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#192514 - 01/29/13 06:04 PM [Off-Topic] PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice?
Paul Haynes Offline
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I've been asked to play my acoustic guitar with a friend who sings gospels songs at some nursing homes. I'm guessing the amount of people we would sing to would be between 12-20 people? I always like to bring a good sound to the mix and from that have bought BIAB of which I am very pleased. However, I've started to consider what speaker system I would need to be able to plug in my guiar, mic and iPod [BIAB backing tracks]? I don't have a big budget and dont want to get sucked into buying a full on PA which is overkill. I own an AER Acousticube which is a very good acoustic guitar and mic but not so good reproducing smooth low end bass notes from BIAB. Thing is I've been spoiled with my computer speaker system 2x B&W speakers + Rel Sub. The sound really rocks with the sub so I'm looking for a portable speaker system that can reproduce the nice low end bass notes that I've come to enjoy from my computer. Good bass makes all the difference I believe.

I've seen these Web Page but I'm not so sure they would do the bass any justice?

This option looks more plausible YouTube especially from 3min onward in the video.

Maybe I'm looking for the impossible but does this speaker system exist?


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#192515 - 01/29/13 06:15 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: Paul Haynes]
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BOSE L1

http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIE...stems/index.jsp

Great sound, fullrange, no monitors needed and nice and portable to boot. Matching Subwoofer available.

I love it.


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#192516 - 01/29/13 06:18 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: Mac]
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My Bose L1 also has the added advantage of the tiny footprint, I have found that too many speakers does not bode well at the retirement home. The support personnel will be telling you to turn it down before you turn it on if you go in there with boxes on stands, power amps and subwoofers. And it just isn't needed there.

The L1 will handle the venue you describe just fine.


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#192517 - 01/29/13 06:52 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: Mac]
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I bought a very inexpensive ($150) system from Behringer that I absolutely love for small venues like local dive bars with a small crowd. It is the EUROLIVE B205D Active 150-Watt PA/Monitor Speaker System and it mounts on your mic stand. Has two inputs that each accept XLR or 1/4" plug. It has input for your mp3 player, phantom power and a basic EQ.

It certainly won't compare with Mac's Bose L1 but it sounds pretty sweet for small venues and you can't beat the price!

And I just noticed they are replacing the 205 with a 207 which has a bit larger speaker, an additional mic input and a built-in mp3 player so you can play your recordings from a USB stick.

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#192518 - 01/29/13 06:52 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: Mac]
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Mac, which Bose L1 do you mean? There are three.
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#192519 - 01/29/13 07:40 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
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Quote:

I bought a very inexpensive ($150) system from Behringer that I absolutely love for small venues like local dive bars with a small crowd. It is the EUROLIVE B205D Active 150-Watt PA/Monitor Speaker System and it mounts on your mic stand. Has two inputs that each accept XLR or 1/4" plug. It has input for your mp3 player, phantom power and a basic EQ.

It certainly won't compare with Mac's Bose L1 but it sounds pretty sweet for small venues and you can't beat the price!

And I just noticed they are replacing the 205 with a 207 which has a bit larger speaker, an additional mic input and a built-in mp3 player so you can play your recordings from a USB stick.




I saw a bluegrass band last night and they used this cool little PA. The venue was very small, about the size of a McDonalds. They stayed 4 feet away from the mic, and you could still hear each performer singing. The instruments were acoustic, not amplified, so they just used it for vocals. They might not have needed a PA at all for this gig, but it was clearly capable of a lot more volume than they were requiring of it.

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#192520 - 01/29/13 08:11 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: Paul Haynes]
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Mac, which Bose L1 do you mean? There are three.




Well, you said you wanted a subwoofer, so that rules out choice number 1. BUT -- you very likely won't need the subwoofer. My suggestion is to see if you can audition one locally before purchase, take your laptop and BB with you, ask to plug it in. I don't use a subwoofer, didn't buy one, don't need it IMO. If, perhaps, you wanted to rock out, perhaps it would be apropos, but you mentioned retirement homes...

Numbers two and three come with the addon subwoofer.

For your stated purposes, and even much larger halls than that, you might consider choice 2, the one in the middle.

I'm not using the extra subwoofer with mine and it sounds just great with BiaB. People are always remarking on how good we sound. And the sound seems to come from everywhere, there are no hotspots and no dropout spots either. No separate monitor system, even in large venues, we hear exactly what they hear. And running it yourself onstage is easy peasy, literally a set and forget system.

In the retirement homes, I often elect not to put up the entire stack, as well. It isn't needed, is more unobtrusive in looks, but still fills the typical large drawing room or cafeterias found in those places.


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#192521 - 01/29/13 08:16 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: Paul Haynes]
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Behringer K3000FX Ultratone Keyboard Amplifier (300 Watts, 1x15")

I use this to amplify my keyboards, synths, guitars, Bass guitars, Roland 5080 and even a JAM MAN! looper.
The bass is gut wrenching on the drums and Bass guitar, and the vocals are crystal clear...

With 300 Watts of power, you'll never run out of horse power. The K3000FX 4-channel PA/keyboard amplifier enclosed in a bass reflex cabinet has a special, beefed up 15" Bugera woofer and a custom-made 1" tweeter, delivering clear, clean sound that's ideal for gigs, large or small... included in this great amp,an internal 24-bit digital FX processor with 100 awesome presets including reverb, chorus, flanger, delay, pitch shifter and various multi-effects. Our revolutionary FBQ Feedback Detection Enjoy full 4-channel stereo operation with separate volume and FX Send controls per channel, plus there is an additional XLR mic input on channel 1 for direct connection of dynamic microphones. Use the dedicated 7-band graphic EQ to give your sound your very own edge. I also have a Behringer Bass Amp which is plenty powerful. My Fender
KXR keyboard/PA is also a performer to reflect the quality of the BIAB/RB Programs PERFECTO!!

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#192522 - 01/29/13 08:23 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: GDaddy]
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Here's the reason why this old achin' back loves his Bose L-1:

One trip. Even with guitar bag over the other shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia-vbM4lwp0

And it fits in the trunk or on the backseat of my little Ford Taurus.

I've got a Roland stereo keyboard amp. Nice to have on the loud R&B/Bluesband gig, but a real backbreaker at the end of the night.

And to think that I used to lug a B3 around.

Maybe that's what's wrong with the back now?


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#192523 - 01/29/13 08:54 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: Mac]
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The B3 wears you down, than BAM the Leslie's throws the knockout punch!

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#192524 - 01/29/13 09:30 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: Paul Haynes]
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I have the l1 model 2 with a bass speaker and the little Mixer. I don't know about guitar pickups but an audix mic is suggested by many and I love mine. None of it is heavy, but I got 2 trolley dollies 2 wheel jobs that I pull in. The Bose has some magic inside and if Mac says its good it is. I think we ended up getting them close to the same time, he's always telling me what to do. I'm pretty deaf.
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#192525 - 01/29/13 10:52 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: Paul Haynes]
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I've played many nursing homes and retirement centers with the Behringer 205D monitor speakers (with BIAB and outboard mixer), and they work great. Small, light-weight and they get the job done. Even used them with a 4-piece group in a restaurant setting. No problem.

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#192526 - 01/29/13 11:29 PM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: J. Larry]
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I use a Yamaha stage pass for smaller venues. Very neat design. Two passive speakers with 6 channel mixer which fits onto the back of one of the speakers and the cables go in the back of the other. So all you carrying is two small speakers

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#192527 - 01/30/13 12:26 AM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: JoanneCooper]
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For the small venues like nursing homes I use Logitechs similar to these:

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-980-00040...rs+for+computer

Remember that in a nursing home you will not need great volume to compete with chatting, knife-and-fork noises and other audio interference. These have plenty of power for something the size of a large living room. They do something very nice with vocals, and handle the full range of Biab instruments cleanly and in stereo. The tweeters are small enough that I can usually place them in a way that makes them nearly invisible. The whole thing fits in one milk crate, including a mixer like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PYD6070-6-Cha...6+channel+mixer

(...many companies make mixers on this scale.)

Actually I use one of these for roll-in and roll-out:

http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Extendabl...=rolling+crate.

If you can afford the Bose, go get 'em. If not, try these. Try Craigslist while you are at it
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#192528 - 01/30/13 01:14 AM [Off-Topic] Re: PA Suggestions That Do BIAB Justice? [Re: Paul Haynes]
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I'm with Mac on this one...I've owned Bose L1 since 2005 (at that time there was only one option).

For nursing home/assisted living situations, the L1 compact is more than sufficient. The bass module is built into the unit and would suffice for your application. The other models have an option bass module which are a more powerful bass modules than the built in module in in the compact. But again, the L1 Compact would suffice for your application.

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