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#193750 - 02/08/13 12:18 PM [Off-Topic] Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50
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I've bought three sets of headphones so I can compared and keep one pair.

I've been quickly listening to a BIAB song I created and each headphone has a different tone which effect mixing. This is hard!

KRK8400 - Probably the most flat of them all. Adequate but not overpowering bass depending on what VRM speakers I select. Sounds more HiFi like but not quite as loud even on full volume, alittle distant from my ears in terms of sound projection, maybe because they sound slightly quieter?

Seinheiser HD280 - Is also quite flat with probably double the bass. The sound projection is louder and closer to my ears. Build quality feels the most plasticy but very good sound isolation.

Audio-Technica ATH-M50 - Has the most bass and don't seem so flat for mixing maybe? Feels very comfy and built well, looks cool also.

Question is how do I chose which headphones to keep because one would mix differently depending which headphones they listened too?
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#193751 - 02/08/13 12:42 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: Paul Haynes]
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I have and can vouch for the Sennheiser. I doubt that they have that much more bass; they're just lower impedance (64 ohms) and thus very efficient--read louder. They have the greatest passive isolation of any phones I've ever encountered, about 32 dB, which makes them great for tracking and transcription. (Yup, I use studio headphones in my day job.) They have replaced my beyerdynamics (see below) in the studio. They were chosen on the basis of user comments on the Propellerhead Reason forums and the advice of the gurus at Atlanta Pro Audio. Specifically, they're very flat, just don't have the extended frequency response as those below.

For about twice the price I'd say go for the beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro. I just retired my 16-year-old pair from studio service, but I still use them eight hours a day on the job. Accurate, comfortable, durable, and with about 21 dB of isolation. Not as efficient as the 280s, but tremendous power-handling capacity, which again translates as loud if you've got the gear to drive them.

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#193752 - 02/08/13 12:56 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: Ryszard]
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I like my Sennheisers. Excellent bass response.

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#193753 - 02/08/13 01:32 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Another member also purchased the ATH-M50.

Think they were exchanged for ATH-M40fs.

These were recommended by one of the advanced members
here.
Purchased them and have been very happy with them.
They are flat Studio headphones for mixing and mastering.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/97718-REG/Audio_Technica_ATH_M40.html

Don't have the long experience of many folks, but so happy with these.
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#193754 - 02/08/13 01:42 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: seeker]
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What advise would you give me when I turn the volume up on my headphones and find the bass is distoring? Is that a limitation of the headphones or simply I've got the bass too deep or too low and need to tweak? I ask this because Ive found swapping headphones to compare, some tracks seem to distort on some headphones more than others. It's hard to gauge whether its reaching the limitations of the headphone or not?
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#193755 - 02/08/13 02:06 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: Paul Haynes]
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Something that's remained unspoken: Cans are never as good as monitor speakers for mixing!

Perhaps your tracks were recorded too hot and the headphone's bass can't handle it. Maybe try backing off the bass a smidgen.

Headphones can be over-driven too.

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#193756 - 02/08/13 02:22 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: Don Gaynor]
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I have the Sennheiser 201. Excellent cans and not too much bass. I use them for my recording.
For general listening I prefer my Philips 5HP2500. Can't afford an expensive pair as they never seem to last with me. I find the Philips has a deeper tone with more bass then the Seinnheiser
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#193757 - 02/08/13 02:23 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: Paul Haynes]
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...I ask this because Ive found swapping headphones to compare, some tracks seem to distort on some headphones more than others. It's hard to gauge whether its reaching the limitations of the headphone or not?




If the same exact track is fine on one set of cans and distorts on the other without you changing anything other than the cans, it has GOT to be the particular set of headphones.


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#193758 - 02/08/13 04:12 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: Mac]
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I've always found this website to have excellent reviews of headphones: http://www.headphonereviews.org/


Edited by MountainSide (02/08/13 04:20 PM)
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#193759 - 02/08/13 05:03 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: Paul Haynes]
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I have Sennheiser HD 380 Pro headphones. Love 'em for all purposes. Later, Ray
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#193760 - 02/08/13 05:33 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: raymb1]
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Paul,

To maintain a repeatable semblance of sound level standardization I do the
following. Other than setting too hi, never ran into distortion of BASS.

1. Driving an external mixer from PC.
Set the PC level for good sound level and took note of its level.

2. Also took note of external Mixer level settings and always use it.

2a. Always use same Phone level output in the external mixer.
2b. Always use same Monitor speaker level output from external mixer
driving self-powered speakers.

3. Using RealBand with K-METER VST plugin.
Shoot for about -12db recording levels. Also have peak setting on.

At same time taking note RB meter levels at end of mixing.

4. Adjust the RB miser ALL level to MAX.
5. Adjust the Output insert level one to final level combination of
K-METER and RB meter.

Do all of the mix wearing the ATH-M40fs "cans".
Do a quick listen on the monitor speakers.

Then do a "semi-final "Rendering" of wav file.
Listen carefully on the cans then the monitors.

Some number of time have had to go back and set track balances a bit better.

Do try to balance the needed track levels
using Melody track as prime, the add drums, and bass.
then go back and set other support tracks against the Melody.
Usually set Solo if used same discerned level as Melody.
All of this done before VST's being added. Then adjust levels bit more.


Reading and listening to others, a lot of the mix is subjective to a point.
Have learned a lot from other folks mixes by listening, but still miles to go.


Edited by seeker (02/08/13 05:38 PM)
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#193761 - 02/08/13 07:21 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: seeker]
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It is usually much harder to learn how to get a good mix using headphones than it is using a good set of nearfield monitor speakers.


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#193762 - 02/08/13 09:55 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: Mac]
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Quote:

It is usually much harder to learn how to get a good mix using headphones than it is using a good set of nearfield monitor speakers.




That's what I find, too. Headphones are good for checking a mix but speakers are way better for mixing the final product.
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#193763 - 02/08/13 11:37 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: Noel96]
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I was the one who preferred the M40f/s over M50
I traded the more expensive M50 for a set of M40f/s on this very site.
Don't regret it.

My monitors give pretty good representation of bass for final decisions, and the 'extended bass' of of the M50 throws my mixes off. Could just be me.
But for a reference (one that translates) the M40f/s work better for me.
This is HIGHLY a personal preference.

Again, using trusted monitors for final decision is important, but having a set of headphones you 'know' and can easily adapt to is helpful also.
You don't know what works best for you until you try them.
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#193764 - 02/09/13 12:01 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Which Headphones, KRK8400, Seinheiser HD280 or Audio-Technica ATH-M50 [Re: rharv]
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I use the Audio-Technica ATH-M50's at Church as Monitors when I play guitar. I use some Sennheiser HD 380 PROs (they seem to cut out the live band enough to get a recording level)at Church when I record their band and podcast. At home I use some really cheap Sony MDR-XD200s just to see if the Bass is overwhelming and check panning.

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