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Hi. New member, old guy. I have been on this forum some years ago, when I got my first BIB, but I have been overwhelmed with the work of building a house and farm, so I had to back away from the learning curve.

Having been a musician since I was a child, I have managed to acquire some knowledge and understanding.

I tell you all this, because I do not want to waste the valuable time of members, trying to figure out what I need to resolve my problems.

A number of unresolved issues first:

1. Missing bass notes in REAL TRACKS, (reported to PG), they appear in the dots, but are absent in sound?
2. A click and jump, like a fault on a vinyl record track, on my DELL laptop whilst playing music and BIB. Local computer buffs just scratch their heads!

In my previous membership to this forum, Some kind member suggested that I review my study of music on the guitar, to include a numerical system based on scale numbers as per the Jaco Pastorius tutor, giving me a better view of scale and jazz patterns. I am well advanced (by my standards) now, and looking for already transcribed solos to advance my study. Are there any recommendations?

My final query in this thread is, what scope is there for using my laptop to drive my guitar with? I do have GARRITAN but so far, I am unable get this to work. PG sent me a document indicating the limitations of using this with the package that I have WINDOWS XP 2000 AND BIB 2012. Any help would be helpful.

In connection with this last problem, can AMPLITUBE AND GARRITAN be used in ’real time’ and not just in recording.

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Cy,

Welcome back to BIAB and to the forums! I don't have the answer to many of your questions, but someone will, so hang on.

AFAIK you should be able to use Amplitube in realtime, given that your PC is up to it. Those clicks and pops you mention bother me. There is a free benchmark you can download and run to see how much moxie your PC has. Go to http://www.primatelabs.com/geekbench/

I'm not clear on your question about using Garritan in RT, though. You make an earlier reference to "driving your guitar with the computer." Do you mean using your guitar as a controller? If so, you would need a pitch-to-MIDI converter such as a Roland GI-20 or equivalent plus a Roland GK-type pickup. As I said, though, I may just not be understanding what you're asking.

You're asking some great questions and you're obviously in a great place to take the answers and run with it. We look forward to seeing you grow with this thing.

HTH,

Richard


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Hi Cy,

Can you please give us a little information about your computer - what processor speed, how much RAM?

Also, when using BIAB do you have the audio driver set to MME? Some people experience pops and crackles if the audio driver is running using ASIO.

Regards,
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Cy O'Hara #202150 05/03/13 04:12 PM
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Yes, welcome back.

My thought about the "click and jump" was the same as Noel and Richard's. Run Geekbench and report back, along with info about your computer. Also tell us what you selected for MIDI output and whether or not DXi is checked. Do you use a wireless router?

About the other issues, I recommend starting a separate post for each. They sound unrelated to me, and will be easier to address separately.





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Thanks for that Richard, it is much appreciated. I have done my leg in, with an angle grinder, so I may not be able to get back to you as soon as I would wish.
Many thanks,
Cy

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Thanks Matt and Noel. Doing that as we wait.
Kind regards,
Cy

Matt Finley #202178 05/04/13 12:24 AM
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Gosh, I hope all this makes sense to you all, and it is so quick!
Many thanks,
Cy
Dell Inc. MM061
Section Description Score Geekbench Score
Geekbench 2.4.3 Tryout for Windows x86 (32-bit)
Integer Processor integer performance 2047 1730
Floating Point Processor floating point performance 1852
Memory Memory performance 1154
Stream Memory bandwidth performance 1347
Result Information
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System Information
Dell Inc. MM061
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (32-bit)
Model Dell Inc. MM061
Processor Intel Pentium T2080 @ 3.76 GHz
1 processor
Processor ID GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 14 Stepping 12
Processor Codename Yonah
Processor Package Socket 479 mPGA
L1 Instruction Cache 32 KB x 2
L1 Data Cache 32 KB x 2
L2 Cache 1024 KB
L3 Cache 0 KB
Motherboard Dell Inc. 0KD882
Northbridge Intel i945GM 03
Southbridge Intel 82801GHM (ICH7-M/U) A1
BIOS Dell Inc. A17
Memory 1024 MB DDR2 SDRAM 578MHz
Integer Performance
Integer 2047
Blowfish
single-core scalar 972
42.7 MB/sec

Blowfish
multi-core scalar 2008
82.3 MB/sec

Text Compress
single-core scalar 1390
4.45 MB/sec

Text Compress
multi-core scalar 2470
8.10 MB/sec

Text Decompress
single-core scalar 1455
5.98 MB/sec

Text Decompress
multi-core scalar 2909
11.6 MB/sec

Image Compress
single-core scalar 1390
11.5 Mpixels/sec

Image Compress
multi-core scalar 2657
22.4 Mpixels/sec

Image Decompress
single-core scalar 1304
21.9 Mpixels/sec

Image Decompress
multi-core scalar 2524
41.2 Mpixels/sec

Lua
single-core scalar 2173
837 Knodes/sec

Lua
multi-core scalar 3319
1.28 Mnodes/sec

Floating Point Performance
Floating Point 1852
Mandelbrot
single-core scalar 1158
770 Mflops

Mandelbrot
multi-core scalar 2311
1.51 Gflops

Dot Product
single-core scalar 889
430 Mflops

Dot Product
multi-core scalar 1794
818 Mflops

Dot Product
single-core vector 2001
2.40 Gflops

Dot Product
multi-core vector 4131
4.30 Gflops

LU Decomposition
single-core scalar 749
667 Mflops

LU Decomposition
multi-core scalar 672
590 Mflops

Primality Test
single-core scalar 1935
289 Mflops

Primality Test
multi-core scalar 2841
527 Mflops

Sharpen Image
single-core scalar 768
1.79 Mpixels/sec

Sharpen Image
multi-core scalar 1513
3.49 Mpixels/sec

Blur Image
single-core scalar 1753
1.39 Mpixels/sec

Blur Image
multi-core scalar 3424
2.69 Mpixels/sec

Memory Performance
Memory 1154
Read Sequential
single-core scalar 1808
2.21 GB/sec

Write Sequential
single-core scalar 1661
1.14 GB/sec

Stdlib Allocate
single-core scalar 874
3.26 Mallocs/sec

Stdlib Write
single-core scalar 556
1.15 GB/sec

Stdlib Copy
single-core scalar 872
921 MB/sec

Stream Performance
Stream 1347
Stream Copy
single-core scalar 1294
1.77 GB/sec

Stream Copy
single-core vector 1385
1.80 GB/sec

Stream Scale
single-core scalar 1367
1.77 GB/sec

Stream Scale
single-core vector 1337
1.81 GB/sec

Stream Add
single-core scalar 1332
2.01 GB/sec

Stream Add
single-core vector 1524
2.12 GB/sec

Stream Triad
single-core scalar 1433
1.98 GB/sec

Stream Triad
single-core vector 1111
2.08 GB/sec

Cy O'Hara #202179 05/04/13 12:26 AM
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Is this what you needed? Is the REPLY PAGE large enough to include all that I have pasted?
Cy

Cy O'Hara #202180 05/04/13 12:35 AM
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G'day Cy,
I haven't had a very close look, but I'd take it up to 4GB of RAM if you can find some that will fit...

The 1GB you have is not even in the race as far as performance is concerned.


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"what you selected for MIDI output" = Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth
"DXi is checked" = yes

Is this also what you need?
Cy

Lawrie #202182 05/04/13 12:39 AM
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Good start Lawrie,

On my shopping list.

Cy

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Originally Posted By: Ryszard
Cy,

Welcome back to BIAB and to the forums! I don't have the answer to many of your questions, but someone will, so hang on.

AFAIK you should be able to use Amplitube in realtime, given that your PC is up to it. Those clicks and pops you mention bother me. There is a free benchmark you can download and run to see how much moxie your PC has. Go to http://www.primatelabs.com/geekbench/

I'm not clear on your question about using Garritan in RT, though. You make an earlier reference to "driving your guitar with the computer." Do you mean using your guitar as a controller? If so, you would need a pitch-to-MIDI converter such as a Roland GI-20 or equivalent plus a Roland GK-type pickup. As I said, though, I may just not be understanding what you're asking.

You're asking some great questions and you're obviously in a great place to take the answers and run with it. We look forward to seeing you grow with this thing.

HTH,

Richard


Yes, a pitch to midi converter sounds like the problem solver. Its on my shopping list, many thanks.
Cy

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Hoping I have understood the question you asked.
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I'm with Lawrie.
With one change.

You seem to have a fast processor and fairly low RAM. This means the processor is waiting for the drive more often which MAY be the sound glitch.

However in 32 bit XP I think you max out at 2 GIG of (usable) RAM.
Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while.
[edit]From MS - The virtual address space of processes and applications is still limited to 2 GB unless the /3GB switch is used in the Boot.ini file.
source- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg487508.aspx [/edit]

Your processor/RAM combo is like having a corvette but only driving it around the block; it needs more room to really show its stuff!

That said, have you considered a newer PC or Operating System? XP stops support in 9 months I think. It's getting old.

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http://arcellussykesmusic.com/index.php?/transcriptions/

This site has a lot of transcriptions. Later, Ray


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I see you are already in good hands re: your questions, so all I'll add is welcome back.

Later,

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The processor is an Intel Pentium, and although it's running 'fast', the processor and especially the low RAM yield a marginal Geekbench score for BIAB 2013. Adding another gig of RAM may not be enough to make this old PC work well enough.

There are a few settings in Opt., Preferences, RealTracks that would be appropriate for this slower PC. I'm not at a computer now; could someone list those for the OP please?


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I believe it's called Fast Generation of Realtracks that may help if disabled.


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To answer the small question rharv, Windows XP 32 bit maximum install of RAM is 4GB, however Windows actually only uses roughly 3.5GB of that.
Bearing that in mind I see no real point in installing more than 3GB in total.

I also will rub in the point that a new computer is actually the better bet as XP is rapidly approaching its end, and though even now getting hard to get I would stay with a Windows 7 64bit machine.
Windows 8 is such a major learning curve and as yet not sure if BIAB is fully supported, Peter Gannon will know more about that of course.

Whichever you finally do go for and sure as eggs is eggs you will eventually need to, I will recommend a computer with at least a quad core processor, enough space for extra RAM if it comes with anything less than 2GB and a decent sized and fast running hard drive. A hard drive that is a SSD even better.

However all of that depends on finances, I am sure the good folks here can point in the right direction depending on what you can afford.

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Suggestions for running Band in a Box, Realtracks, etc. with single Pentium XP computer:

While support for XP will indeed be going away, you still should be able to get BB up and running flawlessly with the system you have without resorting to spending money on it.

I have experimented quite a lot with XP and single processors during beta testing of Band in a Box thru the years, matter of fact I intentionally used an XP laptop for the last beta testing session, BB2013.

**1 gig of ram is barely enough for these purposes, I prefer 2g with XP, but have also intentionally removed 1g and ascertained that it can work with Band in a Box. Caveat here is that the machine loses resources during longer editing sessions and even when just playing back songs that contain Realtracks in a row. So I do recommend the 2g ram here. Without it, you can simply run BB until droputs start to happen and then close down BB, REBOOT the machine to get lost resources back, open BB and continue.

**With "only" the 1g of ram available, it is important to take good care of your hard disk because there will likely be more Disk Swapping necessary as your ram fills up.

**DEFRAG the hard drive. This is best done IMO using the free downloadable "Defraggler" program rather than the included Microsoft Defragmenter.

**Set the Hard Drive's Disk Swap utility from the Control Panel -> System ->HARDWARE etc. manually. Set it to twice the installed ramsize. For 1g of physical ram, that would mean setting the Disk Swap to be able to use 2048. Don't accept the "let windows handle" automated dealie, they have no idea the kind of streaming we need to do, they are thinking "burst" rates.

Defragging the disk is likely going to be your most important thing to do in order to get BB to play properly.


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