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#192019 - 01/26/13 12:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Total Noob question: is it possible...
LtKojak Offline
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... to generate MIDI data from the playing of a RealTrack?

Specifically the drum track.

Yes? No? Maybe? It depends...?

I'm all ears!
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#192020 - 01/26/13 01:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: LtKojak]
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... to generate MIDI data from the playing of a RealTrack?

Specifically the drum track.

Yes? No? Maybe? It depends...?

I'm all ears!




You forgot one choice..."I don't know."...which is my answer. (-:

But I'm curious as to why you would want to and that answer might help others to help you.

Best,

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#192021 - 01/26/13 01:41 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: av84fun]
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LtKojak,

This will probably interest you.

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.p...true#Post372978
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#192022 - 01/26/13 04:15 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: LtKojak]
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These videos explain how to copy Real Tracks in a way that will yield MIDI data. Never mind that they seem to be talking about Ukulele. It works with any Real Track that has Realchart notation. It will not work with drums, because as far as I know none of the real drums tracks has notation.

http://screencast.com/t/8zrPgQIDln

http://screencast.com/t/8bM45o68dr

http://screencast.com/t/rF8aaAXU

The videos are found on this support page:

http://www.pgmusic.com/videos.bbwin.htm


Edited by flatfoot (01/26/13 04:15 PM)
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#192023 - 01/26/13 05:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: flatfoot]
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It's a shame it doesn't work with drums.

Oh, well... would've been too easy, isn't it?

You need to make MIDI Super Tracks with Drums too.

Are you listening, Peter?
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#192024 - 01/26/13 08:56 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: LtKojak]
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Don't know if there are any Drum Supertracks in our future, but we already have Live MIDI Drums in many of the MIDI styles. These were made using a live drummer playing a MIDI drumkit and, of course, recorded as MIDI and then placed into the Style.

On top of that, to get MIDI drums, typically all you have to do is load a MIDI style and go to the RealDrums control panel and turn off the "substitute realdrums" command at the top. The Green Drums will turn to Yellow, indicating that a MIDI part is playing on the Drums track now.


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#192025 - 01/29/13 12:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: Mac]
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Don't know if there are any Drum Supertracks in our future, but we already have Live MIDI Drums in many of the MIDI styles. These were made using a live drummer playing a MIDI drumkit and, of course, recorded as MIDI and then placed into the Style.

On top of that, to get MIDI drums, typically all you have to do is load a MIDI style and go to the RealDrums control panel and turn off the "substitute realdrums" command at the top. The Green Drums will turn to Yellow, indicating that a MIDI part is playing on the Drums track now.


--Mac




OK, so HOW can I distinguish between a Real Track style and a MIDI one?

Is it written somewhere and I my old, tired eyes didn't notice it?


Edited by LtKojak (01/29/13 12:11 PM)
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#192026 - 01/29/13 12:24 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: LtKojak]
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In the Stylepicker, Realtracks styles are identified by an underscore (_stylename) in front of their name.

This underscore will also show up in the Style slot on the main page view of BB,


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#192027 - 01/29/13 12:42 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: LtKojak]
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You need to make MIDI Super Tracks with Drums too.

Are you listening, Peter?




No, Peter does not need to make any midi drum Super Tracks. Why you ask? Because the whole reason for Real Drums is it's a real player playing a real drum kit. A real player playing a midi drum kit is not even close to a RD track because you're hearing whatever midi drums your synth has. Look at what you're using as a synth now and hear what a midi drum track sounds like. A drum Super Track will sound exactly the same, true a Super Track may have better patterns or something but the actual sound quality itself? Whatever your synth's midi drum kit sounds like. Unless you're using one of the top line drum sound modules like EZDrums or Jamstix, midi drums all sound like crap. Some of the Sampletank midi kits sound pretty good but midi drums are nothing like hearing a real drummer playing on a real drum kit.

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#192028 - 01/29/13 03:04 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: jazzmammal]
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Quote:

You need to make MIDI Super Tracks with Drums too.

Are you listening, Peter?




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No, Peter does not need to make any midi drum Super Tracks




And who are YOU to say what Peter may or may not to do? What are you his agent or something?

And why the attitude?

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Why you ask?




Because I'd like to know. What is wrong with that, huh?

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Because the whole reason for Real Drums is it's a real player playing a real drum kit. A real player playing a midi drum kit is not even close to a RD track because you're hearing whatever midi drums your synth has. Look at what you're using as a synth now and hear what a midi drum track sounds like. A drum Super Track will sound exactly the same, true a Super Track may have better patterns or something but the actual sound quality itself?




So you don't approve PG Music make Super Midi tracks, I suppose? You must be very angry, as Peter did not ask for your permission to proceed, isn' it?

You should know that feature alone made me upgrade from v. 12.5 to v. 13.

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Whatever your synth's midi drum kit sounds like. Unless you're using one of the top line drum sound modules like EZDrums or Jamstix, midi drums all sound like crap.




You don't know who I am, or what I use, or what my needs are.

If you're not capable to make a midi drum track sound good, it doesn't mean others can't do it, Bob.

This lame post is based on the wrong assumption that everybody is like you and have the same needs.

Got news for you, Bob. I'm NOT like you at all!
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#192029 - 01/29/13 03:27 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: jazzmammal]
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but midi drums are nothing like hearing a real drummer playing on a real drum kit.

Bob




I will respectfully disagree with you here Bob. If you google midi groove clips you will find a number of excellent midi drum grooves that are played unquantized by real drummers on a midi drum set. Groove Monkee http://www.groovemonkee.com/en/ comes to mind to name one. These are not loops but actual midi recordings done live, much like RTs. Of course with Midi it is much easier to manipulate the drum parts not to mention that you can also put each drum on it’s own track and, depending on your sound source, it’s own midi channel.

I will agree that you do need a good sound source, not just for drums but for all instruments. GM doesn’t cut it.
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#192030 - 01/29/13 06:01 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: Mac]
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Don't know if there are any Drum Supertracks in our future, but we already have Live MIDI Drums in many of the MIDI styles. These were made using a live drummer playing a MIDI drumkit and, of course, recorded as MIDI and then placed into the Style.

--Mac




Read that again.

Now read this, taken from the BiaB FAQs:

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105. In the StyleMaker, what is the difference between a drum grid pattern and a live drum pattern?

There are two types of drum patterns - (1) patterns that you input into the drum grid editor, and (2) "live" drum patterns that are imported from MIDI files, usually after having been recorded using an external synth/drum machine.

Many of the newer Band-in-a-Box styles use live drum patterns, which are identified in the main StyleMaker window with a red outline around the pattern. To edit an existing live drum pattern, select the pattern and click on the Notation button to open the StyleMaker Pattern Editor. You will notice that each different MIDI note is for a different drum sound. Live drum patterns cannot be edited using the drum grid editor.

To record a new live drum pattern, you must first record the drums outside the StyleMaker. You can use either Band-in-a-Box or a MIDI sequencer such as PowerTracks Pro Audio. Save the recording as a MIDI file, then use the Pattern | Import Pattern from MIDI file command to import it into the StyleMaker.

Note that by default all drum patterns are 4 beat (1 bar) patterns but you can specify any live drum pattern to be an 8 beat (2 bar) pattern by checking the "2 bar pattern OK" box in the Pattern Options dialog.





Invoking a Style that uses MIDI Live Drums, we can utilize MIDI synths that tout great drum samples in them, some rivaling the sound of RealDtums.

Exporting the Live MIDI drum track to a fullblown sequencer, such as RealBand or Powertracks, we can even separate the drum intruments to different tracks and record a different sound to audio from each one. This can be really good to do for certain Rock, Latin and other genres where you wish to be able to both control the drumkit by the individual instrument, as well as the ability to apply audio effects to just one drum instrument, for example, the Kick.

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#192031 - 01/29/13 07:21 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: Mac]
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I agree with Mario as far as the good existing grooves in midi format out there. I have a few of those and using the right drum synth (i.e. EZDrummer for instance)makes the heck of a difference, they sound very natural and convincing, as they should, since they are recorded by actual drummers.
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#192032 - 01/29/13 08:02 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: cubanpete]
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Correction...EZDrummer is not a synth, I should have said "a VST" instrument. Do not want somebody confused.
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#192033 - 01/29/13 09:35 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Total Noob question: is it possible... [Re: cubanpete]
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