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#211396 - 08/05/13 06:43 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: av84fun]
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Another question:
If they take so long (for whatever reason) to issues the 13.5, how can we be sure to have the 14 under the x-mas tree?


Edited by smallchamer (08/05/13 06:43 AM)

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#211401 - 08/05/13 07:36 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: Pat Marr]
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They should have it like if someone bought it, they get to free upgrade to .5 within 1 mth. Rather than having people rage only to realize the newer version released few days after that.

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#211404 - 08/05/13 07:49 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: FusRoDah]
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Originally Posted By: FusRoDah
They should have it like if someone bought it, they get to free upgrade to .5 within 1 mth. Rather than having people rage only to realize the newer version released few days after that.


That's the way it already works.
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#211409 - 08/05/13 08:20 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: Kemmrich]
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Originally Posted By: Kemmrich
Originally Posted By: FusRoDah
They should have it like if someone bought it, they get to free upgrade to .5 within 1 mth. Rather than having people rage only to realize the newer version released few days after that.


That's the way it already works.


Ah really?! So if I bought it now, if it get released within 1 month I get a free upgrade?
I was withholding it for so long!
Thanks for the info!

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#211410 - 08/05/13 09:01 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: av84fun]
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Originally Posted By: av84fun
Originally Posted By: musiclover
The more I think about all the secrecy surrounding whether or not there will be a mid year release and the beta testers vow to silence, the more I feel the users are being treated like a bunch of kids.

You know when you have a bag full of candy or sweets as we call them in UK and you don't want the kid to eat the lot, you sneak and hide not letting him know how many are left.

Or whether you have any sweets in your pocket at all!!

Musiclover


With respect, I couldn't disagree with you more about us users being "treated like children."

There is ZERO doubt that PG and its beta testers are all working has hard as they possibly can to launch a new version.

The fact that a release has not been announced has nothing to do with treating us like children but rather....quite obviously...that it isn't READY YET! If it WAS ready, it would be released.

The vast majority of the BIAB user community would...I suspect...much prefer to wait until PG's legendary record of releasing versions with VERY few bugs (and which are corrected in near-world record time) than to have them shove a product out the door riddled with issues like SO many other developers such as Microsoft, for example, are infamous for doing.

So, there is no "secrecy" involved. Merely the self-evident fact that when PG KNOWS that the new version is READY, it will be released...and not before.

That's a totally GROWN UP way of doing business IMHO.

Regards,

Jim


With due respect to you Jim I disagree.

If you have been reading the thread you would realise that as far as the users are concerned we don't even know if there is going to be a .8 release (though there probably will be) but it’s a kind of game to keep us all guessing in my opinion.

I prefer more openness, it’s not hard for a company to tell their users whether or not there will be a mid year update so that the users can plan their finances accordingly if intending to buy.

And taking the average age of the biab user it’s not doing their health any good all the anticipation waiting on a product that may or may not appear.

I'm sure a lot switch on their computers every morning heart pounding sweat dropping of the forehead, straight to the pg page "is .5 here yet no no no ! I can’t stand the pressure"

smile

musiclover


Edited by musiclover (08/05/13 09:06 AM)
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#211420 - 08/05/13 10:20 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: musiclover]
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I think the main frustration here is not actually knowing if there is a 2013.5 or not.

We all wait patiently, and expect that it will arrive any day soon. And the Anticipation turns to anxiety, and ultimately disappointment. And all the while we still don't actually know will there be a .5 or not.

I respect that PG Music don't provide any new release unless they have thoroughly tested the robustness.

But from a user's perspective, they really do need to know if there is actually anything going to be released. At least knowing that would eliminate the uncertainty, and disappointment when the expectation doesn't materialize.

Previously I think I have upgraded at every release. But I won't be this year. I need a little more certainty, and a little less anticipation.

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#211427 - 08/05/13 11:14 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: Pat Marr]
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Anxiety?

wow.
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#211432 - 08/05/13 12:04 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: Mac]
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Originally Posted By: Mac
Anxiety?

wow.



I think that Mac's two word reply, the ole veteran beta tester has just confirmed that to fret no more 13.8 is on its way!!

smile

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#211450 - 08/05/13 02:54 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: musiclover]
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Originally Posted By: musiclover
Originally Posted By: Mac
Anxiety?

wow.



I think that Mac's two word reply, the ole veteran beta tester has just confirmed that to fret no more 13.8 is on its way!!

smile

Musiclover


Again, I respectfully disagree. Mac can clear this up if he chooses but my take was that he meant "WOW...isn't it a little over the top for folks to get into a state of "anxiety" over the timing of a mid-year upgrade to a music creation program"?

Mac...you wanna chime in???

(-:

Jim

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#211460 - 08/05/13 06:11 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: av84fun]
musiclover Offline
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Originally Posted By: av84fun
Originally Posted By: musiclover
Originally Posted By: Mac
Anxiety?

wow.



I think that Mac's two word reply, the ole veteran beta tester has just confirmed that to fret no more 13.8 is on its way!!

smile

Musiclover


Again, I respectfully disagree. Mac can clear this up if he chooses but my take was that he meant "WOW...isn't it a little over the top for folks to get into a state of "anxiety" over the timing of a mid-year upgrade to a music creation program"?

Mac...you wanna chime in???

(-:

Jim


Its meant as a joke Jim and also as a compliment to Mac on all the years of help he has given to beta testing and the users on here.

lighten up ole fella or do you respectfully disagree with that as well!

smile

Musiclover


Edited by musiclover (08/05/13 06:13 PM)
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#211464 - 08/05/13 07:10 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: musiclover]
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Originally Posted By: musiclover
The more I think about all the secrecy surrounding whether or not there will be a mid year release and the beta testers vow to silence, the more I feel the users are being treated like a bunch of kids.

You know when you have a bag full of candy or sweets as we call them in UK and you don't want the kid to eat the lot, you sneak and hide not letting him know how many are left.

Or whether you have any sweets in your pocket at all!!

Musiclover


In all do respect I had a similar thought and taking into consideration most of these post are done so with tongue firmly planted in cheek, I can't help but feel it is "we" forum members who are "acting" like children. Maybe just "one" man's opinion.

Later,


Edited by Danny C. (08/05/13 07:37 PM)
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#211466 - 08/05/13 08:13 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: Mac]
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Originally Posted By: Mac
Anxiety?

wow.


Hi Mac, please read this post

Yes, it seems anxiety, (as in to be anxious) is definitely in order for some folks...

Synonyms: Uneasy, Worried, Restless. With respect, I think the word fits OK. Thanks for commenting though.
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#211481 - 08/05/13 11:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: musiclover]
av84fun Offline
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Originally Posted By: musiclover
Originally Posted By: av84fun
Originally Posted By: musiclover
Originally Posted By: Mac
Anxiety?

wow.



I think that Mac's two word reply, the ole veteran beta tester has just confirmed that to fret no more 13.8 is on its way!!

smile

Musiclover


Again, I respectfully disagree. Mac can clear this up if he chooses but my take was that he meant "WOW...isn't it a little over the top for folks to get into a state of "anxiety" over the timing of a mid-year upgrade to a music creation program"?

Mac...you wanna chime in???

(-:

Jim


Its meant as a joke Jim and also as a compliment to Mac on all the years of help he has given to beta testing and the users on here.

lighten up ole fella or do you respectfully disagree with that as well!

smile

Musiclover


I'm as light as I need to be pardner. I can't expect to discern humor when there in none apparent.

(-:

Jim

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#211482 - 08/06/13 01:08 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: Pat Marr]
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My only sense of "loss" is that we will only get an additional 100 styles now in 2013.
Getting 200 a year was my incentive for the upgrades.

On the other hand ... If it was mostly additional styles it would have been out? So maybe they are doing the 64 bit which would be MAJOR and maybe need more development and testing than usual...even an interface redevlopment?
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#211524 - 08/06/13 01:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: CountryTrash]
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Originally Posted By: CountryTrash
So maybe they are doing the 64 bit which would be MAJOR and maybe need more development and testing than usual...even an interface redevlopment?


64 bit would definitely be worth waiting until December

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#211526 - 08/06/13 01:55 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: Pat Marr]
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For me, buying the 20xx.5 release is all about opportunity costs. The release alwas seems to have something great, like some style that I suddenly can't live without. smile

Then again, like most people, I'm on a limited budget. So if some other time-limited offer comes up (I'm looking at a couple), I need to choose between that and holding on to the money for the BIAB upgrade.

With no features listed, it's a tough call. I understand that PG doesn't want to list features that might not make it through testing, and that it takes time to ramp up for the release (manufacture product, create web pages, etc).

I'm certainly not in a position to suggest how things should be done, and I'm sure I don't know half the realities of business that have to be dealt with.

But for me, the lack of information tips the balance against a 20xx.5 upgrade when push comes to shove.

Which is too bad (for me), because I know it's going to be something cool... when it finally does come out.
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#211547 - 08/06/13 05:28 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: Pat Marr]
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"Past performance is no guarantee of future results".

Where is it written that there will be a .5 release? I hate to say never but companies never tell people ahead of time that they're working on a new version of something much less any detail like "we're working on adding this brand new "---", you're all gonna love it."

Alright, almost never.

I think it's unlikely but there's no guarantee there will even be a new 2014 version. For all we know we may be waiting for a early 2015 version in the fall of next year like new cars.

Relax folks, have fun with what you've got and we'll all know about new versions when they show up on the homepage.

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#211742 - 08/09/13 12:21 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: Pat Marr]
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Would beg to differ with you there Bob.

Its the users that keep a company in business and if they feel totally left out in the wilderness about what is happening it can go as far as creating a sort of ill-feeling that they are being treated less than the way they expect to.

Doesn't matter if its the policy of most companies to do that or not, its not the right thing to do, as its the users hard earned cash that keep any company in business.

I had no intention of buying the .5 version anyway, for me the wait to early or mid December is only a short period of time, but a lot of other people on here would have bought and I can sense their disappointment in not having a clue what's happening.

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#211789 - 08/09/13 09:37 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: musiclover]
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Originally Posted By: musiclover

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but a lot of other people on here would have bought and I can sense their disappointment in not having a clue what's happening.

Musiclover

Hi Musiclover, this is my point exactly. We all recognize the company has no mandatory obligation to provide any new version, but because of many past releases there is a demonstrated "reasonable" expectation that this might occur.

The uncertainty of whether this will materialize is my concern too.

The company could just make an announcement "sorry folks, don't expect a 0.5 release this year" or "we're still working on our 0.5" etc.

Regards

Trevor
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#211795 - 08/09/13 11:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: 2013.5 [Re: Pat Marr]
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Well, for me, I can wait. I've switched to gigging with an arranger keyboard more than BIAB---even tho' I love the 2013 BIAB model.

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