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Time for an upgrade from my DVD player/CDs for live gig BIAB playback...what would be my best option these days?
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Time for an upgrade from my DVD player/CDs for live gig BIAB playback...what would be my best option these days?
If you only need a sound playback option, MP3 players are cheap and they hold WAYYY more songs than a CD.
And they're small enough that your main set of songs can fit in your right pocket while your backup set is in the left pocket.
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Most of the time now, I just use my iPhone.
Got to remember to put it in Airport Mode though...
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Matt, I am with you on this one. I am also just using my iPhone. Have even stopped taking a backup but I suppose I should, one of these days there is going to be a disaster but then I suppose it depends on what type of gig it is. If it were at my regular gig it would not be too much of a problem as I would just finish of with acoustic numbers (been done before!) I always make sure I have plenty of battery before I leave. I am finding it such a relief to not have my laptop anymore. Best regards
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Jo and Matt I also have used my iPhone and iPad to play backings but the hassle of iTunes and changing playlists makes me turn to Android rather. I have an Asus Transformer 10" tablet and a Samsung Galaxy Note II and it is a real pleasure to organise my mp3's on a micro SD card via an adaptor on my desktop machine or laptop using Windows Explorer. Once I have all the files I want, I simply reinsert the micro SD back into the ASUS or Samsung and I am good to go. I have all my CD's, old records and tapes backed up to 320bps MP3's on 1Tb and 2Tb hard disks. I regularly change files to play while on the move and I compile MP3's for Sunday worship lists using BIAB that change weekly. The Android openness makes the task a breeze by not having to rely on one program i.e. iTunes to get files onto the tablet. In fact it is not only music files that benefit but any MS office and pdf files that I may need to use while out of the office. With the low cost and high capacity of micro SD cards these days I can have a card for each project if I so wish. Kevin 
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Kevin - I had heard the sound from the Galaxy Note II is not great - is that true, even if you play it back through a great system (which I'm guessing is what you do ?).
I've been on a 'basic' phone for years because I'm too cheap to upgrade, and couldn't see the cost-benefit factor working out for me. Always-available internet was never something I needed, I much prefer my 24 inch monitor experience. However...I do have to take notes about the kids I work with, and I love the stylus and slightly larger size of the Note II, which just became available (or maybe, I only recently discovered it).
Can you say a little more about the sound out of the Note II, why you picked it, and what you like most about it ?
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You probably heard the Galaxy note's sound is not good from an iPhone fan spreading FUD! And... he probably never even listened to the output of one. I HAVE! I have played it through a 5kW system as well as my normal 500W speakers on a stick and I cannot fault the output in any way. I am not a devotee of either the iPhone or the Samsung Galaxy... or anything else for that matter! I use whatever is useful and performs the task at hand. Some software is only available for iPad such as Cubasis and Auria. Some of the softsynths like the Korg iMS20, iPolysix and iElectribe are good iOS synths and beat the Android offerings hands down. For me, playing back music files is better on the Android system using a file explorer like Antek Explorer which has its own built in player. Taking Word, Excel, PDF's and AutoCAD drawings out of the office and onto site is easier with Android. When I started with tablets I got the ASus 2nd hand for a great price and programs such as Chordbot were only available for the Android hardware. I can't fault either the iPhone, iPad, Asus Transformer or the Samsung Nexus Note II on sound quality. So really it's swings and roundabouts on both systems. Kevin
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+1 for your post. There are too many fanboys for one or the other platform, when both do a lot of the same things. Later, Ray
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I think a Samsung Galaxy Note II is very soon to become part of my hardware collection. Thanks for helping me with this decision Kevin : )
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Appreciate the responses, but I am looking for the simplest, least expensive product to play back MP3s - with a decent sized screen that I can actually read/scroll the song titles and obviously with decent quality... I am NOT interested in a phone... thanks.
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Pooch When you mention a decent sized screen you are definitely heading into iPod or a 5"/7" tablet. Lots to choose from, but if it were me I'd make sure it was running Android. The iPod is OK but again you have to live with iTunes. I had an iPod, ended up loading an Audio Bible on it and giving it to my mother. Kevin
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I sure would like to go to the convenience of the mp3 format. However, our group has stuck with the laptop, since all the soloists want to see the chord changes----especially on standards and jazz tunes.
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Laptop playing WAV files. You really can hear the difference between an MP3 and a WAV over a PA system.
And, the laptop is multi-functional (and relatively inexpensive these days).
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pooch,
Another factor in choosing your playback equipment is the type of gig you are playing. As if you are playing a 2-3 song set at an open mic I would set my criteria at #1. best sound quality and #2. lightest hardware to carry with ease of setup and take down.
The reasons I use laptops are the opposite as I will do anywhere from 20 - 50 songs on a gig. So for me to remember all the changes and arrangements, some as you know very intricate on some jazz tunes, with all the lyrics the laptop is a must. Besides the comfort zone of having everything printed out in front of you at all times there are the files containing hundreds of tunes that may not be on the play-list for that gig but because of a spur of the moment incident or a request could be plugged in rather quickly and may just be the song that puts your show over the top for that particular crowd.
OK, beside that I am a control freak on the gig.
I guess what you are getting here are all good options as each one works very well for the musician who are using them. With that said the same would have to happen for you, and that is personal choice.
Best of luck to ya, and break a leg!
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simplest, least expensive product to play back MP3s - with a decent sized screen
...quite often, you get what you pay for...
The advice for playing .wav over .mp3 for sound quality is good, sound (pun intended : ) advice.
But I think convenience is king, and carrying around the library in your pocket is really convenient. I would say your best bet for usability, quality, price, and small size would be the iPod touch - the more capacity the better (depending on your needs).
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/ipod_touch
But it is rather pricey - 299 to 399.
So - just for you, at no extra cost, I googled "best alternatives to iPod touch".
Here's one of the first hits:
http://www.t3.com/features/best-mp3-players-to-buy
There is plenty of advice on how to get a good mp3 player for less money.
As far as the best bang for the buck in the laptop or tablet world, I'm not sure, but would be interested in other peoples' hardware suggestions in that area.
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Appreciate the responses, but I am looking for the simplest, least expensive product to play back MP3s - with a decent sized screen that I can actually read/scroll the song titles and obviously with decent quality... I am NOT interested in a phone... thanks.
You have a lot of ways to go. I'm using an ASUS netbook. I already had it when I could no longer use my mp3 player. The sound output was not good at all until I added an ASUS xonar which plugs into usb and is about the size of a flash drive. Now I've got great sound. I'm using a flash player program called AIMP3. I like it because I can set it for single play. I like using playlists with it, too. My desktop is not wifi so I bought a transfer cable that has it's own software built into the cable. It shows all the files on both the host and remote cpu's. I think we paid $275 for the netbook with 325gb. I did upgrade to Windows home premium for $30. We also use the netbook for trips. Our current setup just sort of osmosed over time, but I wish we had it earlier. YMMV.
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You can play wav files on Android - iPhone too I think. Just that they obviously take up more space but if premium sound quality is needed then it's worth using more storage. That said most people could not tell the difference in a blindfold test between wav and 320kbps mp3's. Kevin
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I use a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7" tablet primarly for backing tracks when doing my music gigs...but it has a lot of great features for other uses too. It will play mp.3, WAV files,etc, also has Wi-Fi, camera, etc. There is a great backing tracks app availble at the Google Store...the app lets you load up a master file of tunes on your Tab 2 then create your own set lists (or play lists.) You control the start of the tune...the music will play and then stop at the end of the tune....this is a great feature for playing live gigs as most mp.3 players will just continue from track to track on their own...not good for a live music act. The Tab 2 is selling for $179 at the big box stores. I have been using mine for over 6 months.....no problems.
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I use a laptop. Why? I don't do set lists, and going from song to song on a laptop is quick. While I'm playing a song, I can reach over and type a few letters on the laptop, and it's ready for the next song.
Why don't I do set lists? I'm not clairvoyant. I have no idea what will be best for them 10 minutes from now. While I'm playing a song, I'm observing the audience and using my experience to guess at what would be the best song to play next. If they are on the dance floor to a fast one, but their faces look like they are tired, another fast one won't do as I'll lose them. Conversely if they are full of energy a slow one wouldn't be appropriate next.
Music is a dialog between the musician and the audience, not a monologue. (side note - why aren't the endings of dialog and monologue spelled the same?) I can go instantly from song to song when needed, and I can change my mind during the last few moments of the song I'm currently playing and still get to the next song instantly.
When people come up and tell me, "Thanks for a wonderful evening" I know I paced the crowd well.
Of course, as always YMMV - there is more than one right way to do this.
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I use a package called OnSong with my iPad2 which can also put out lyrics to the screen if you want; shows the chords and lyrics of course, and allows you to create "sets". You can also auto-pull back chords and lyrics from the web if you need a particular song. iTunes is useless. This package was created mainly for people playing in churches I think, and so created specifically for playing your backing tracks. It also always cues at 0 and and you have the option to stop and when it starts it starts automatically from 0 which is good. Loads of other stuff. The only thing I wish it included was EQ for individual songs, which would really polish it off, I've written to them about that. Here is a link http://www.onsongapp.com/perform/It also can be used with a foot pedal for starting and stopping songs which seems cool. Cheers Greg
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I've been using an iPad with the ForScore app for a couple of years now.
ForScore can display a fake book page with the audio file already attached. Two birds, one stone.
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iPads are very cool and all that but Pooh is talking about cheapest. $500-600 is not cheap. I keep looking at them, lots of friends have them and I think they are cool and pretty useful but every time I think about it I find something else more useful to me for that kind of money. $200 or so I would probably get one but not six.
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Just to give some perspective I'll describe my system that is on the other end of extreme.For me I not only want to sound like a band I want to feel like a band.
I use a laptop with RB. My tracks are then setup to go to an ESI Gigaport HD+ that is a USB 8 channel Playback interface. These 8 channels then go into a 16 channel Hardware mixer. I use a TC Helicon Harmony GXT for vocals into 2 more channels and finally play bass through a Tech 21 VT Bass pre into another channel.The output of the mixer then goes to a 31 band mono EQ. The output of the EQ to a BBE Sonic Maximiser.Then to an active xover. The Freq. above 100 Hz goes to a 1000 Watt Crown and out to a pair of 15"& horn tops. The freq below 100Hz goes to a 1500 watt Crown and out to a pair of 15" subs.
I have pre built everything so that setup is about 20 minutes.
I also have a pair of 10" subs and 10" + horn tops that I can use instead of the big speakers for smaller gigs. All else stays the same.
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John,
I believe that the TC Helicon Harmony GXT is designed to work from a guitar input. Does it work well with your bass signal for harmonies, or do you set the key manually?
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I believe that the TC Helicon Harmony GXT is designed to work from a guitar input. Does it work well with your bass signal for harmonies, or do you set the key manually?
Regards,
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I have built a style that is just piano playing chords in root position.I then convert this midi part into audio. This track is not routed through the ESI card but to the internal card in the lappy. The head phone out is fed to the GXT guitar in. Works real well.You never hear this part as I don't feed the guitar output of the GXT to anything.
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Interesting. Thanks. I'm toying with the idea of using a GXT for my wife's harmony vocals, but she plays bass. Might work better for us to take my guitar output to feed the GXT. And here I thought I had all the gear I would ever need!  Regards, Bob
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In my opinion, using a laptop opens more possibilities than other systems that do nothing but play a track.
The Laptop lets you play from a sequencing program. Sequencing programs (Like Power Tracks, Real Band, Sonar etc) usually have the ability to work with both audio and midi, and also offer more routing possibilities. Routing options can let you do things like send the bass track to a bass amp, guitar track to a guitar amp etc
The MIDI can be used to control devices such as lights, volume, effects, patch changes etc all without having to stomp on pedals or distract you in any way.
Midi driven devices also include vocal processors, which can let one performer sound like many by providing harmonies in real-time.
A sequencer also lets you keep your songs divided into separate tracks... so if a friend wants to sit in for a few songs or the whole gig, you can must the instrument he plays. Or, if you use the tracks to flesh out the sound of a whole band, and the keyboard guy gets sick or quits before a gig, you can turn that track back on and never miss a beat.
And as Notes Norton said, it gives you enhanced ability to change songs on the fly
With a laptop You can play from chord charts and keep the lyrics on screen
and many sequencers include a "juke box" feature that lets you set up play lists, and then it plays the songs in order. There are also USB foot pedals available for not much money that let you control the flow of the songs hands-free
And these days laptops are often less expensive than "pads&pods"... its a case of supply and demand. Now is a very good time to buy a laptop... you can get a lot of functionality for not much money
Anyway, these are the reasons why I opt to use a laptop.
But, as stated earlier.. if I only wanted to play a backing track, I'd definitely use an MP3 player of some kind.
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I am looking for the simplest, least expensive product to play back MP3s - with a decent sized screen that I can actually read/scroll the song titles and obviously with decent quality... I am NOT interested in a phone... thanks.
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Pat, Notes and others make some excellent points for using a laptop. In fact in an earlier post,. I also extolled the laptop/netbook virtues. However, recently I've had problems with it. Initially, I thought it was the mp3 software player that I was using so I switched to Windows media player. It does the same thing with wmp also--sort of like some buffering process like when you send something to the printer.
The problem is this.....When I push play for the 1st song, it doesn't play and the little circle just keeps spinning. This only happens with the first song. I use playlists for the types of gigs we do. So far, the only way I've found to combat this is to get everything setup and then put the netbook to sleep. I wake it up when we get to the gig. I've had this happen twice and the last time was with an audience of a couple hundred people. Well, that's pretty embarrassing. I'm going to check and see if the same thing happens if I don't load up a player pgm and just double click on a tune in a folder instead. In the mean time, I've ordered a little Phillips mp3 player to use as a backup. There's really no time to futz with this kind of stuff in the middle of a church service. The sound quality is fine. I only use single play. My ears are wide open to suggestions. Oh yeah, I also have a Nexus 10 that I haven't tried for gigs since I'm not certain of it's reliability.
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I tried to find a standalone mp3 player that would do single play, but after hours of searching, they no longer seem to be produced.
Bob (Notes) way is the best and most practical for the types of gigs we do. We don't have any gigs where we play more than 18- 20 songs so we just have those songs in a folder in the order that we want to play them. To do this, we number the songs ( 01, 02, etc..). We use Win Media Player. With the folder open we just double click on a song. I use the mouse pad to go to the next song. We talk to the audience in between songs except at church.
I took most of the programs off of our ASUS Eee netbook. The wifi is set for manual connect only. I upgraded to a usb external sound card -- Creative Soundblaster THX which comes with a volume control and remote. The sound now is pretty good compared to no sound card which is terrible. Lots of good reviews on the THX which was only $56 on Amazon.
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"...but I am looking for the simplest, least expensive product to play back MP3s - with a decent sized screen that I can actually read/scroll the song titles and obviously with decent quality... I am NOT interested in a phone... thanks." Laptop/Windows Media Player/MiniLyrics. Works great. Here's the link for MiniLyrics: http://www.crintsoft.com/ Free. Can't get much cheaper than that. Regards, Bob
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I'm wood shedding now getting rid of the rust. I should be ready in a month or two for some guitar trio gigs with biab holding down the bass & drums & yours truly on the guitar.
I'm thinking of a lappie with biab & usb output. I think I'll run my guitar into a pod. I kind of like the thing.
For a portable PA rig I'm thinking of something like the Fender Passport 500 Portable PA.
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The Fender Passport is a toy. Better a small mixer and a pair of powered speakers on sticks.
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The Fender Passport is a toy. Better a small mixer and a pair of powered speakers on sticks. 90 DB is right on track with his advice. I LOVE my 15" Mackie Thumps fed via laptop headphone/RCA jacks through a small mixer. Break A Leg! Later,
Last edited by Danny C.; 06/12/13 12:32 PM. Reason: added info
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Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
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