while the program is still running, yet the program must have a routine to be able to use the device that way.

Band in a Box is one of those programs where the USB device, whether MIDI or Audio or both, must be plugged in and recognized by your OS before starting up BB.


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A very good point Mac. There's a chance that this behaviour is causing some of the problems Pat is reporting with regard to ports that work intermittantly.
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#191643 - 01/30/13 06:45 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: pwarren]
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Does anyone else have any comments, questions or performance reports? If not I'm going to package this VSTi as a non-beta version and put it on the BiaB wiki for download.

Everything is working well for me. I can play my SD2 and use my VoiceWorks Plus which is a great additional feature.
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#191644 - 01/31/13 07:43 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: pwarren]
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Paul, took a look at BAIB Wiki via your link but don't see the VSTi tool yet. Have you posted the final? Where will you post it? In the Downloads section? Would it be possible to include a setup dialog to help us first timers get it up and running properly?

Do have a question: If I have multiple external midi modules and a midi patch bay with multiple ports, could I use your VSTi and access internal VSTi's, external modules and my vocal processor all at the same time....similiar to what I do in RB?

Many thanks, looking forward to opening a new chapter of BIAB use with your utility,
Jeff
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#191645 - 01/31/13 10:18 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: MountainSide]
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Paul, took a look at BAIB Wiki via your link but don't see the VSTi tool yet. Have you posted the final? Where will you post it? In the Downloads section?


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I'm hoping to post the release version tomorrow. I do intend to put it in the downloads section of the wiki.

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Would it be possible to include a setup dialog to help us first timers get it up and running properly?




I won't be adding a setup utility. It's too easy to install to need it. There will be written instructions, however, for both setup and use.

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Do have a question: If I have multiple external midi modules and a midi patch bay with multiple ports, could I use your VSTi and access internal VSTi's, external modules and my vocal processor all at the same time....similiar to what I do in RB?




To a limited extent, yes. You can only access one port with one instance of the VSTi. If you have two external ports, and assuming they aren't both addressed together, you can have two instances of the VSTi accessing each port on two different tracks.

You can't use an internal VSTi on the same track as the redirector but you can have internal VSTi's on other tracks. However, I don't expect this utility to make BiaB do the same things as RB. It's really just intended to extent BiaB slightly for those of us with external gear who want to use soft synths primarily but want to add the odd track of external synths.

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Many thanks, looking forward to opening a new chapter of BIAB use with your utility,
Jeff




Your welcome Jeff. I hope you like it.

Paul
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#191646 - 02/01/13 08:52 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: pwarren]
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Thanks Paul, appreciate your response and very much looking forward to using this great tool!

It goes without saying that your ability to program this has helped a great many of us to realize more of the potential of BIAB and our systems. It's funny that without the ability to use soft and hard synths at the same time in BIAB, I've been using RB to do this. So in effect, I've been using the "free" program to do what the program I bought couldn't do. This has caused quite a dilemma for me; realizing all of what a great program like BIAB can do but not be able to use the way I want on the system that I have. You have solved the great quandary! I am very grateful for your work and anxious to give it a go!

Jeff
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#191647 - 02/01/13 11:09 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: MountainSide]
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It goes without saying that your ability to program this has helped a great many of us to realize more of the potential of BIAB and our systems. It's funny that without the ability to use soft and hard synths at the same time in BIAB, I've been using RB to do this. So in effect, I've been using the "free" program to do what the program I bought couldn't do. This has caused quite a dilemma for me; realizing all of what a great program like BIAB can do but not be able to use the way I want on the system that I have. You have solved the great quandary! I am very grateful for your work and anxious to give it a go!




To me BiaB did so much already that the inability to use my SD2 and VoiceWorks wasn't a deal breaker. Soft synths with FX sounded so much better than plain midi that I could live without the SD2. But I always did think it a shame to have a $400 item sit unused, especially knowing how good some of the keyboard voices sounded. Hence the redirector idea.

I should point out though it does have some limitations as I've mentioned before. And, unfortunately I don't know how it'll work with your multiple midi ports. I hope it'll do what you expect but it won't make BiaB as versatile as RB in the area of mixing sound modules.
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#191648 - 02/01/13 12:27 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: pwarren]
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The release version is ready for download here on the BiaB wiki. There are detailed instructions for installation and use on the indicated page. Enjoy.

paul
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#191649 - 02/01/13 01:17 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: pwarren]
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Paul, once again, many thanks for this great effort.

Before I run into a possible brick wall trying this out, could you tell me what are the ramifications of this statement in the Wiki: "This VSTi is strictly 32 bit."

Explanation: I have Windows 7 Pro 64-bit. Of course it runs 32-bit software including BIAB. When I use a 64-bit software (like SONAR as I installed it), that's when I run into problems with some plugins that are 32-bit (requiring things like J-bridge or bit-bridge and the like). Has anyone tested VSTi to MIDI on a 64-bit Windows, using an external MIDI synth that runs on 64-bit drivers (like my Roland Fantom XR)?

Thanks!

matt
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#191650 - 02/01/13 03:41 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: Matt Finley]
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Before I run into a possible brick wall trying this out, could you tell me what are the ramifications of this statement in the Wiki: "This VSTi is strictly 32 bit."




It will not run in a native 64bit environment. However, as far as I know neither will BiaB. So I would expect it to run in BiaB but would not expect it to run in a 64bit DAW. It won't do any harm to your system so why not give it a try and let me know how it works.

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Has anyone tested VSTi to MIDI on a 64-bit Windows, using an external MIDI synth that runs on 64-bit drivers (like my Roland Fantom XR)?




I haven't, that's for sure. I don't own a 64bit system. However, as the worst that could happen is it would lock up the system and require a reboot I'd say give it a try. I'm assuming you mean within 32bit BiaB of course. I can guarantee it won't run under a 64bit DAW.

As for those 64bit midi drivers, I'd guess that won't be a problem if BiaB accesses them. The data passed to the midi port is independent of the driver.

Paul
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#191651 - 02/01/13 04:00 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: pwarren]
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Yes, that last statement makes good sense in this case. OK, I'll find some time to try it out. Thanks.
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#191652 - 02/01/13 04:30 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: pwarren]
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I haven't, that's for sure. I don't own a 64bit system. However, as the worst that could happen is it would lock up the system and require a reboot I'd say give it a try. I'm assuming you mean within 32bit BiaB of course. I can guarantee it won't run under a 64bit DAW.

As for those 64bit midi drivers, I'd guess that won't be a problem if BiaB accesses them. The data passed to the midi port is independent of the driver.

Paul




Hi Paul,

FYI – BiaB runs just fine on my 64 bit win 7 Pro. It is still a 32 bit program though. Consequently BiaB will not address any 64 bit VSTis. It does however address 32 bit VSTis with no problem, that is as far as I know.
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#191653 - 02/01/13 04:45 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: MarioD]
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Mario, what was your choice for the location of the DLL? It's different on a 64-bit OS than the instructions say.
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#191654 - 02/01/13 05:18 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: Matt Finley]
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Paul, this is amazing! I'm playing a tune in BIAB. I'm using a RealDrum track, using a Roland TTS-1 for guitar, a Roland Fantom XR with your MidiReDirector for the piano track, a trumpet melody using another MidiReDirector to a Yamaha Motif XS Rack and I have a solo set up on another VSTi using a MusicLab RealGuitar. It works great!!

This is an excellent piece of work Paul. I don't know how you did it but you've opened up a whole new world for BIAB users....quite an accomplishment!

Matt, you won't have any problems with your Fantom and the ReDirect in BIAB. I'm running Win 7x64 too.
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#191655 - 02/01/13 05:50 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: MountainSide]
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Where did you put the DLL?
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#191656 - 02/01/13 05:54 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: Matt Finley]
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Mario, what was your choice for the location of the DLL? It's different on a 64-bit OS than the instructions say.




Matt

Anywhere you want to put the .dll - if you are a stickler for MS protocol (I'm not) then I guess C:\Program files (x86)\VST or C:\…\VST Plugins

I'm runngin BIAB now on Win 7 64 and I've put mine on my D:\MUSIC\Cakewalk\VStPlugins (which is where 90% of my 32 bit VSTs/VSTi go) and I just make everything look there. Long story - but it's because MY first use of VST's and VSTi's were using Cakewalk DAW. And when additional and newer stuff come along I didn't want to be chasing this stuff over multiple drives and directories (I end have having to anyway since some things have a mind of their own no matter what you tell installer)

I really need to install my version of SONAR 64 bit one of these days ( I haven't yet because I actually have NO 64 bit plug ins expect a few things that came with Sonar and other apps)

larry
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#191657 - 02/01/13 05:55 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: Matt Finley]
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After I downloaded it from Paul's site, I extracted it to my Program Files(86) VSTi folder where I keep my 32 bit .dll's.
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#191658 - 02/01/13 05:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: Larry Kehl]
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You NEED to work a deal with Paul to INCLUDE this with NEXT release of BIAB with a built-in install and instructions and ….

Also give Paul his next update for FREE!!
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#191659 - 02/01/13 06:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: MountainSide]
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Paul, this is amazing! I'm playing a tune in BIAB. I'm using a RealDrum track, using a Roland TTS-1 for guitar, a Roland Fantom XR with your MidiReDirector for the piano track, a trumpet melody using another MidiReDirector to a Yamaha Motif XS Rack and I have a solo set up on another VSTi using a MusicLab RealGuitar. It works great!!

This is an excellent piece of work Paul. I don't know how you did it but you've opened up a whole new world for BIAB users....quite an accomplishment!

Matt, you won't have any problems with your Fantom and the ReDirect in BIAB. I'm running Win 7x64 too.




Wow! I wouldn't have predicted it would run multiple midi outs. Mainly because I have no idea how those might be addressed within windows. Of course I'm happy it does work.

One caveat though. Midi ports are volatile so they may not always load in the same order. Especially if they get unplugged (in the cse of USB ports) and er-plugged. In that case the tracks you have loaded the Redirectors on might connect to a different port when you reopen a song. Keep an eye out for this.

There's unfortunately no way to save the port NAME which would eliminate that possible problem.
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#191660 - 02/01/13 06:35 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: Larry Kehl]
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PG Music (Peter)

You NEED to work a deal with Paul to INCLUDE this with NEXT release of BIAB with a built-in install and instructions and ….

Also give Paul his next update for FREE!!




hahaha

No deal necessary. I'd happily make it available free if they felt like including it. The only thing that makes me worry is knowing that midi ports aren't always in the same order, or even there at all for that matter, and I suspect that could cause users some frustration.

Of course if some of the midi gurus at PGM wanted to help further develop it I'd be up for that too.
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#191661 - 02/01/13 06:49 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: VSTi to Midi v0.9b is here [Re: pwarren]
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You're right about the midi ports Paul.

I tried to save the song I referenced above, then opened another song without any ReDirect in it. Then went back to the referenced song and opened it. None of the redirect parts (piano and trumpet from the ReDirect) AND none of the VSTi assignments were making a sound.

When I hit the "SYNTH" VSTi button in BIAB all of the assignments for the ReDirector, as well as the VSTi's, are all there but there is no sound on those tracks. If I click on each one, momentarily change it to another port and then go back to the original port; all is well and they all sound as they did originally.

Was not expecting this as I pretty much have my system hardwired in that I never make any changes to USB's, cables, audio or midi interfaces or synth setups.

Do you think that this is the problem you mentioned with port volitility or do I have some other issue going on?
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