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#192952 - 02/04/13 10:35 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Revisit of the previous exchange between PG and Scott on the PG User Interface [Re: Joe V]
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If you can do that, Joe, it will truly change your approach to everything in a positive manner.

Thanks.


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#192953 - 02/04/13 11:22 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Revisit of the previous exchange between PG and Scott on the PG User Interface [Re: Joe V]
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To me, "The Turnpike Cruiser" was very Ford-like" of cars of that era. The body was very similar to the "Victoria" series, to my eye.

The BIAB GUI question comes up frequently and I, for one, say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" I have always been able to figure out where control buttons are and what function that they perform. QED.

I would rather see the wonderful and powerful new features rather than "eye candy" or cosmetic improvements.

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#192954 - 02/04/13 11:36 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Revisit of the previous exchange between PG and Scott on the PG User Interface [Re: Don Gaynor]
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I didn't want to see the interface change per se, but was hoping for a sort of app looking thing for a player. Once the chords are done, the input is done, and you have what you want as a finished product you can see each track, change their volumes etc, but it's not the developer mode.

In my Lightroom software you have different looks for different stages, as in import, develop, then to export, Print, etc. And assemble books, or as in develop sets.

That could be one improvement, drag and drop finished songs, each song having info such as tempo, style, time, and choruses, and drop them into 'groupings'. And being able to have the same song in different groups.

So when you just sit down to play along, practice a horn, your keys or whatever, you don't have immediate access to the whole interface, just the parts you are using.

Sort of a re-jig, and a streamlined way to use it as a player. Turn off and on redoing the thing.

My laptop, despite being pretty robust, can choke hard on playing tunes first time. And I am positive I have all the right settings, short of freezing all the tracks, which I didn't want to do. Maybe I'll just freeze the tracks but not the drums so at least that sounds different.

And the new O/S is built in a way to make finger tip input 'de-rigeur'. That's why the drag and drop, and finger mouse become more a part of the way things will be done.
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#192955 - 02/04/13 10:36 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Revisit of the previous exchange between PG and Scott on the PG User Interface [Re: John Conley]
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I didn't want to see the interface change per se, but was hoping for a sort of app looking thing for a player. Once the chords are done, the input is done, and you have what you want as a finished product you can see each track, change their volumes etc, but it's not the developer mode.

In my Lightroom software you have different looks for different stages, as in import, develop, then to export, Print, etc. And assemble books, or as in develop sets.

That could be one improvement, drag and drop finished songs, each song having info such as tempo, style, time, and choruses, and drop them into 'groupings'. And being able to have the same song in different groups.

So when you just sit down to play along, practice a horn, your keys or whatever, you don't have immediate access to the whole interface, just the parts you are using.

Sort of a re-jig, and a streamlined way to use it as a player. Turn off and on redoing the thing.

My laptop, despite being pretty robust, can choke hard on playing , first time.That's why the drag and drop, and finger mouse become more a part of the way things will be done.




That's a great idea John. For anyone familiar with Presonus Studio One Pro, the concept would be similar to the unique "Mastering" page they have included with their DAW. You can drag your previously mixed multitrack songs into the mastering page (where they automatically mix down to 2-tracks), arrange them in the order you want, apply mastering effects individually to each, then save as a project. You can even go back to the original multitrack song versions from the mastering page, remix, and the changes automatically update to the mastering project. I think that, with some variation, such as you suggested being able to use it as a "player", would be a great concept to develop for BIAB and (particularly) for RB.
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#192956 - 02/05/13 06:26 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Revisit of the previous exchange between PG and Scott on the PG User Interface [Re: multitracker]
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I never thought this thread would lead to the above suggestion by John, and I never imagined that type of GUI enhancement, but after hearing it, I can say I love the idea, and it would simplify some things that would make the program more usable for me too - at least given the way I personally use it. Thanks for sharing that John.

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#192957 - 02/05/13 11:19 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Revisit of the previous exchange between PG and Scott on the PG User Interface [Re: Joe V]
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I have another idea, and that is that PG could sell a stand alone midi music player. This would be a cross between a DAW and their current software, in that it's only purpose would be for a Midi o phile, to use the application to look at each track and set volumes etc. and then play the saved 'shell' using the plug ins and add ons to enhance it. Thus you could have one track that is piano and add reverb, tweak the volume, and then output this to your 'midi device', midi software such as Coyote Forte, or other.

Many are aware that I eschew Midi now in favour of ReatTracks, which fill my needs just fine, however I think PG has the engine that 'can'. (Not could). So with just a few tweaks this app could be made available in the app stores for 99 Cents, or 2.99 and millions would buy???

It shouldn't be 99cents in Canuckistan, we did away with pennies this month. No more 99 cent sales. All sales rounded down, or up. It's the LAW jack. It costed 1.5cents to make a penny. That was nuts. Even after they took out the copper. In my family we called them coppers when I was a kid anyway.

So what do you think. With a minor massage could Mr. Pgmusic make a wad of easy cash with a midi playing app??

And I've always wanted to see a way to do the volumes like in Avid software for video, where the volume is a line and you can click to add a node, and then another and drag the line up or down to make volumes change. You can put in a bunch to simulate a curve even. Really cool method of changing volumes and mixing tracks. So this is right on what is called the timeline. At bar 20 add a node, volume at 50, at bar 25 click and drag it down so there is a smooth decrease, then more nodes and you can bring it back up. I really liked this way of dealing with volumes.

Back to the original idea, that I have long exposed, is to just have a player. Like the little box we got for volumes and we can pop up to add effects etc, it would allow the other stuff go either be released from memory, or sit behind the player app. And I wonder once you assemble a SET, if using a player would not be more efficient. for if you invoke that and NOT the whole enchilada, you use far less memory and resources, and just have the stuff required to start...Playing. Sounds cool to me, but I have never been involved in this type of software development.

What I did though, you can see when you join the GoodLife Clubs in Canada, you check the bank and when the 'dues' came out, you can be sure I did that. Dumb me never asked for a penny a transaction, I sold that software for a pittance in 96. And the wife went with it as a bonus. Take my wife,....please.
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#192958 - 02/06/13 09:37 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Revisit of the previous exchange between PG and Scott on the PG User Interface [Re: John Conley]
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And I've always wanted to see a way to do the volumes like in Avid software for video, where the volume is a line and you can click to add a node, and then another and drag the line up or down to make volumes change. You can put in a bunch to simulate a curve even. Really cool method of changing volumes and mixing tracks. So this is right on what is called the timeline. At bar 20 add a node, volume at 50, at bar 25 click and drag it down so there is a smooth decrease, then more nodes and you can bring it back up. I really liked this way of dealing with volumes.




I like the node thing for changing volume also John. It would be a great addition to Realband.

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#192959 - 02/07/13 10:04 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Revisit of the previous exchange between PG and Scott on the PG User Interface [Re: multitracker]
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RealBand (and powertracks) can do drawn volume envelopes, unfortunately not directly over the audio graphic, though.

But we can draw Volume Envelopes by selecting CC7 or CC11 and draw them in with the mouse in a window slot that opens underneath the Audio or MIDI (pianoroll).


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